Red Sox: Off Season '23-'24

[Bellhorn04]

Of course they just dealt away a healthy and cheaper Schreiber yesterday…

 

Hendriks is better no?

[mvp 78]

At this point, I'd consider trading any reliever for starting pitching prospects. Like others here have said, it doesn't matter if you have a good bullpen, if your starters can't hold any leads.

 

Hell yes.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Red Sox sign Liam Hendriks 2 years/$10 million. He'll be back this year some time after ASB.

 

... once the top free agent closer I rooted for the Sox to sign in January '21 -- but my message got lost in dalmatian and intercepted by the WHITE Sox. Wonder how that '21 postseason would've gone if Bloom paid up for Liam...

 

So... does this make it easier to deal Jansen now -- or then?

[mvp 78]

Hendriks is better no?

 

Notin is worried about the extra money that Henry would have to spend for a guy that could actually have talent.

[Bellhorn04]

At this point, I'd consider trading any reliever for starting pitching prospects. Like others here have said, it doesn't matter if you have a good bullpen, if your starters can't hold any leads.

 

Conversely, it doesn't much matter if you have a good rotation if they're backed up by a pigpen.

[mvp 78]

... once the top free agent closer I rooted for the Sox to sign in January '21 -- but my message got lost in dalmatian and intercepted by the WHITE Sox. Wonder how that '21 postseason would've gone if Bloom paid up for Liam...

 

So... does this make it easier to deal Jansen now -- or then?

 

Jansen is currently on the shelf. They'll trade him at some point most likely. Hendriks would take over at closer when he's ready. If they are really going to compete next year (yeah right) they'd at least have a potential closer in place.

[mvp 78]

Conversely, it doesn't much matter if you have a good rotation if they're backed up by a pigpen.

 

We'll see how much Dombrowski Crag has in him. Oink oink.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Conversely, it doesn't much matter if you have a good rotation if they're backed up by a pigpen.

 

With Charlie Brown as acting CBO, starting himself on the mound, and playing his dog at shortstop.

 

At least they try. But there's nowhere on the diamond for a football puller like Lucy.

[notin]

Notin is worried about the extra money that Henry would have to spend for a guy that could actually have talent.

 

Notin didn’t think Henry will spend that money. Does mvp think he will now all of the sudden?

[notin]

Hendriks is better no?

 

He was. What is he like now?

 

And Schreiber wasn’t bad. He’s didn’t match his 2022 njj u miners but he still pitched well despite some injuries.

 

No one has any idea what Hendriks has going forward…

[mvp 78]

Notin didn’t think Henry will spend that money. Does mvp think he will now all of the sudden?

 

No, but why are you worried about the Sox giving a bigger paycheck to Hendriks? If it's a swap of Schreiber for 1.5 years of Hendriks, I'm fine with it.

 

I've seen enough relievers pop for one year to know when to cut bait on a guy like Schreiber.

[notin]

No, but why are you worried about the Sox giving a bigger paycheck to Hendriks? If it's a swap of Schreiber for 1.5 years of Hendriks, I'm fine with it.

 

I've seen enough relievers pop for one year to know when to cut bait on a guy like Schreiber.

 

 

That the Sox are dealing healthy arms for question marks on the IL all but makes it official they have given up on 2024.

 

I also think you’ve seen enough of these injury recovery contracts to know they don’t pan out at a very high rate…

[Bellhorn04]

And Jansen's $16 million will be gone by 2025 if not sooner.

[mvp 78]

He was. What is he like now?

 

And Schreiber wasn’t bad. He’s didn’t match his 2022 njj u miners but he still pitched well despite some injuries.

 

No one has any idea what Hendriks has going forward…

 

What is Schreiber like going forward?

 

All below 50th percentile:

 

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Whiff %

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xERA 51st

GB % 54th

 

He's an average reliever?

[mvp 78]

That the Sox are dealing healthy arms for question marks on the IL all but makes it official they have given up on 2024.

 

I also think you’ve seen enough of these injury recovery contracts to know they don’t pan out at a very high rate…

 

It was already obvious they've given up on this year and that next year is built on wishful thinking.

 

Will this work out? Who knows! At least it's a guy with a good backstory rather than boring, average, low ceiling John Schreiber.

[Bellhorn04]

That the Sox are dealing healthy arms for question marks on the IL all but makes it official they have given up on 2024.

 

Breslow's recent moves don't really say that IMO, because he's added some bullpen arms too (Campbell, Weissert, Luetge).

 

I think this offseason's plan will become official when JM signs with us or not.

[notin]

What is Schreiber like going forward?

 

All below 50th percentile:

 

Av Exit Velo

Chase %

Whiff %

BB %

Hard Hit %

 

xERA 51st

GB % 54th

 

He's an average reliever?

 

 

Ok I don’t mind dealing Schreiber specifically. (And can we quit pretending average = bad.)

 

That they are moving healthy arms to clear way for longer term recovery hopefuls isn’t an exciting plan to watch. It’s Paxton Redux. And Paxton took two years to give the Sox 96 innings of a 4.68 FIP. Do you think he was worth it?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

And Jansen's $16 million will be gone by 2025 if not sooner.

 

This fan, among at least four or five others, will celebrate on antisocial media: The Budget! Reset! Get more players under Control! It doesn't matter if they're pitchers who throw with control -- or baserunners or batters who control impulses not to do dumb things or take dumb swings... Years of CONTROL! That's all that counts for Sox fans.

[Bellhorn04]

Ok I don’t mind dealing Schreiber specifically. (And can we quit pretending average = bad.)

 

That they are moving healthy arms to clear way for longer term recovery hopefuls isn’t an exciting plan to watch. It’s Paxton Redux. And Paxton took two years to give the Sox 96 innings of a 4.68 FIP. Do you think he was worth it?

 

They got a starter prospect for Schreiber, though. We sure as heck need some of those.

[notin]

Breslow's recent moves don't really say that IMO, because he's added some bullpen arms too (Campbell, Weissert, Luetge).

 

I think this offseason's plan will become official when JM signs with us or not.

 

Great. Maybe one of them will make the team…

[notin]

They got a starter prospect for Schreiber, though. We sure as heck need some of those.

 

Yes. I’m hoping he works out. I know nothing about the guy.

 

 

At some point the Sox should add an actual starter…

[Bellhorn04]

It looks to me like Breslow is doing some good work. But what's frustrating is that he seems to be confined to playing on the margins.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

That the Sox are dealing healthy arms for question marks on the IL all but makes it official they have given up on 2024.

 

I also think you’ve seen enough of these injury recovery contracts to know they don’t pan out at a very high rate…

 

I keep buying new combs for when my hair grows back, too. I'm waiting patiently for regrowth. So please don't mistake me for being moss elite.

[notin]

Campbell was good last year.

 

He’s the most likely one.

 

Luetge is on a minor league deal. Weissert is a 29yo career minor leaguer who probably gets DFAd before the season ends…

[mvp 78]

If Crag was CBO, I believe he would have dealt JD or Sale in '22 and the Sox would have gotten under the CBT. There's also no way Paxton would have been on the team after the trade deadline in '23.

 

If Bloom was the CBO this offseason:

 

Sale is still here

Verdugo is still here

Bloom signs low stakes starter like Lorenzen for 1 year

Churns through the waiver wire for relievers like nobody's business

Doesn't trade for Slaten, but drafts Anthony Prato from the Twins (UTIL)

 

We're all waiting for Bloom to do something, but he's wishy washy about how amazing this season will be.

[Bellhorn04]

He’s the most likely one.

 

(I deleted my post when I saw it was only 28.2 innings.)

[mvp 78]

Breslow's recent moves don't really say that IMO, because he's added some bullpen arms too (Campbell, Weissert, Luetge).

 

I think this offseason's plan will become official when JM signs with us or not.

 

I think he's added some decent bullpen depth. There were recent years when they've had to bring up some real stinkers from AAA.

[mvp 78]

Ok I don’t mind dealing Schreiber specifically. (And can we quit pretending average = bad.)

 

That they are moving healthy arms to clear way for longer term recovery hopefuls isn’t an exciting plan to watch. It’s Paxton Redux. And Paxton took two years to give the Sox 96 innings of a 4.68 FIP. Do you think he was worth it?

 

Paxton was out for over a year. Hendriks should be back this year. I think there's a considerable difference.

 

Average is BORING. Schreiber was BORING. Being worried about losing years of control is a zero sum game at some point.

[Bellhorn04]

If Crag was CBO, I believe he would have dealt JD or Sale in '22 and the Sox would have gotten under the CBT. There's also no way Paxton would have been on the team after the trade deadline in '23.

 

If Bloom was the CBO this offseason:

 

Sale is still here

Verdugo is still here

Bloom signs low stakes starter like Lorenzen for 1 year

Churns through the waiver wire for relievers like nobody's business

Doesn't trade for Slaten, but drafts Anthony Prato from the Twins (UTIL)

 

We're all waiting for Bloom to do something, but he's wishy washy about how amazing this season will be.

 

Liking Crag so far. Unfortunately, as it stands, he has an excellent chance to Three-Peat the 78-84 record.

[mvp 78]

They got a starter prospect for Schreiber, though. We sure as heck need some of those.

 

They need to fix the pipeline. A large way to do that is via trade since they ignored it in the draft for a very long time. Waiting for IFA's is a horrible idea. Only drafting pitchers after the 4th round is a horrible idea.