Trade Deadline 2023

[Dipre]

Must have gotten really high.

 

On my own suppy

[sk7326]

Bloom is in an interesting spot ... he knows that this team is not a Dodger/Braves/Astros level inner circle contender. But he also knows that in baseball of all sports, being an inner circle contender on paper is not particularly important. If you get in the tournament, you can win it. We've seen too many examples of that. The Sox are not in a position to trade top prospects for a rental.

 

So far the moves make sense - try to add bullpen help and maybe bet on Story's return to SS to aid the run prevention. Another 2B would be nice but cost matters. Jonathan India has not been good - but if that is a buy and retain low opportunity, you do have to look at it. His defense is bad, but that (tee hee) doesn't hurt the Sox team defense overall.

[Maxbialystock]

They aren't going to bring up Rafaela before he's ready. Story is going to be up pretty soon. They are going to keep Chang/Reyes/Arroyo around for 2B. Rafaela's best skill is playing CF. Defense at 2B is diminishing his overall value. It could make more sense if they saw him as a lengthy fill in at SS, but I think they want to give him time in AAA.

 

Actually, I think the best infield lineup--when Story returns, which should be soon--is Devers 3B, Story SS, Turner 2B, and Casas 1B. That is far from ideal defensively, but absolutely the best hitting infield for the Sox and it doesn't require any trades or new faces. However, Turner is 37 and probably shouldn't play 2B every day.

[Maxbialystock]

Giolito is off the boards, and is an example of how a very good rental SP'er might cost a top Sox prospect, according to what values BTV had on the two prospects headed to CWS.

 

That trade also shows how deals can get done ahead of the wire. (We need a starter before the deadline day.)

 

As I said elsewhere, starting August 4 (next week) the Sox play 48 games during which they get just 2 days off. They badly need a 5th starter (assuming Pivetta qualifies as the 4th starter when he comes in from the bullpen in the 2d or 3d inning).

 

So I am chagrinned at the cost (in prospects) of getting what amounts to a loaner, that is, a pitcher who becomes a free agent after this season.

 

At the same time, it's hard not to be enthusiastic about the Sox right now: 14-5 in July despite a decimated rotation and basically one catcher (a small exaggeration).

[mvp 78]

Giolito is off the boards, and is an example of how a very good rental SP'er might cost a top Sox prospect, according to what values BTV had on the two prospects headed to CWS.

 

That trade also shows how deals can get done ahead of the wire. (We need a starter before the deadline day.)

 

Except that the Angels paid way more than BTV projected. The kicked in an extra 20M in value.

[vegasbob]

Kudos to Justin Turner , who at 38, has played in 98 of 102 games so far this year providing coverage at 3 positions while hitting .840 OPS with 66 rbi's. Congrats to Turner and Bloom for getting him.

 

It will be interesting to see what happens with his player option for 2024 costing $13.4 million if he plays or a $6.4 million buyout.

[mvp 78]

Kudos to Justin Turner , who at 38, has played in 98 of 102 games so far this year providing coverage at 3 positions while hitting .840 OPS with 66 rbi's. Congrats to Turner and Bloom for getting him.

 

It will be interesting to see what happens with his player option for 2024 costing $13.4 million if he plays or a $6.4 million buyout.

 

He's taking the buyout.

[Dipre]

He's taking the buyout.

 

As he damn well should.

[mvp 78]

@ander_beisbol

alerta los Cardinals están en negociación con los RedSox y Marlins para transferir al Short Paul DeJong, el nativo de Orlando Florida no fue alineado hoy.

Los #STLCards se enfrentarán a los #Cubs y a un zurdo, Paul batea .274/.378/.468/.846 está temporada vs Zurdos.

 

We had discussed DeJong back in April. Better late than never.

[mvp 78]

@alexspeier

The Red Sox released Jake Faria and placed Eddie Alvarez on Triple-A Worcester's injured list. Those moves open space for the team to add righthanders Nick Robertson and Justin Hagenman to the WooSox roster.

[moonslav59]

As he damn well should.

 

Maybe we can get him to extend.

[Nick]

Maybe we can get him to extend.

 

He's 38 and it's a terrible idea to extend him.

 

t's time to get on with the core group.

 

We need the DH spot for Yoshida.

 

Duval will be gone so we need a right handed OF bat. ..

 

CC Wong

1B Casas

2B

SS Story

3B Devers

LF

CF Duran

RF Verdugo

DH Yoshida

 

All will be here for few years with exception of Verdugo.

 

I would expect that two openings will be filled internally by start of 2025 unless we trade for a controlled player prior to that.

Edited July 27, 2023 by Nick

[moonslav59]

He's 38 and it's a terrible idea to extend him.

 

t's time to get on with the core group.

 

We need the DH spot for Yoshida.

 

Duval will be gone so we need a right handed OF bat. ..

 

CC Wong

1B Casas

2B

SS Story

3B Devers

LF

CF Duran

RF Verdugo

DH Yoshida

 

All will be here for few years with exception of Verdugo.

 

I would expect two openings will be filled internally by start of 2025.

 

I didn’t say extend him for 4 years.

 

Don’t undervalue his influence and impact on this team.

[Bellhorn04]

I didn’t say extend him for 4 years.

 

Don’t undervalue his influence and impact on this team.

 

If there was a way to bring him back for one more year I'd certainly be in favor.

[Nick]

I didn’t say extend him for 4 years.

 

Don’t undervalue his influence and impact on this team.

 

We said the same thing about Kike. Never underestimate mother nature and it's toll on human body.

[Nick]

Had Duval not been hurt, we may have never discovered Duran.

 

Think about that......

 

Don't let rentals retard the journey that Bloom is taking us.

 

Build the core group.

[moonslav59]

If there was a way to bring him back for one more year I'd certainly be in favor.

 

If it took giving him a two year deal, I’d consider paying that extra.

[moonslav59]

We said the same thing about Kike. Never underestimate mother nature and it's toll on human body.

 

DH is different.

[moonslav59]

Had Duval not been hurt, we may have never discovered Duran.

 

Think about that......

 

Don't let rentals retard the journey that Bloom is taking us.

 

Build the core group.

 

True, but don’t let the Aldo Ramirez types keep you from adding guys like Schwarber.

[sk7326]

We said the same thing about Kike. Never underestimate mother nature and it's toll on human body.

 

true - though Turner (obviously positional value is different) is a better player than Kike ... he can be an above average DH for another year. If he opts in, things will be fine.

 

As far as the OF goes, i could see Rafaela in CF bumping Duran to RF and Verdugo to LF. Not the sexiest OF offensively but defensively could be excellent. The one thing is all these positions are left handed save for Rafaela and there are probably 300-400 PAs there for Turner just as a platoonish guy.

[Nick]

I am hoping Turner opts in for 2024.

 

Beyond that he is holding up a younger player because I think Yoshida is better off at DH spot.

 

I want to see Abreu and Rafaela.

 

If they fail I rather have the bad news sooner than later

Edited July 28, 2023 by Nick

[moonslav59]

I am hoping Turner opts in for 2024.

 

Beyond that he is holding up a younger player because I think Yoshida is better off at DH spot.

 

I want to see Abreu and Rafaela.

 

If they fail I rather have the bad news sooner than later

 

I agree Yoshida is better as a DH, but Turner seems like he's the heart and soul of this team.

[moonslav59]

Marlins acquire David Robertson from Mets.

[Jasonbay44]

I agree Yoshida is better as a DH, but Turner seems like he's the heart and soul of this team.

 

I feel like Turner just adds a lot beyond the fact he’s a great hitter. He is the perfect example of a veteran leader. Every one of his former teammates love him. Even if it gets to the point where he regressed so bad next season that he couldn’t play every day, he isn’t a guy whose gonna bitch about play time and will stay involved in the clubhouse.

[Hugh2]

The best thing that could completely transform this already potent lineup is a big RH bat right in between Devers and Casas. Maybe that's more 2024/2025 but even with Story coming back I don't know how you can trade Adam Duvall if you're going for it.

 

Duvall is the exact type of guy you would be looking to trade for right now if you didn't have him now.

[moonslav59]

The best thing that could completely transform this already potent lineup is a big RH bat right in between Devers and Casas. Maybe that's more 2024/2025 but even with Story coming back I don't know how you can trade Adam Duvall if you're going for it.

 

Duvall is the exact type of guy you would be looking to trade for right now if you didn't have him now.

 

I disagree.

 

If we did not have Duvall or Refsnyder, finding a RH'd OF'er would not be our 1, 2 or 3 priority.

 

1. SP

2, SP

3. RH RP

4 LH MI or RH power bat

[Bellhorn04]

I disagree.

 

If we did not have Duvall or Refsnyder, finding a RH'd OF'er would not be our 1, 2 or 3 priority.

 

1. SP

2, SP

3. RH RP

4 LH MI or RH power bat

 

He didn't say it would be the top priority, though.

[Dojji]

true - though Turner (obviously positional value is different) is a better player than Kike ... he can be an above average DH for another year. If he opts in, things will be fine.

 

As far as the OF goes, i could see Rafaela in CF bumping Duran to RF and Verdugo to LF. Not the sexiest OF offensively but defensively could be excellent. The one thing is all these positions are left handed save for Rafaela and there are probably 300-400 PAs there for Turner just as a platoonish guy.

 

I actually see a potential future where Rafaela is our second baseman. Our OF is fine at the moment, Story is probably our long term SS, but Arroyo is just about replacement level, not hard to see Rafaela outshining him to fill that hole. If he can play shortstop he can learn second so that's not likely to be an issue. It just makes sense over the next 2-3 years to see if Rafaela can be the star at second.

Edited July 28, 2023 by Dojji

[mvp 78]

I actually see a potential future where Rafaela is our second baseman. Our OF is fine at the moment, Story is probably our long term SS, but Arroyo is just about replacement level, not hard to see Rafaela outshining him to fill that hole. If he can play shortstop he can learn second so that's not likely to be an issue. It just makes sense over the next 2-3 years to see if Rafaela can be the star at second.

 

Why would Story be the long term SS if Rafaela is a much better defender? How does that make any sense? Why take all of Rafaela's value and throw it in the trash?

[Bellhorn04]

Why would Story be the long term SS if Rafaela is a much better defender? How does that make any sense? Why take all of Rafaela's value and throw it in the trash?

 

I missed where it said Rafaela is a much better SS.