June 24, 2023 Red vs White

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

This is as good a time to post BOSOX standings in the AL based on fielding % based on position entering today's game:

 

1st base--Tied for 10th

2nd base--13th

3rd base--12th

SS---------15TH

Catcher--Tied for 6th

LF--------Tied for 11th

CF-------Tied for 1st

RF-------4TH

Edited June 24, 2023 by SPLENDIDSPLINTER

[illinoisredsox]

As a team you need to make routine plays. I'm sorry but that was a routine play that Casas needs to make. Pitching and Offense will not always be there but Defense can. Just need to make the routine plays

 

It had a lot of English on it so it wasn’t routine, but it still needs to be made.

[Maxbialystock]

This is a game the Red Sox should not have lost.

 

I'm not so sure. Lynn was better than I expected. Paxton was fine, but only lasted 4 freaking innings.

 

So Cora sends Winck out to throw at least 2 innings, no matter what, and that's what happened--three stinking dingers by the Chisox. The Sox were lucky to tie it in the 9th. Then suddenly, with the game tied and the bases now loaded, The Great Duvall comes to the plate and K's in 3 freaking pitches.

 

So a lot of stinkiness by the Sox--Paxton only lasting 4 innings, Winck giving up 3 dingers, Casas's error, and Duvall's K with the bases loaded.

[Dipre]

I'm not so sure. Lynn was better than I expected. Paxton was fine, but only lasted 4 freaking innings.

 

So Cora sends Winck out to throw at least 2 innings, no matter what, and that's what happened--three stinking dingers by the Chisox. The Sox were lucky to tie it in the 9th. Then suddenly, with the game tied and the bases now loaded, The Great Duvall comes to the plate and K's in 3 freaking pitches.

 

So a lot of stinkiness by the Sox--Paxton only lasting 4 innings, Winck giving up 3 dingers, Casas's error, and Duvall's K with the bases loaded.

 

You know what, this is a fair take. I guess I'm a bit fixated on how bad the White Sox have been, but Lynn was pretty good.

[bmattioli]

.500 Team at it's best. Good game but you need to beat these teams..

[illinoisredsox]

I'm not so sure. Lynn was better than I expected. Paxton was fine, but only lasted 4 freaking innings.

 

So Cora sends Winck out to throw at least 2 innings, no matter what, and that's what happened--three stinking dingers by the Chisox. The Sox were lucky to tie it in the 9th. Then suddenly, with the game tied and the bases now loaded, The Great Duvall comes to the plate and K's in 3 freaking pitches.

 

So a lot of stinkiness by the Sox--Paxton only lasting 4 innings, Winck giving up 3 dingers, Casas's error, and Duvall's K with the bases loaded.

 

Paxton only going 4 stinks from an overall team point of view, but if he was hurt, it’s more in the line of bad luck. Since we don’t know when the soreness occurred, maybe they were luckythey got 4 out of him.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Seeing Beni and Joe Kelly reminded me only Sale and Devers remain from that 2018 championship team. Edited June 24, 2023 by SPLENDIDSPLINTER

[notin]

Oh, baloney. Winck killed us in this game--and Cora enabled him. That was a hard hit ball Casas mishandled.

 

That was also a nasty bounce. It was ruled an error but clearly not one. Official scorer was kinda goofy today….

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

That was also a nasty bounce. It was ruled an error but clearly not one. Official scorer was kinda goofy today….

 

 

I've seen much easier misplays called hits, so let's just label that Casas play bad luck. It appears to me the SOX have had more bad luck than good luck so far this season. Maybe it will even out in the second half.

[FredLynn]

Well this game proves that we are ALMOST as good as the abysmal White Sox. I think we will probably make it to 70 wins, 75 if we are extremely lucky. We all knew this season would be a stinker.

[notin]

Well this game proves that we are ALMOST as good as the abysmal White Sox. I think we will probably make it to 70 wins, 75 if we are extremely lucky. We all knew this season would be a stinker.

 

So you think the Red Sox are going to go 30-54 the rest of the way and are worse than a team 7 games behind them in the standings? Because they lost to them once?

[Maxbialystock]

So you think the Red Sox are going to go 30-54 the rest of the way and are worse than a team 7 games behind them in the standings? Because they lost to them once?

 

If he does, it shows he hasn't been paying attention.

[Duran Is The Man]

Paxton only going 4 stinks from an overall team point of view, but if he was hurt, it’s more in the line of bad luck. Since we don’t know when the soreness occurred, maybe they were luckythey got 4 out of him.

 

it seems like we have a never-ending parade of injuries. i'm sure other teams probably have just as many, but i don't keep up with other teams. sucks seeing Paxton go out. with him on the mound, i was counting this game as a win.

[Maxbialystock]

Paxton only going 4 stinks from an overall team point of view, but if he was hurt, it’s more in the line of bad luck. Since we don’t know when the soreness occurred, maybe they were luckythey got 4 out of him.

 

You could well be right. But maybe the fact that he pitched at all this season was the lucky part and all the missed games were inevitable based on his physical makeup. That absolutely applies to Sale. McGuire hurt himself swinging a bat, for crying out loud. Didn't Chang do something like that? Houck, on the other hand, had horrible luck with that line drive--or maybe it was good luck it wasn't worse.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

O's continue to sneak up on the Rays. Only 2 games behind in the all important loss column.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Except for the Rays, O's and Rangers, all other teams over .500 in the AL aren't all that far apart. Edited June 25, 2023 by SPLENDIDSPLINTER

[illinoisredsox]

If he does, it shows he hasn't been paying attention.

 

There’s an adjective that applies to him, but decorum prevents me from using it.

[notin]

There’s an adjective that applies to him, but decorum prevents me from using it.

 

I thought this was a decorum-free forum?

[moonslav59]

That was a smash to Casas, but a plus defensive 1Bman makes that play and it's on to the 10th.

 

Bad time for Wink to pitch a stinker. I think he's only had 2-3 bad games, all year, so it's hard to think too badly of him.

 

The bats have gone inconsistent for a very long time, now. I wonder, if that is what we should expect over the second half. Maybe Story can give it the boost it seems to need,

 

I hope Paxton's knee is fine, and he doesn't miss a start. We are down to Walter and Murphy as options.

 

My guess is Wong gets tomorrow off, and the day off Monday, he should be well rested by Tuesday's game.

 

Too bad Hamilton can't get on base a lot. They kid looks like an auto SB.

 

[Maxbialystock]

That was a smash to Casas, but a plus defensive 1Bman makes that play and it's on to the 10th.

 

Bad time for Wink to pitch a stinker. I think he's only had 2-3 bad games, all year, so it's hard to think too badly of him.

 

The bats have gone inconsistent for a very long time, now. I wonder, if that is what we should expect over the second half. Maybe Story can give it the boost it seems to need,

 

I hope Paxton's knee is fine, and he doesn't miss a start. We are down to Walter and Murphy as options.

 

My guess is Wong gets tomorrow off, and the day off Monday, he should be well rested by Tuesday's game.

 

Too bad Hamilton can't get on base a lot. They kid looks like an auto SB.

 

 

Sorry to disagree, but Casas delivered the 2 run dinger to save the day and the game--until Winck butchered it with the acquiescence of Cora. Three freaking dingers in two innings. That was a single, not an error by Casas. I'm no big fan of his, but you are over-reaching when you expect him to be a gold glover as well as the deliverer of key dingers.

 

Apparently, the knee issue with Paxton has been going on for some time, so a shout out to whoever mentioned that possibility. Nevertheless, Paxton is just one more example of player fragility on this year's Sox team. Sale is another. So is Chang. So is McGuire.

 

So, really, is Duvall, who at age 34 has played full seasons (140 or more games) just 3 times in 10 seasons. Despite--or because of--his size, the man is fragile. Also, his career OPS is .760, so my less than humble opinion is that Duran or Refsnyder should play ahead of Duvall.

[Bellhorn04]

So, really, is Duvall, who at age 34 has played full seasons (140 or more games) just 3 times in 10 seasons. Despite--or because of--his size, the man is fragile. Also, his career OPS is .760, so my less than humble opinion is that Duran or Refsnyder should play ahead of Duvall.

 

Um, Max, why would you quote Duvall's .760 OPS and leave out Refsnyder's .689 OPS, and why would you like the .689 guy better than the .760 guy?

[illinoisredsox]

Sorry to disagree, but Casas delivered the 2 run dinger to save the day and the game--until Winck butchered it with the acquiescence of Cora. Three freaking dingers in two innings. That was a single, not an error by Casas. I'm no big fan of his, but you are over-reaching when you expect him to be a gold glover as well as the deliverer of key dingers.

 

Apparently, the knee issue with Paxton has been going on for some time, so a shout out to whoever mentioned that possibility. Nevertheless, Paxton is just one more example of player fragility on this year's Sox team. Sale is another. So is Chang. So is McGuire.

 

So, really, is Duvall, who at age 34 has played full seasons (140 or more games) just 3 times in 10 seasons. Despite--or because of--his size, the man is fragile. Also, his career OPS is .760, so my less than humble opinion is that Duran or Refsnyder should play ahead of Duvall.

 

If you want to say Paxton and Sale are fragile, fine. They are. Both have a history of long spells on the IL. Duvall had a freak injury this season, but he has been on the IL a lot, so he could be considered fragile.

 

If Devers pulls a hammy today and has to be sat on the IL for 10 or 15 days, is he fragile too?

 

It's pro sports, players get hurt, sometimes in weird ways.

 

Chang had a freak injury; he has no history of time on the injured list. As near as I can tell, the last time he might have been on it was his rookie year in 2019. Hamate bone injuries can take a long time to heal.

 

Ditto McGuire. Freak injury, but one that has happened to many players. Again, a guy with no real injury history.

Edited June 25, 2023 by illinoisredsox

[notin]

If you want to say Paxton and Sale are fragile, fine. They are. Both have a history of long spells on the IL. Duvall had a freak injury this season, but he has been on the IL a lot, so he could be considered fragile.

 

Chang had a freak injury; he has no history of time on the injured list. As near as I can tell, the last time he might have been on it was his rookie year in 2019. Hamate bone injuries can take a long time to heal.

 

Ditto McGuire. Freak injury, but one that has happened to many players. Again, a guy with no real injury history.

 

It also feels a bit disingenuous to criticize Bloom for bringing in players with significant history of injury while also criticizing him for not bringing back players with greater histories of injury, and on multiyear deals no less…

[Bellhorn04]

It also feels a bit disingenuous to criticize Bloom for bringing in players with significant history of injury while also criticizing him for not bringing back players with greater histories of injury, and on multiyear deals no less…

 

Eovaldi's injury history over the last 5 years isn't really worse than Paxton's, is it?

[Maxbialystock]

Um, Max, why would you quote Duvall's .760 OPS and leave out Refsnyder's .689 OPS, and why would you like the .689 guy better than the .760 guy?

 

Remember Midnight Cowboy and Dustin Hoffman trying to cross the street? That's me, and I'm trying to make a point here. You, on the other hand, are meddling with some pretty brilliant insights.

[Maxbialystock]

It also feels a bit disingenuous to criticize Bloom for bringing in players with significant history of injury while also criticizing him for not bringing back players with greater histories of injury, and on multiyear deals no less…

 

Disingenuous is my middle name, and I say hammy injuries are on the player. Same goes for those self-inflicted injuries to Chang and McGuire.

 

Houck, on the other hand, is a hero. He got nailed in the face by that line drive, went down, got up, walked off the field, and waved to the fans.

[illinoisredsox]

Disingenuous is my middle name, and I say hammy injuries are on the player. Same goes for those self-inflicted injuries to Chang and McGuire.

 

Houck, on the other hand, is a hero. He got nailed in the face by that line drive, went down, got up, walked off the field, and waved to the fans.

 

How is trying to catch a ball with your face heroic? That’s what the glove is for;)

[moonslav59]

Sorry to disagree, but Casas delivered the 2 run dinger to save the day and the game--until Winck butchered it with the acquiescence of Cora. Three freaking dingers in two innings. That was a single, not an error by Casas. I'm no big fan of his, but you are over-reaching when you expect him to be a gold glover as well as the deliverer of key dingers.

 

Apparently, the knee issue with Paxton has been going on for some time, so a shout out to whoever mentioned that possibility. Nevertheless, Paxton is just one more example of player fragility on this year's Sox team. Sale is another. So is Chang. So is McGuire.

 

So, really, is Duvall, who at age 34 has played full seasons (140 or more games) just 3 times in 10 seasons. Despite--or because of--his size, the man is fragile. Also, his career OPS is .760, so my less than humble opinion is that Duran or Refsnyder should play ahead of Duvall.

 

I never said I expect him to be a GG 1Bman, but many 1Bmen make that play half or more times than not. It was a tough play.

Pointing this out does not take away from what else he did in the game.

He had a net plus game. For sure.

[Maxbialystock]

How is trying to catch a ball with your face heroic? That’s what the glove is for;)

 

If only.

[moonslav59]

It’s seems to be all about yesterday and today, only.