Red Sox Starting Rotation 2023

[notin]

You’re comparing college hitters to pro hitters?

 

No. Just frustrated another local college kid got away..

[moonslav59]

Our likely rotation up to the deadline:

 

7/23 NYM Bernardino

7/24 OFF

7/25 ATL Bello +1 days rest

7/26 ATL Crawford +1 days rest

7/27 OFF

7/28 @SFG Paxton +1 day rest

7/29 @SFG (Trade) or opener + Pivetta

7/30 @SFG Bello

7/31 @SEA Crawford

8/1 @SEA (trade?)

8/2 @SEA Paxton, if not traded away

8/3 OFF (trade?)

 

[notin]

Our likely rotation up to the deadline:

 

7/23 NYM Bernardino

7/24 OFF

7/25 ATL Bello +1 days rest

7/26 ATL Crawford +1 days rest

7/27 OFF

7/28 @SFG Paxton +1 day rest

7/29 @SFG (Trade) or opener + Pivetta

7/30 @SFG Bello

7/31 @SEA Crawford

8/1 @SEA (trade?)

8/2 @SEA Paxton, if not traded away

8/3 OFF (trade?)

 

 

 

It’s very unlikely the Sox have a newly acquired pitcher available before August 3rd….

[Randy Red Sox]

Well Bloom doesn't draft P until the late rounds.

No. Just frustrated another local college kid got away..

[notin]

Well Bloom doesn't draft P until the late rounds.

 

Emmet went in the 6th round…

[moonslav59]

It’s very unlikely the Sox have a newly acquired pitcher available before August 3rd….

 

Agreed, but Aug 1 is possible.

[notin]

Agreed, but Aug 1 is possible.

 

Only for an early trade or a trade on August 1 with the Seattle Mariners completed before the game starts, and the new SP simply has to walk across the diamond during BP and try on his new uniform…

[moonslav59]

Only for an early trade or a trade on August 1 with the Seattle Mariners completed before the game starts, and the new SP simply has to walk across the diamond during BP and try on his new uniform…

 

I seem to remember deals getting done the day before the deadline, often enough to think we have a chance.

[Larry Cook]

I seem to remember deals getting done the day before the deadline, often enough to think we have a chance.

 

Is there anybody specific you would want?

[moonslav59]

Is there anybody specific you would want?

 

I like a lot of pitchers.

 

I'd trade a nice package for a guy like Cease- still under contract, but I'm thinking a rental is more likely.

 

I like Stroman, Giolito, Montgomery, Snell or ERod.

 

I might take Verlander, if the Mets pay enough for us to stay under the tax line. Other longer term guys who interest me are...

 

Longer Term (Years)

56.0 Keller (2.3) PIT

51.4 Cease (2.3) CWS

40.7 Burnes (1.3) MIL

36.8 Musgrove (4.3) SDP

35.1 Sandoval (3.3) LAA

27.4 Senga (1.3) NYM

26.6 S Gray (4.3) WSH

24.1 Canning (2.3) LAA

22.4 Sears (5.3) OAK

21.9 Lynch (4.3) KCR

20.0 Singer (3.3) KCR

10.7 Blackburn (2.3) OAK

4.4 S Lugo (1.3) SDP

2.7 Houser (1.3) MIL

-34.5 Verlander (2.3) NYM

 

Not sure all are on the market.

[notin]

I seem to remember deals getting done the day before the deadline, often enough to think we have a chance.

 

I specifically said “only for an early trade or …”

 

Some trades will go before August 1, but most will wait as long as possible to get all the offers on the table…

[moonslav59]

I specifically said “only for an early trade or …”

 

Some trades will go before August 1, but most will wait as long as possible to get all the offers on the table…

 

I think several deals get made the day before the deadline, which is more than any other day from opening day to deadline day.

[Maxbialystock]

Our likely rotation up to the deadline:

 

7/23 NYM Bernardino

7/24 OFF

7/25 ATL Bello +1 days rest

7/26 ATL Crawford +1 days rest

7/27 OFF

7/28 @SFG Paxton +1 day rest

7/29 @SFG (Trade) or opener + Pivetta

7/30 @SFG Bello

7/31 @SEA Crawford

8/1 @SEA (trade?)

8/2 @SEA Paxton, if not traded away

8/3 OFF (trade?)

 

 

Reasonable.

[mvp 78]

@MacCerullo

Chris Sale is scheduled to throw live batting practice in Worcester on Thursday. If that goes well he could begin his rehab assignment next week.

[Bellhorn04]

@MacCerullo

Chris Sale is scheduled to throw live batting practice in Worcester on Thursday. If that goes well he could begin his rehab assignment next week.

 

They're toying with us.

[Larry Cook]

@MacCerullo

Chris Sale is scheduled to throw live batting practice in Worcester on Thursday. If that goes well he could begin his rehab assignment next week.

 

Can we please send a boatload of bubble wrap to Worcester by Thursday

[moonslav59]

They're toying with us.

 

If he didn’t have that very nice 8-9 game stretch, I’d be done with Sale, but yes, they are toying with us!

[Larry Cook]

If he didn’t have that very nice 8-9 game stretch, I’d be done with Sale, but yes, they are toying with us!

 

Sale still has amazing stuff

[moonslav59]

Sale still has amazing stuff

 

Before this season, I had two major worries about Sale:

 

1. Could he even comeback and pitch for a long stretch or two?

 

2. Could he pitch anywhere near like he did before.

 

I think he answered #2, although with this new injury, I’m not 100% sure he can again.

[Dojji]

Crazy idea: ease Sale in by using him as Pivetta's opener. Sale goes 2 or 3, Pivetta eats most of the rest of the game. The righty coming in after the lefty has been a useful trick.

 

If thhe best thing we can do for Sale is go easy on him, then an opener ole behhind one of our 2 longmen might be the way to get him back into the rhythm and flow while giving him time to rest his aches and pains.

 

Ultimately I'd be willing to tolerate a Chris Sale that finished this year in the bullpen. When a guy has been this consistently hurt you need to throw out what you used to know and deal with the man as he is. He's still got a power arm, and I'd trust him in high leverage siituations. It might be the best thing for everyone if Sale just doesn't go back into the rotation. Maybe he'll even be another one who enjoys the Pivetta Special.

[mvp 78]

Crazy idea: ease Sale in by using him as Pivetta's opener. Sale goes 2 or 3, Pivetta eats most of the rest of the game. The righty coming in after the lefty has been a useful trick.

 

If thhe best thing we can do for Sale is go easy on him, then an opener ole behhind one of our 2 longmen might be the way to get him back into the rhythm and flow while giving him time to rest his aches and pains.

 

Ultimately I'd be willing to tolerate a Chris Sale that finished this year in the bullpen. When a guy has been this consistently hurt you need to throw out what you used to know and deal with the man as he is. He's still got a power arm, and I'd trust him in high leverage siituations. It might be the best thing for everyone if Sale just doesn't go back into the rotation. Maybe he'll even be another one who enjoys the Pivetta Special.

 

I think I'd rather use Sale at the start of the bullpen game instead of the Pivetta game. There, he'd have a chance to go 2-3-maybe 4 innings and lighten the load on the pen.

[Dipre]

Dojji's idea is not bad at the outset though, considering his injury history. I'd be down with that initially.

[Hugh2]

The problem with that ideal is if you have starters going less innings it puts more stress on the bullpen, however, having more multi-inning guys capable of that can mitigate that issue. Also, you need guys down in AAA you can trust because you're going to be rotating that depth on the back end of the 26 all season. When you have better options than Ort/Garza coming up thats' been shown to be a viable strategy, or at least in Tampa. Actually, to be fair, it hasn't exactly worked out horribly for the Sox so far but I don' think that can last all year. They need to add at least one starter.

[Dipre]

Both ideas are not mutually exclusive.

[mvp 78]

The problem with that ideal is if you have starters going less innings it puts more stress on the bullpen, however, having more multi-inning guys capable of that can mitigate that issue. Also, you need guys down in AAA you can trust because you're going to be rotating that depth on the back end of the 26 all season. When you have better options than Ort/Garza coming up thats' been shown to be a viable strategy, or at least in Tampa. Actually, to be fair, it hasn't exactly worked out horribly for the Sox so far but I don' think that can last all year. They need to add at least one starter.

 

Right now, they don't really have the arms in AAA to make that plan viable over a long stretch. It has worked out so far, but there have been too many Orts and Garzas that have been brought up. There are better arms in AA right now that this option could work for though (Liu, Wikelman, Dobbins, Guerrero, Zeferjahn, etc.) in the future.

[mvp 78]

Both ideas are not mutually exclusive.

 

No, it's just picking which day to start: the bullpen day or the Pivetta day. Either is fine for now. If he can get stretched out, I would eventually prefer him to not be paired with Pivetta.

[notin]

The problem with that ideal is if you have starters going less innings it puts more stress on the bullpen, however, having more multi-inning guys capable of that can mitigate that issue. Also, you need guys down in AAA you can trust because you're going to be rotating that depth on the back end of the 26 all season. When you have better options than Ort/Garza coming up thats' been shown to be a viable strategy, or at least in Tampa. Actually, to be fair, it hasn't exactly worked out horribly for the Sox so far but I don' think that can last all year. They need to add at least one starter.

 

Again, what’s the difference in having Pivetta pitch innings 1 through 5 and having the bullpen pitch 6 through 9, and having an opener pitch innings 1 and 2, Pivetta pitch inning 3 through 7, and then the other bullpen arms pitch innings 8 and 9?

[Dipre]

Again, what’s the difference in having Pivetta pitch innings 1 through 5 and having the bullpen pitch 6 through 9, and having an opener pitch innings 1 and 2, Pivetta pitch inning 3 through 7, and then the other bullpen arms pitch innings 8 and 9?

 

If it's working why change it?

[mvp 78]

If it's working why change it?

 

^^^

[Hugh2]

Right now, they don't really have the arms in AAA to make that plan viable over a long stretch. It has worked out so far, but there have been too many Orts and Garzas that have been brought up. There are better arms in AA right now that this option could work for though (Liu, Wikelman, Dobbins, Guerrero, Zeferjahn, etc.) in the future.

 

No, but a lot of guys who fit the mold of starting pitcher go bust in the past have turned out to be pretty good options there. Guys like Webster, Owens, RDLR, and Ranaudo failed in the past where today guys like Houck, Winck, Murphy, and Johnson are succeeding. Yes, none of those guys look like Bello, but they're the exact type of guys you need to make that work. What they really need is another starter or two, and a few bullpen arms who are an upgrade but have options. Kind of like the guy they just traded Kike for.

 

I think they assume one of Whitlock, Sale, Houck fills one rotation slot and they go out and get another. If they do that, and maybe add another bullpen piece along with two additional starters (one coming back from injury) they could make a nice little run here. Assuming bats don't go cold.