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[notin]

Link please.

 

Seriously?

[Bellhorn04]

It was also a big story when Judge set the AL home run record. Not sure what your point is.

 

Well I can't help you then. It's a simple point.

[Bellhorn04]

Seriously?

 

No.

[Old Red]

It was also a big story when Judge set the AL home run record. Not sure what your point is.

 

If you want to know something about a hitter, which stat tells you the least? BA? OBP? SLG? OPS?

 

As we’ve gone round, and round on this it depends on who is asking, and what the wants, and needs are. It’s not a one size fits all.

[notin]

Well I can't help you then. It's a simple point.

 

No it wasn’t.

 

The point was “batting average is the least informative offensive stat.”

 

Let’s start simple - what does batting average tell you about a hitter?

[notin]

As we’ve gone round, and round on this it depends on who is asking, and what the wants, and needs are. It’s not a one size fits all.

 

And yet you only cite BA…

[Old Red]

And yet you only cite BA…

 

That’s All I need sometimes.

[Old Red]

No it wasn’t.

 

The point was “batting average is the least informative offensive stat.”

 

Let’s start simple - what does batting average tell you about a hitter?

 

Crank that Jack in the box all you want on this. One of these days it may actually open for you.

[mvp 78]

That’s All I need sometimes.

 

You have a hammer and everything looks like a nail.

[Dipre]

Hank Aaron was a lifetime .300 hitter with more than 700 home runs. But his xfmdoowops were very mediocre.

 

I know you're trying to be funny (and not being funny). But there was nothing mediocre about Aaron's offensive numbers in any context.

[Dipre]

Batting average is merely a component of OBP and SLG. By itself it's meh.

[Bellhorn04]

No it wasn’t.

 

The point was “batting average is the least informative offensive stat.”

 

Let’s start simple - what does batting average tell you about a hitter?

 

You missed the post I was responding to. My point was that batting average still matters to players and fans.

 

But OK, let's look at OBP. What constitutes the greatest part of OBP?

 

BA is a starting point for measuring performance. If you have a .000 BA, there's no way the other numbers can be good.

[notin]

You missed the post I was responding to. My point was that batting average still matters to players and fans.

 

But OK, let's look at OBP. What constitutes the greatest part of OBP?

 

BA is a starting point for measuring performance. If you have a .000 BA, there's no way the other numbers can be good.

 

I’ve already mentioned it survives on its popularity. It’s not going anywhere, but what does it tell you?

[Old Red]

Batting average is merely a component of OBP and SLG. By itself it's meh.

 

But BA is what Hank Aaron liked the best, so it wasn’t meh to him. As always different strokes for different folks, and a good stroke will most likely get you a higher BA.

[Dipre]

You missed the post I was responding to. My point was that batting average still matters to players and fans.

 

But OK, let's look at OBP. What constitutes the greatest part of OBP?

 

BA is a starting point for measuring performance. If you have a .000 BA, there's no way the other numbers can be good.

 

That's a logical fallacy Bellhorn.

[notin]

You missed the post I was responding to. My point was that batting average still matters to players and fans.

 

But OK, let's look at OBP. What constitutes the greatest part of OBP?

 

BA is a starting point for measuring performance. If you have a .000 BA, there's no way the other numbers can be good.

 

So there’s no value in a player who goes 0 for 1 with 9 walks in 10 PA?

[Dipre]

But BA is what Hank Aaron liked the best, so it wasn’t meh to him. As always different strokes for different folks, and a good stroke will most likely get you a higher BA.

 

Yeah back in the day when they talked about horsepower, they meant literal horses, and we've moved on from that too. Even the older folk who loved riding horses have a car now.

[Bellhorn04]

So there’s no value in a player who goes 0 for 1 with 9 walks in 10 PA?

 

Tiny sample or unrealistic scenario - take your pick.

[Old Red]

I’ve already mentioned it survives on its popularity. It’s not going anywhere, but what does it tell you?

 

What it tells you, and tells me are two different things. We get it 65 times over just today on your opinion of BA, but it isn’t changing anyone’s opinion like me who has a different opinion.

[Old Red]

Yeah back in the day when they talked about horsepower, they meant literal horses, and we've moved on from that too. Even the older folk who loved riding horses have a car now.

 

Luckily you don’t speak for everyone, but nice try, and keep on trying.

[moonslav59]

And yet you only cite BA…

 

No, he used RBIs for Renfroe and only Renfroe, because it fit is narrative, better.

 

Career BA:

.241 Renfroe- RBIs matter more

.239 Kike- BA matters more

 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Yeah back in the day when they talked about horsepower, they meant literal horses, and we've moved on from that too. Even the older folk who loved riding horses have a car now.

 

Amazon uses cars for shipping. Nobody gets seasick unless they're texting.

[Bellhorn04]

Arraez has a slash line of 397/447/485 for an OPS of 931, and an OPS+ of 157.

 

Most of the OPS comes from the BA.

 

Is that a good thing, bad thing or neutral thing?

[Bellhorn04]

If you're hitting .397, the worst OPS you can have is .794, which is an OPS+ of 115-120.

 

So yeah, you want that guy in your lineup, even if you don't know what his OBP or SLG are.

[Elktonnick]

That's a logical fallacy Bellhorn.

 

Functionally batting average tells the frequency a ball player successfully puts a ball in play. Putting balls in play is an important function in and of itself. As a coach/ manager I want my players to put balls in play successfully. It is as simple as that.

[Bellhorn04]

That's a logical fallacy Bellhorn.

 

Explain?

[notin]

Tiny sample or unrealistic scenario - take your pick.

 

You made the sweeping generalization. I can apply realistic numbers if you like…

[Bellhorn04]

You made the sweeping generalization. I can apply realistic numbers if you like…

 

Then do so.

[notin]

Arraez has a slash line of 397/447/485 for an OPS of 931, and an OPS+ of 157.

 

Most of the OPS comes from the BA.

 

Is that a good thing, bad thing or neutral thing?

 

It’s a good thing, but you went beyond BA to get there.

 

Joey Meneses is batting .307. Ryan Noda is batting .249. Who is having the better season? (I avoided using Juan Soto here on purpose.)

[notin]

Then do so.

 

Ok.

 

If a player draws 3 walks and hits 2 sac flies but goes 0 for 5, is there value in that?