Red Sox trade for Adalberto Mondesi

[Hugh2]

Yeah, we're guessing about some guys that are still in the complex league. Nobody knows, not even the people that work with them everyday.

 

I mean, if you're projecting a future roster several years in the future and only include players under team control you have to pick from guys in your system. At that point in time a lot of your arbitration guys are gone, not resigned, and other contracts have expired, so of course it's going to be 19-year-old kids. The fact that the 2026 roster looks horrible. Now, Whitlock and Bello might take steps forward and maybe someone in the Cruz/Walter/Perales group pops and then that rotation might have potential. It's tough to say. But I think the futures page does a great job of outlining organizational depth and seeing area of needs.

 

Where they look thin in the system in 2026/27 is where they should be focusing on development now. Of course, you can always rob peter to pay paul.

[bkzwhitestrican]

I actually think this was a good move by Boston. True Mondesi is injury prone, but he's a former top 5 prospect who is still only 26, plays good defense at SS and other positions, has elite speed, and despite the sub .300 OBP he has still posted over a .700 OPS the last 4 seasons (excluding last season when he barely played). Obviously the key with him is health, but this was a high reward low risk move.

[moonslav59]

I actually think this was a good move by Boston. True Mondesi is injury prone, but he's a former top 5 prospect who is still only 26, plays good defense at SS and other positions, has elite speed, and despite the sub .300 OBP he has still posted over a .700 OPS the last 4 seasons (excluding last season when he barely played). Obviously the key with him is health, but this was a high reward low risk move.

 

Exactly, and it's not like Taylor was on anyone's excitement list.

[jacksonianmarch]

He’s still rehabbing and may not be ready for opening day

[mvp 78]

He’s still rehabbing and may not be ready for opening day

 

Taylor or Mondesi? Both?

[moonslav59]

Taylor or Mondesi? Both?

 

soxprospects.com has Mondesi and Story on the inactive list with "IL" next to their names.

[mvp 78]

Bloom had this update last night:

 

“He’s still rehabbing that injury. We’re going to take over that rehab. He’s going to come from the Dominican to Florida later this week. There is still a ways to go with that. Our expectation is that he may be a little delayed to start the season, but opening day is still a possibility. With an athlete like this, I wouldn’t rule it out. ... We are expecting him, whether he’s on time or not to contribute for the bulk of the year.”

[notin]

soxprospects.com has Mondesi and Story on the inactive list with "IL" next to their names.

 

Rotoworld says Mondesi is still rehabbing his knee and might not be ready for Opening Day

[mvp 78]

Rotoworld says Mondesi is still rehabbing his knee and might not be ready for Opening Day

 

But Bloom expects him to "contribute for the bulk of the year" so that's good.

[Larry Cook]

Arroyo, mondesi, sale, and Paxton! Our medical staff will be working overtime again in 2023.

[a700hitter]

Paxton, Modesi, Sale and Kluber will be enjoying many rounds of golf together.

[mvp 78]

Paxton, Modesi, Sale and Kluber will be enjoying many rounds of golf together.

 

I think Kluber is much more likely to be healthy than the other 3. Paxton and Mondesi have almost no shot of having a full season.

[moonslav59]

I think Kluber is much more likely to be healthy than the other 3. Paxton and Mondesi have almost no shot of having a full season.

 

Agreed, and Sale is the "tweener."

[mvp 78]

Agreed, and Sale is the "tweener."

 

Theoretically, I can see a possibility of him pitching a full season. Not likely, but I can see it happening. Paxton and Mondesi going wire to wire? Hell no.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I think Kluber is much more likely to be healthy than the other 3. Paxton and Mondesi have almost no shot of having a full season.

 

I don't have any more faith in Kluber than I do in Sale. Even though Kluber pitched a full season in '22 for the first time since '18, he'll be 37 in April.

 

If Sale doesn't have as much mileage on his arm after last year, then Kluber does. Old guys break down.

[mvp 78]

I don't have any more faith in Kluber than I do in Sale. Even though Kluber pitched a full season in '22 for the first time since '18, he'll be 37 in April.

 

If Sale doesn't have as much mileage on his arm after last year, then Kluber does. Old guys break down.

 

For me, Kluber has at least shown that he can get through a whole season in 2022 (31 GS). Sale hasn't since 2017. Paxton has come closer more recently than Sale when he threw 29 in 2019. The last time Adalberto played 120+ games in a year was in 2013.

[moonslav59]

Theoretically, I can see a possibility of him pitching a full season. Not likely, but I can see it happening. Paxton and Mondesi going wire to wire? Hell no.

 

That's how I see it.

 

The thing with Mondesi is that he's had about 12 different injuries. I guess Sale is trying to catch up. The "good thing" about Sale is that his arm and elbow should be fine and well rested.

[moonslav59]

I don't have any more faith in Kluber than I do in Sale. Even though Kluber pitched a full season in '22 for the first time since '18, he'll be 37 in April.

 

If Sale doesn't have as much mileage on his arm after last year, then Kluber does. Old guys break down.

 

Sale has more MLB IP'd than Kluber, despite the age difference.

 

1678 in 12 yrs- Sale

 

1587 in 12 yrs- Kluber

 

Overall, at all levels, yes, Kluber has significantly more.

 

2385 Kluber in 16 seasons

1724 Sale in 12 seasons

 

Recency factor (last 5 seasons):

 

496 Kluber

354 Sale

 

[notin]

Sale has more MLB IP'd than Kluber, despite the age difference.

 

1678 in 12 yrs- Sale

 

1587 in 12 yrs- Kluber

 

Overall, at all levels, yes, Kluber has significantly more.

 

2385 Kluber in 16 seasons

1724 Sale in 12 seasons

 

Recency factor (last 5 seasons):

 

496 Kluber

354 Sale

 

 

 

What will really make or beak this season for the Sox are starters 6-10.

 

If Bello is one, that’s good. Crawford looked acceptable for stretches last year. Winckowski appears to be a RP to me, but will need to improve on his 71 IP questionable performance. Houck will create a void in the bullpen (which I’d prefer Winckowski fill over a rotation spot). Walter and Murphy are unknowns.

 

A veteran or two on an MiLB contract might be preferable here…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

For me, Kluber has at least shown that he can get through a whole season in 2022 (31 GS). Sale hasn't since 2017. Paxton has come closer more recently than Sale when he threw 29 in 2019. The last time Adalberto played 120+ games in a year was in 2013.

 

2013! No wonder: his diet back then was twizzlers and jolly ranchers.

[mvp 78]

That's how I see it.

 

The thing with Mondesi is that he's had about 12 different injuries. I guess Sale is trying to catch up. The "good thing" about Sale is that his arm and elbow should be fine and well rested.

 

With Sale's body type, injury history and age, I don't know if well rested matters.

[mvp 78]

What will really make or beak this season for the Sox are starters 6-10.

 

If Bello is one, that’s good. Crawford looked acceptable for stretches last year. Winckowski appears to be a RP to me, but will need to improve on his 71 IP questionable performance. Houck will create a void in the bullpen (which I’d prefer Winckowski fill over a rotation spot). Walter and Murphy are unknowns.

 

A veteran or two on an MiLB contract might be preferable here…

 

You don't see Bello being in the starting rotation on Opening Day?

[moonslav59]

What will really make or beak this season for the Sox are starters 6-10.

 

If Bello is one, that’s good. Crawford looked acceptable for stretches last year. Winckowski appears to be a RP to me, but will need to improve on his 71 IP questionable performance. Houck will create a void in the bullpen (which I’d prefer Winckowski fill over a rotation spot). Walter and Murphy are unknowns.

 

A veteran or two on an MiLB contract might be preferable here…

 

I kinda like our depth.

 

I see Bello as a sure top 5 SP'er. Paxton is #6 in my book.

 

I see Crawford and Wink as acceptable depth that may or may not improve. We should know, if they look like better opti9ons than Mata, Walter and Murphy by the time the first one is needed.

 

I've thought all along, we should not count on Sale & Paxton for anything, and certainly more than 30 starts combined, but it looks like we are. That being said, I do still have hopes in Sale. I think he has a strong drive to want to return and to want to do great. I know that does not mean much, but it would not shock me, if he pitches 150+ nice innings, this year. To me, Paxton is a complete wild card.

[mvp 78]

2013! No wonder: his diet back then was twizzlers and jolly ranchers.

 

Hmmm, 2013?

 

I'm surprised he wasn't injured doing a viral Harlem Shake video and trying to figure out what the Fox says.

[Bellhorn04]

I don't have any more faith in Kluber than I do in Sale. Even though Kluber pitched a full season in '22 for the first time since '18, he'll be 37 in April.

 

If Sale doesn't have as much mileage on his arm after last year, then Kluber does. Old guys break down.

 

Now here we have an interesting wager: who pitches more innings, Sale or Kluber.

[mvp 78]

Now here we have an interesting wager: who pitches more innings, Sale or Kluber.

 

Klubs +30 INN

[moonslav59]

Klubs +30 INN

 

I'd put it closer to 50 IP more for Kluber.

[notin]

I'd put it closer to 50 IP more for Kluber.

 

Last year it was 158 IP…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Now here we have an interesting wager: who pitches more innings, Sale or Kluber.

 

I'll raise you Whitlock over either of them or Paxton. You know, these ole warhorses, we gotta take care of them. I'd say Bello, but you know these young prospects, don't wanna burn them out.

 

Whitlock is locked up, has the arsenal to go three times through, and the reliever gloves are off.

[notin]

The Mariners DFAd former top prospect LHP Justus Sheffield.

 

Sheffield has struggled but mostly been used as a starter. Wondering if the Sox might have interest in him as a replacement for departed LHRPs Taylor, Hernandez and Strahm…