Story has surgery

[jad]

In the fairy tales, the tortoise wins. In real life?

 

Probably more like these two.

 

[notin]

Probably more like these two.

 

 

That was a terrible thing to do to Danny Trejo!!

[mvp 78]

He certainly has some risk.

 

TJ surgeries typically last for about 600 IP before a second surgery is required. Whitlock has only 150 IP since his surgery, so his risk might not be too high…

 

I’m also just thinking that he missed substantial time last year due to an additional injury.

[moonslav59]

How many surgeries does it take to classify a player as injury prone?

 

My only issue was the word "extreme" not "injury prone."

[a700hitter]

Oh, …. I see the distinction… or do I?

[moonslav59]

Oh, …. I see the distinction… or do I?

 

You don't have to. I just thought the word "extremely" was over the top. You don't. That's fine.

 

To me: Extreme >> Substantial.

[notin]

I’m also just thinking that he missed substantial time last year due to an additional injury.

 

And like I said about Bello - every starting pitcher is an injury risk.

 

 

(OK maybe not Rick Porcello. But the rest are.)

[moonslav59]

I'm think we can expect...

 

28-33 GSd from Pivetta

25-30 Bello & Whitlock

23-28 Kluber

0-24 Sale & Paxton

The good thing is all 6 are seemingly healthy, right now.

 

??? Winckowski, Crawford, Mata, Walter, Murphy

 

[Bellhorn04]

I'm think we can expect...

 

28-33 GSd from Pivetta

25-30 Bello & Whitlock

23-28 Kluber

0-24 Sale & Paxton

The good thing is all 6 are seemingly healthy, right now.

 

What exactly do we know about Sale & Paxton's health right now?

[mvp 78]

What exactly do we know about Sale & Paxton's health right now?

 

They are both presumably breathing and anticipating a paycheck this season.

[mvp 78]

Duran career: 335 PA -0.8 fWAR

Dalbec 2022: 353 PA -0.1 fWAR

 

Considering that Dalbec was ok from 20-21, I think I'd be less inclined to give up on him than Duran.

[moonslav59]

What exactly do we know about Sale & Paxton's health right now?

 

Nothing bad or new.

[notin]

What exactly do we know about Sale & Paxton's health right now?

 

Neither got hurt all week, as far as we know…

[notin]

Duran career: 335 PA -0.8 fWAR

Dalbec 2022: 353 PA -0.1 fWAR

 

Considering that Dalbec was ok from 20-21, I think I'd be less inclined to give up on him than Duran.

 

I’d also be more inclined to make Dalbec an outfielder. He has the tools to be successful - he’s surprisingly fast and has an absolute cannon for an arm. I’m inclined to say he’s more accurate with it than Verdugo, but we really haven’t seen that yet (although one might think his background as a Division I pitcher should allow for some accuracy).

 

Duran should be dealt for a stopgap shortstop. Then sign Profar for 2b (and DFA Ort, finally)…

[mvp 78]

I’d also be more inclined to make Dalbec an outfielder. He has the tools to be successful - he’s surprisingly fast and has an absolute cannon for an arm. I’m inclined to say he’s more accurate with it than Verdugo, but we really haven’t seen that yet (although one might think his background as a Division I pitcher should allow for some accuracy).

 

Duran should be dealt for a stopgap shortstop. Then sign Profar for 2b (and DFA Ort, finally)…

 

Dalbec is also a faster runner than Verdugo. Depening on how well he tracks flyballs, he could actually be pretty good as a corner OFer.

 

They definitely need reliable guys who can cover innings somewhere. If Profar can start 120+ at 2B, that would be huge. We know Arroyo can't. I think they should just sign Iggy and be done with it. Sox fans would be ok with that as a transition.

[moonslav59]

Neither got hurt all week, as far as we know…

 

I still think we should wrap Sale up in bubble wrap and cut a hole for him to breathe.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I think they should just sign Iggy and be done with it. Sox fans would be ok with that as a transition.

 

Patience.

 

You know Chaim would be remiss if he didn't explore all possible options, including those we abhor as all probable outcomes. He wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't wait and let other GMs do his job for him by signing or trading for almost any availables, thus narrowing the field and eliminating the chance for spending more money and years on stopgaps we're all clamoring for.

 

Bloom will get us a shortstop and second baseman and MLB outfielder and catcher and under-the-hill under-control starting pitcher with control.

 

And when he does -- remember what he promised at Raffy's presser -- "it's going to be awesome."

[moonslav59]

Patience.

 

You know Chaim would be remiss if he didn't explore all possible options, including those we abhor as all probable outcomes. He wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't wait and let other GMs do his job for him by signing or trading for almost any availables, thus narrowing the field and eliminating the chance for spending more money and years on stopgaps we're all clamoring for.

 

Bloom will get us a shortstop and second baseman and MLB outfielder and catcher and under-the-hill under-control starting pitcher with control.

 

And when he does -- remember what he promised at Raffy's presser -- "it's going to be awesome."

 

My guess is Bloom will add 3-4 of those 5 slots you mentioned with a closer chance at 2 than all 5.

 

Certain:

SS or 2B

CF

 

Near Certain:

2B or SS (whichever one he does not get above)

 

Maybe:

Catcher (Wong starts in AAA)

 

Doubtful:

SP or RP (I think he feel the 6 SP'ers we have: Sale, Paxton, Kluber, Whitlock, Bello and Pivetta will provide 5 on opening day.)

 

I think Bloom also likes Crawford, Winckowski, Mata, Walter and Murphy as SP'er depth more than what he had in 2020, 2021 and 2022. IMO, he's more likely to add RP'er than a SP'er before opening day., unless Sale or paxton hurt themselves opening a loaf of bread.

 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I think Bloom also likes Crawford, Winckowski, Mata, Walter and Murphy as SP'er depth more than what he had in 2020, 2021 and 2022. IMO, he's more likely to add RP'er than a SP'er before opening day., unless Sale or paxton hurt themselves opening a loaf of bread.

 

 

I've never heard Bloom mention any of these young pitchers by name in any conversation about the MLB roster for '23, but nothing would give a fan more hope for the staff than if one or two of them emerged as next-level legitimate in Florida, beginning next month.

 

To me, that would be even more encouraging than watching one of the oldsters get their sea legs back on the mound (since we all expect them to start wobbling again soon).

[moonslav59]

I've never heard Bloom mention any of these young pitchers by name in any conversation about the MLB roster for '23, but nothing would give a fan more hope for the staff than if one or two of them emerged as next-level legitimate in Florida, beginning next month.

 

To me, that would be even more encouraging than watching one of the oldsters get their sea legs back on the mound (since we all expect them to start wobbling again soon).

 

From masslive... (They add Houck to the mix at SP'er, which makes 7 plus the depth I mentioned.)

 

Boston currently has Chris Sale, Nick Pivetta, Corey Kluber, James Paxton, Garrett Whitlock, Brayan Bello and Tanner Houck in its rotation mix and feels confident that it will be able to have a representative starting five from those options once the season begins. To that end, chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom said Tuesday, adding rotation depth is no longer a priority. The addition of Kluber, which is expected to become official this week, has the Red Sox feeling like they are covered in terms of rotation arms with young pitchers Kutter Crawford, Josh Winckowski, Connor Seabold, Bryan Mata, Chris Murphy and Brandon Walter providing added depth. The Red Sox, Bloom said, are still interested in adding an impact arm.

 

“You never have as much depth as you need but I wouldn’t say we’re looking to add more depth to the rotation as much as making sure we’re in play when there are impact guys available, especially if they are impact guys that can be part of this group for a long time,” Bloom said.

 

“Generally speaking, most of our focus has been on the position player side of things. With that said, there are starting pitching targets that we’ve stayed engaged with,” Bloom said. “Just the way that things have played out for us, we feel like we’ve been able to give ourselves a lot of different options in our rotation. It’s something we wanted to do, especially knowing there’s some different kinds of health histories with some of the guys we have.

 

“I think position player-wise, the roster is less complete and that has been more of our focus,” he added. “But it would be a mistake to disengage from the starting pitching market.”

[mvp 78]

Patience.

 

You know Chaim would be remiss if he didn't explore all possible options, including those we abhor as all probable outcomes. He wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't wait and let other GMs do his job for him by signing or trading for almost any availables, thus narrowing the field and eliminating the chance for spending more money and years on stopgaps we're all clamoring for.

 

Bloom will get us a shortstop and second baseman and MLB outfielder and catcher and under-the-hill under-control starting pitcher with control.

 

And when he does -- remember what he promised at Raffy's presser -- "it's going to be awesome."

 

awesome: extremely impressive or daunting; inspiring great admiration, apprehension, or fear

 

I agree with Chaim's assessment then!

[moonslav59]

awesome: extremely impressive or daunting; inspiring great admiration, apprehension, or fear

 

I agree with Chaim's assessment then!

 

Yes, no more lies!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

awesome: extremely impressive or daunting; inspiring great admiration, apprehension, or fear

 

I agree with Chaim's assessment then!

 

Maybe it will be awesome, but just hearing Mr. Bloom address his students the other day sure sounded like a 4th grade teacher trying to contrive enthusiasm for their next Social Studies unit: the Oregon Trail!

 

"No wifi, no headphones, no cell towers... but covered wagons! on dirt roads! for days and weeks and months!"

[mvp 78]

Maybe it will be awesome, but just hearing Mr. Bloom address his students the other day sure sounded like a 4th grade teacher trying to contrive enthusiasm for their next Social Studies unit: the Oregon Trail!

 

"No wifi, no headphones, no cell towers... but covered wagons! on dirt roads! for days and weeks and months!"

 

"That's when the cannibalism started."

[notin]

Maybe it will be awesome, but just hearing Mr. Bloom address his students the other day sure sounded like a 4th grade teacher trying to contrive enthusiasm for their next Social Studies unit: the Oregon Trail!

 

"No wifi, no headphones, no cell towers... but covered wagons! on dirt roads! for days and weeks and months!"

 

And all of that just to get to Oregon! You know they got to the end of that trail and thought “Really?? This it is?!? I’d rather just get dysentery!”

[jad]

The RS still have Dalbec and Duran?? Why? Bec. they contribute so much more to the team than, say, Vaz or Bogey of course or Hosmer? Or because Pedroia started slow (not for long), now we assume when any young player sucks consistently, they will magically become All-Stars overnight? Like Franchy maybe?

[moonslav59]

The RS still have Dalbec and Duran?? Why? Bec. they contribute so much more to the team than, say, Vaz or Bogey of course or Hosmer? Or because Pedroia started slow (not for long), now we assume when any young player sucks consistently, they will magically become All-Stars overnight? Like Franchy maybe?

 

No, but you get rid of players with less promise, first.

 

I'd rather keep D & D over Braier and Ort, but that might be the whole list.

 

Dalbec has actually had 2 pretty long stretches of hitting very well, one hitting okay and 2 really bad. I'd give him another year in AAA. He has options remaining.

 

Duran has options, too, but he needs to really impress me, in AAA, to feel he should get another look-see on the big club.

 

They both may be gone by opening day.

[notin]

The RS still have Dalbec and Duran?? Why? Bec. they contribute so much more to the team than, say, Vaz or Bogey of course or Hosmer? Or because Pedroia started slow (not for long), now we assume when any young player sucks consistently, they will magically become All-Stars overnight? Like Franchy maybe?

 

So if the Sox DFAd Duran and Dalbec over Hosmer, you would have liked that and not complained about dealing away any potential?

 

If you don’t like that the Sox kept them over Bogaerts and Vazquez, take it to with the MLBPA and their demands for free agency…

[moonslav59]

So if the Sox DFAd Duran and Dalbec over Hosmer, you would have liked that and not complained about dealing away any potential?

 

If you don’t like that the Sox kept them over Bogaerts and Vazquez, take it to with the MLBPA and their demands for free agency…

 

No, you got it wrong. Bloom convinced JH & Co. that D & D were better than Bogey, Vaz, Nate and Wacha.

[notin]

No, you got it wrong. Bloom convinced JH & Co. that D & D were better than Bogey, Vaz, Nate and Wacha.

 

And that Arroyo was better than JD…