Story has surgery

[Old Red]

The word "bashing" is actually an understatement when it comes to your obsessive absurdities related to Bloom bashing. You even blamed him for a player extensions made by DD.

 

All because you disliked the hiring day one, and want to show how right you were. yes, we know why.

It’s bashing as you call it. I call it constructive criticism, and he gives plenty of things to criticize. I’d rather be a critic than a brown noser.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

They need to figure out more quickly when they are at the last resort stage. Or maybe do a better job of examining a player before inking him for more than $100 million. This is incompetence all the way. This isn’t an injury suffered after he was signed.

 

The Story narrative officially sucks. It sucks that he missed almost the entire second half of last season, and will now miss at least the first half of this season (and that he struck out 30 percent of the time when he played). Most injuries are unpredictable, but everyone saw this one coming.

 

Masa Yoshida better be good. We've got one last chance to make it real...

[moonslav59]

It’s bashing as you call it. I call it constructive criticism, and he gives plenty of things to criticize. I’d rather be a critic than a brown noser.

 

You forget all the times I have criticized Bloom. I can count all the times you praise him on your one, shiny & polished turd in your back pocket.

[moonslav59]

The Story narrative officially sucks. It sucks that he missed almost the entire second half of last season, and will now miss at least the first half of this season (and that he struck out 30 percent of the time when he played). Most injuries are unpredictable, but everyone saw this one coming.

 

Masa Yoshida better be good. We've got one last chance to make it real...

 

We're down to Yoshida & Sale.

 

Geeesh!

[Old Red]

Once you prove he did not read the report, or the reports say he should not be signed, because the risk is too high for elbow surgery, I'll be on the front seat of the bashing Bloom Bandwagon on this issue.

 

Now, I await how you mash this statement into something close to opposite of what I said.

 

Once again no one said he did not read any reports. The point I raised in the first place was there anything in the medicals that was missed. The Giants, and Mets both just raised questions on medicals on Correa, so it’s not that uncommon.

[Bobe2]

You know the brilliant thing about Bloom is by hiring old and injured ball players he always has a built in excuse for losing

[Old Red]

You forget all the times I have criticized Bloom. I can count all the times you praise him on your one, shiny & polished turd in your back pocket.

 

Yes you partially criticize Bloom on occasion, but like another poster pointed out it’s not all out, and there is usually a but, or a blame to someone else to go along with it. I don’t have to praise Bloom for anything he does much to your chagrin.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

You know the brilliant thing about Bloom is by hiring old and injured ball players he always has a built in excuse for losing

 

Don't worry, the Red Sox already hired a police escort to bring back Stephen Drew to play shortstop. And JD Drew to play right field. And Nancy Drew to solve the starting rotation.

[Hugh2]

Again, surgery is always the last resort…

 

I can get the criticism for signing Story in the first place with these concerns BUT complaining about the timing is just stupid built on top of stupid. Surgery is always a last resort, and often can be avoided, sometimes unfortunately this is NOT the case. We have no ideal how Story looked a few months ago, some who suggest he should have just had surgery sooner when it’s a maybe he recovers because it can make a fans life easier has got to be the thing most lacking of empathy you can think of. Not surprised by where it’s coming from on this forum. Even simple surgeries can go wrong, people die from basic procedures everyday in this country, and there’s a whole host of infections that a very dangerous that come with surgery as well. Also, hospitals have been backed up and strained lately with procedures being put off and back up.

 

Again, I get the anger over the signing, but questioning the timing I hope people reconsider. I know no one changes their opinions on anything in here but now would be a nice time for people to basic good human beings.

Edited January 10, 2023 by A Red Sox fan named Hugh

[moonslav59]

Once again no one said he did not read any reports. The point I raised in the first place was there anything in the medicals that was missed. The Giants, and Mets both just raised questions on medicals on Correa, so it’s not that uncommon.

 

Where did I ever come close to refuting this?

 

And when you say, "No, but he gets the reports, or at least should have." It sounds like you think he might not have read them, or why say, "at least he should have." But again, words have totally different meanings to you, so I must just be overanalyzing, again, something you always say when someone points out your words have a certain common meaning to everyone in the world but you.

[Bobe2]

Don't worry, the Red Sox already hired a police escort to bring back Stephen Drew to play shortstop. And JD Drew to play right field. And Nancy Drew to solve the starting rotation.

 

Finally an upgrade

[Old Red]

Where did I ever come close to refuting this?

 

And when you say, "No, but he gets the reports, or at least should have." It sounds like you think he might not have read them, or why say, "at least he should have." But again, words have totally different meanings to you, so I must just be overanalyzing, again, something you always say when someone points out your words have a certain common meaning to everyone in the world but you.

Yes once again you over analyzed, and got things wrong. That we agree on, but it’s nothing new.Just a repeat over, and over again.

[Old Red]

I can get the criticism for signing Story in the first place with these concerns BUT complaining about the timing is just stupid built on top of stupid. Surgery is always a last resort, and often can be avoided, sometimes unfortunately this is NOT the case. We have no ideal how Story looked a few months ago, some who suggest he should have just had surgery sooner when it’s a maybe he recovers because it can make a fans life easier has got to be the thing most lacking of empathy you can think of. Not surprised by where it’s coming from on this forum. Even simple surgeries can go wrong, people die from basic procedures everyday in this country, and there’s a whole host of infections that a very dangerous that come with surgery as well. Also, hospitals have been backed up and strained lately with procedures being put off and back up.

 

Again, I get the anger over the signing, but questioning the timing I hope people reconsider. I know no one changes their opinions on anything in here but now would be a nice time for people to basic good human beings.

 

All I questioned was there anything missed in the medicals when he was signed when there were already reports he had a bad elbow. Sounded like a logical question to me.

[Hugh2]

All I questioned was there anything missed in the medicals when he was signed when there were already reports he had a bad elbow. Sounded like a logical question to me.

 

I agree. I was the cheer leader for Story staying at 2nd because of his elbow.

[moonslav59]

Yes you partially criticize Bloom on occasion, but like another poster pointed out it’s not all out, and there is usually a but, or a blame to someone else to go along with it. I don’t have to praise Bloom for anything he does much to your chagrin.

 

I was harshly criticized for calling the JBJ trade horrific and a "head scratcher." I said the Diekman trade was "horrific." I hated the Paxton, Richards and Perez signings and a lot of things you didn't hate, so you don't see it as criticism. Like, I wanted a fire sale, and you did not. It was a huge mistake not to have a fire sale, or at least a mini one to get under the tax line. You criticized me for giving up, and didn't even notice that was a Bloom (and Henry) bash.

 

I did not like many of his signings in 2020 or 2021. I said it then.

 

When people criticize Bloom for things I might even agree with but that might need context added, or for things I do not think he deserves to be criticized for, I speak up. Because the bashing is so absurdly frequent and obsessive it makes it look like I'm only posting glorifying posts about Bloom. That's how you see it, when I see it as just countering absurd extremism.

 

I don't blame Bloom for being handed a farm that produced just Houck since the Devers call-up in 2017 (5 years).

I don't blame Bloom for not signing superstars when made to massively cut the budget year one and to slowly add over the next 2 winters.

I don't blame Bloom for not trading top prospects so his resume looks better, today.

I don't blame Bloom for the Betts or Beni trades. Both made sense under the circumstances handed to him. I'm not happy about them, but I don't Blame Bloom for those two deals.

 

He should have extended Betts, Bogey and Devers, long ago. Maybe DD shoulda-coulda, too, but Bloom can and should be criticized for not doing so. I'm glad he did not extend Beni, JBJ, ERod and some others that declined. (No credit given, there.)

He should have done better with many of his signings, but again, I did not expect greatness from $5-7M contracts.

 

I weigh the good and bad and look at the circumstances he had. I wish he'd done better, but I like the direction of the farm and the influx of young players we should start seeing, this season. I think that's what he was hired to do, and has not missed that mark. If you call that brown-nosing, I'd say it's your warped sense of perspective that is the issue. You are the extremist. I try to take a balanced approach and always have.

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[moonslav59]

Yes once again you over analyzed.

 

Like clockwork.

 

"at least he should have" does not mean there is doubt he did look at the reports.

 

Got it. I misread your clear statement.

 

Rinse and repeat.

[moonslav59]

All I questioned was there anything missed in the medicals when he was signed when there were already reports he had a bad elbow. Sounded like a logical question to me.

 

Totally logical question, but someone leaped right into it being Bloom's fault- by default, it seems.

[notin]

I can get the criticism for signing Story in the first place with these concerns BUT complaining about the timing is just stupid built on top of stupid. Surgery is always a last resort, and often can be avoided, sometimes unfortunately this is NOT the case. We have no ideal how Story looked a few months ago, some who suggest he should have just had surgery sooner when it’s a maybe he recovers because it can make a fans life easier has got to be the thing most lacking of empathy you can think of. Not surprised by where it’s coming from on this forum. Even simple surgeries can go wrong, people die from basic procedures everyday in this country, and there’s a whole host of infections that a very dangerous that come with surgery as well. Also, hospitals have been backed up and strained lately with procedures being put off and back up.

 

Again, I get the anger over the signing, but questioning the timing I hope people reconsider. I know no one changes their opinions on anything in here but now would be a nice time for people to basic good human beings.

 

I agree.

 

This really isn’t about Bogaerts. They felt Story’s elbow was good enough 10 months ago, and he didn’t need surgery then. Now he does, but a lot could have happened since. Actually a lot did happen.

 

That Bogaerts wasn’t re-signed was very likely because of his glove. Bloom and/or others didn’t think it would play out very well. Everyone knew the bat want the issue. I’ve theorized Bogaets might have been reluctant to move, which certainly explains the short term offer. But it’s a theory, since I don’t sit in on those things like some people do.

 

But now Story, whom I was never wild about anyway, is out and the Sox need to move forward and get two middle infielders. I don’t think anyone is considering Arroyo or Valdez as starters. More likely now the Sox do bring in Joey Wendle, who was recently displaced from his starting role in Miami. Royce Lewis also got pushed down a rung on the depth chart, but he still might not be available.

 

One guy who is available is St. Louis Paul DeJong, whom I’ve (unfairly) compared Story to. DeJong is a very good defensive SS with power, but he has had way too many issues actually making contact. Which is a pity as he is a definite Fenway Swing. I could see one of those “we’ll take him and his $9mill salary off your hands if you just throw in a prospect” type deals.

 

On offense, Story had a .737 OPS last year (OPS+ 102), and replacing that won’t be a killer task. (Wendle’s career 101 is roughly equal.) So really they just need a glove.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

No reason to spend any more money on acquisitions for '23 now. But -- looking forward to some February rookie excitement in Florida!

 

Not going to suggest Mayer, who just turned 20 (only top prospects like Raffy and Xander make the bigs at that age)... but how about Valdez hitting bombs over palm trees and platooning at 2B, or Rafaela and Duran splitting CF and stealing first (now that Kike's our SS).

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I don’t think anyone is considering Arroyo or Valdez as starters.

 

I am -- in Florida next month. Throw them right in there and see what they got (with no pressure, since only Sam Kennedy thinks we're winning the World Series). There will be plenty of cheap replacement players available by the end of March if the front office thinks we still need to pretend.

[moonslav59]

I agree.

 

This really isn’t about Bogaerts. They felt Story’s elbow was good enough 10 months ago, and he didn’t need surgery then. Now he does, but a lot could have happened since. Actually a lot did happen.

 

That Bogaerts wasn’t re-signed was very likely because of his glove. Bloom and/or others didn’t think it would play out very well. Everyone knew the bat want the issue. I’ve theorized Bogaets might have been reluctant to move, which certainly explains the short term offer. But it’s a theory, since I don’t sit in on those things like some people do.

 

But now Story, whom I was never wild about anyway, is out and the Sox need to move forward and get two middle infielders. I don’t think anyone is considering Arroyo or Valdez as starters. More likely now the Sox do bring in Joey Wendle, who was recently displaced from his starting role in Miami. Royce Lewis also got pushed down a rung on the depth chart, but he still might not be available.

 

One guy who is available is St. Louis Paul DeJong, whom I’ve (unfairly) compared Story to. DeJong is a very good defensive SS with power, but he has had way too many issues actually making contact. Which is a pity as he is a definite Fenway Swing. I could see one of those “we’ll take him and his $9mill salary off your hands if you just throw in a prospect” type deals.

 

On offense, Story had a .737 OPS last year (OPS+ 102), and replacing that won’t be a killer task. (Wendle’s career 101 is roughly equal.) So really they just need a glove.

 

Why no love for M Rojas, and no, don't call him a utility IF'er.

[Bobe2]

I am -- in Florida next month. Throw them right in there and see what they got (with no pressure, since only Sam Kennedy thinks we're winning the World Series). There will be plenty of cheap replacement players available by the end of March if the front office thinks we still need to pretend.

 

I bet there’s at least one person in the organization that wishes that Jeter Downs hadn’t been dfa’d now, he wasn’t the greatest but he was better than nothing

[jacksonianmarch]

Why no love for M Rojas, and no, don't call him a utility IF'er.

 

He's a 1.2-1.7WAR player. He maxed out at 2.1 last year. He is not an answer

[notin]

Why no love for M Rojas, and no, don't call him a utility IF'er.

 

He’s the only shortstop on the Marlins’ roster, so he might not be so available. Which I believe the Sox have already learned…

[notin]

I bet there’s at least one person in the organization that wishes that Jeter Downs hadn’t been dfa’d now, he wasn’t the greatest but he was better than nothing

 

Valid point.

 

Right now the Sox shortstop is… Arroyo? Goodrum? Downs could put himself into that mix…

[Old Red]

Valid point.

 

Right now the Sox shortstop is… Arroyo? Goodrum? Downs could put himself into that mix…

 

Kike would be the best option right now of who is on the roster to move into the SS position.

[Bobe2]

Valid point.

 

Right now the Sox shortstop is… Arroyo? Goodrum? Downs could put himself into that mix…

 

There really are no words to describe this off-season. Someone should be held accountable.

[moonslav59]

He's a 1.2-1.7WAR player. He maxed out at 2.1 last year. He is not an answer

 

I'm talking as a bridge SS to Mayer and as a better choice than Wendle.

 

Now that Story is out, we need Rojas and Wendle.

[moonslav59]

He’s the only shortstop on the Marlins’ roster, so he might not be so available. Which I believe the Sox have already learned…

 

I believe, they've already said Chisolm is moving to SS.

[Bellhorn04]

Wishful thinking, but this wouldn't be so bad if it compels them to sign Andrus.