Would you root for Trevor Bauer?

[Jasonbay44]

I get what you're saying, I absolutely do, and in general I agree with you. There are so many cases of men getting away with crimes, and it's infuriating.

 

In Bauer's case, it was pretty extensively investigated, and he did have some significant consequences. The system did its job to the best of its ability, I think.

 

I don’t disagree with the way the case was handled and with what you are saying. The woman definitely didn’t help herself or the case by for some reason agreeing to meet with Bauer a second time.

 

However, Bauer many times has either commented or tweeted basically admitting guilt and what he did. He literally made comments about not realizing “how hard he hit her” or “how many times he hit her” or “I thought she was conscious”.

 

He might be “innocent” in the eyes of the law, but everyone knows what he did. He didn’t get that suspension and the dodgers aren’t letting him walk if they truly thought he was innocent.

[jad]

Better question is, if the Sox signed him, would you root for him? The answer is rhetorical, we all know you guys would. The same if he signed for the Yanks. Here’s the deal, this guy is a creep but he didn’t get charged and just completed his suspension. He’s an ace level pitcher who will get his shot with someone while making MLB minimum wage. Deshaun Watson just came back to the highest monetary guarantee in his sport after raping 20+ women. It’s gonna happen and we should all be prepared for it

 

I don't know who "we" are in your rhetorical question. I absolutely would not root for him. But apparently, if he pitched for NY, you would. At least, that's what you just admitted. And to say DW is guilty of 'rape' rather than 'sexual assault' is needless and incendiary. I won't be rooting for him either. But again, from what you say above, apparently you will.

[StephenCurry30]

I don't know who "we" are in your rhetorical question. I absolutely would not root for him. But apparently, if he pitched for NY, you would. At least, that's what you just admitted. And to say DW is guilty of 'rape' rather than 'sexual assault' is needless and incendiary. I won't be rooting for him either. But again, from what you say above, apparently you will.

 

Deshaun Watson IS a rapist. why don’t you go tell his 28 victims it wasn’t rape

 

f*** DESHAUN THE RAPIST WATSON

[moonslav59]

I get what you're saying, I absolutely do, and in general I agree with you. There are so many cases of men getting away with crimes, and it's infuriating.

 

In Bauer's case, it was pretty extensively investigated, and he did have some significant consequences. The system did its job to the best of its ability, I think.

 

The bar is set high for conviction.

 

Sometimes, there is ample "evidence," but the prosecution knows that it will be hard to get a conviction, especially on a rich guy with top lawyers.

 

Hell, they couldn't even convict OJ.

[harmony]

I get what you're saying, I absolutely do, and in general I agree with you. There are so many cases of men getting away with crimes, and it's infuriating.

In Bauer's case, it was pretty extensively investigated, and he did have some significant consequences. The system did its job to the best of its ability, I think.

The criminal justice system is an imprecise institution that occasionally convicts the innocent or acquits the guilty. The former is more concerning than the latter.

[moonslav59]

The criminal justice system is an imprecise institution that occasionally convicts the innocent or acquits the guilty. The former is more concerning than the latter.

 

Not to tho those the guilty hurt or any future ones they may harm.

[jad]

Deshaun Watson IS a rapist. why don’t you go tell his 28 victims it wasn’t rape

 

f*** DESHAUN THE RAPIST WATSON

 

Why not re-read my post? To claim that every 'sexual assault' (most of us have been victims of that) is 'rape' (we all know people who have been physically overpowered and brutally penetrated; luckily I have not) seems bizarre to me. But if you don't believe there is a difference, I won't argue.

[notin]

Not to tho those the guilty hurt or any future ones they may harm.

 

 

No.

 

Because if an innocent person goes to jail, then the real guilty party quite often goes free, and then you both scenarios.

 

Acquitting a guilty person doesn’t necessarily mean convicting an innocent one…

[moonslav59]

No.

 

Because if an innocent person goes to jail, then the real guilty party goes free and you still have that same scenario on top of an innocent person being in jail…

 

To the person harmed, it matters more.

 

BTW, they might be helped thinking the guilty person is in jail, even if it's the wrong person.

 

Also, when Bauer does not go to jail, there is no innocent person going, instead. The harned party feels angry and hurt. That was my point.

[Jasonbay44]

Why not re-read my post? To claim that every 'sexual assault' (most of us have been victims of that) is 'rape' (we all know people who have been physically overpowered and brutally penetrated; luckily I have not) seems bizarre to me. But if you don't believe there is a difference, I won't argue.

 

He might not be a “rapist” technically, but he is a serial sexual predator and scum human.

[dgalehouse]

Bauer has a right to earn a living at his trade. However, a team also has a right not to want him as an employee. So, there is a contradiction there. I suppose some team will give him a shot. I don't have a problem with that. As to the question of will I root for him : My answer is " No. "

[notin]

To the person harmed, it matters more.

 

BTW, they might be helped thinking the guilty person is in jail, even if it's the wrong person.

 

Also, when Bauer does not go to jail, there is no innocent person going, instead. The harned party feels angry and hurt. That was my point.

 

So you’re saying justice for victims supercedes stripping someone’s rights away?

[Bellhorn04]

So you’re saying justice for victims supercedes stripping someone’s rights away?

 

Didn't you say Bauer doesn't deserve another chance? Wouldn't that be stripping away his rights?

[notin]

But didn't you also say Bauer doesn't deserve another chance? Isn't that stripping away his rights?

 

I did. But let’s not confuse incarceration with the inability to play in MLB. Teams also have the right to decline his services. Pursuit of a baseball career involves the rights of multiple parties. Incarceration doesn’t.

 

Bauer would also be free to pursue employment in any of the dozens of other leagues in the world.

 

And I also said, deserving or not, Bauer will get another chance in MLB. At least for this one season. After this year, he will no longer cost anyone the league minimum and his appeal will dwindle even further…

[jacksonianmarch]

https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/blog/rape-vs-sexual-assault/

 

Deshaun Watson RAPED over 20 women. Raped them. He got away because he paid them off and the women knew they’d get a bigger payday if they didn’t go after him criminally. Seriously, Bauer is a scum human. But someone will sign him.

 

And you’re lying like a bastard if you say you won’t root for him if he’s wearing a Sox uni. You may not like it, but you’re gonna want him to K the hitter with the sacks packed in Yankee stadium and you know it

[moonslav59]

So you’re saying justice for victims supercedes stripping someone’s rights away?

 

I never said that. Everyone is due a fair process.

 

I said the person who was raped or abused and then watched the guy get off free is not happy about it. It happens, often.

 

The next person who gets abused is not happy either.

[jacksonianmarch]

I never said that. Everyone is due a fair process.

 

I said the person who was raped or abused and then watched the guy get off free is not happy about it. It happens, often.

 

The next person who gets abused is not happy either.

 

I don’t bemoan the women either. If Watson or Bauer didn’t have paydays, they wouldn’t be able to pay them for their trauma. These women made a business decision to better their own situations in the setting of trauma. It’s not up to them to fix the criminal Justice system.

[notin]

I never said that. Everyone is due a fair process.

 

I said the person who was raped or abused and then watched the guy get off free is not happy about it. It happens, often.

 

The next person who gets abused is not happy either.

 

 

Harmony simply made a generic statement. Sure it may not apply to every individual instance, but overall I agree

[jad]

https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/blog/rape-vs-sexual-assault/

 

Deshaun Watson RAPED over 20 women. Raped them. He got away because he paid them off and the women knew they’d get a bigger payday if they didn’t go after him criminally. Seriously, Bauer is a scum human. But someone will sign him.

 

And you’re lying like a bastard if you say you won’t root for him if he’s wearing a Sox uni. You may not like it, but you’re gonna want him to K the hitter with the sacks packed in Yankee stadium and you know it

 

Again, I absolutely will not. You obviously know nothing about me. But from your post, we now know a lot about you.

[jacksonianmarch]

Ok, so 7th inning of a playoff game against the Yanks, Bauer on the hill, sacks packed, Judge up. You’re gonna hope for the home run?

[Bellhorn04]

Ok, so 7th inning of a playoff game against the Yanks, Bauer on the hill, sacks packed, Judge up. You’re gonna hope for the home run?

 

In that situation, the best thing to hope for is that Judge hits a rocket off a bad pitch, but a Sox outfielder makes a spectacular catch to save the day.

[notin]

In that situation, the best thing to hope for is that Judge hits a rocket off a bad pitch, but a Sox outfielder makes a spectacular catch to save the day.

 

Or that Judge hits a rocket off Bauer’s skull, but it pops in the air and floats into the glove of Sox shortstop Carlos Correa.

 

 

I mean, if we’re in a fantasy world where Bauer is on the Sox, why stop there?

[Hugh2]

I Believe it's not right to assume people would root for a rapist just because he gets the results you want. This is a game, and the lives he destroyed is real life. I for one will turn off the TV on the days he pitches if he played for the Sox and I don't doubt a lot of other fans would be disgusted and not going to root for him.

 

People can change, recover, make amends, and perhaps deserve second chances.....but I doubt he's there. Even if people deserve a second chance, it doesn't mean they're entitled to it from anyone in particular either.

[Bellhorn04]

Or that Judge hits a rocket off Bauer’s skull, but it pops in the air and floats into the glove of Sox shortstop Carlos Correa.

 

 

I mean, if we’re in a fantasy world where Bauer is on the Sox, why stop there?

 

No, I'm not going to hope for Bauer to get a brain injury either.

 

I believe my idea is a more Christian solution to the dilemma.

[moonslav59]

I don’t bemoan the women either. If Watson or Bauer didn’t have paydays, they wouldn’t be able to pay them for their trauma. These women made a business decision to better their own situations in the setting of trauma. It’s not up to them to fix the criminal Justice system.

 

In no way was I even hinting that was what they were trying to do.

 

My point was that in the eyes of the person who was raped, watching their rapist go free is an horrific experience and probably upsets them more than seeing an innocent man go to jail in some other case. And, in cases of rape, it's rarely a case of an innocent guy going to jail instead of the true rapist, although that does happen. It's usually the rapist being found innocent due to lack of evidence, often coming down to just two people's words against each other.

 

The person who was raped knows the truth.

[mvp 78]

No, I'm not going to hope for Bauer to get a brain injury either.

 

I believe my idea is a more Christian solution to the dilemma.

 

Burning Bauer at the stake?

[notin]

No, I'm not going to hope for Bauer to get a brain injury either.

 

I believe my idea is a more Christian solution to the dilemma.

 

As I overtly stated mine was in a fantasy world, nobody got hurt. But it did knock enough sense into Bauer that he finally expressed some remorse over his incidents.

 

Now whose is more Christian?

[moonslav59]

Now whose is more Christian?

 

It's a showdown between the Old and New Testaments.

[Hugh2]

As I overtly stated mine was in a fantasy world, nobody got hurt. But it did knock enough sense into Bauer that he finally expressed some remorse over his incidents.

 

Now whose is more Christian?

 

I've never liked the urge to want to inflict harm upon people in ways that are heinous and then dehumanize them to justify such things. I get it, there are some sick individuals (this is going beyond Bauer) that need to be removed from society, and people need to reap what they sow but as someone who has been sexually victimized when they were younger, I've come to view these types of things from a completely different perspective. One thing I've learned about life is that hurt people hurt people. Read that again. Hurt people, hurt people.

 

Now I never raped anyone, touched a kid, or masturbated in public or any s*** like that but my early childhood trauma lead me down a path of many bad drug addictions and led to infidelity that destroyed many of my relationships, and so on and on. I never try to justify my actions when I was sick but I do try to understand them so I can heal. When I see someone like Bauer I see an *******...But I also see someone that was probably hurt in many ways as a child, or in some way was a victim of some kind of abuse. I see someone just like me...except perhaps he fell a little bit further than I ever did; my traumas never manifested into being an adult man who sexually abuses people, but I've had my own vices.

 

I don't know if Bauer is really sorry, so I don't know if he truly deserves a second chance, I want to know if he's given himself a second chance. Maybe he just wants to say the right things and get some money. All I know is people are very good at pretending they are remorseful without making ANY changes, but at the same time, they are capable of a change of heart. At first glance, it's impossible to tell them apart sometimes.

 

If you really cared about the victims, you wouldn't seek revenge, you would seek to build a world that creates fewer victims and that starts by addressing the vast mental health problems in this country.

[mvp 78]

It's a showdown between the Old and New Testaments.

 

Not sure people even read the New Testament anymore.