Corey Kluber signs with Red Sox

[mvp 78]

Might be good.

 

Sure it might be good. It's also likely to see Heaney ineffective and/or injured. Perez should return to his mediocre past. Eovaldi will pitch about 130 innings. Gray was whatever last year and also struggles to pitch 150 innings. DeGrom could bring a CY? Would that be enough to get to the playoffs?

[mvp 78]

#1 this was the year to reset. I nlame Bloom for the mistake he made at the trade deadline. To go over by $4M was a big mistake.

 

Our pitching will be better. Pay attention yo Bello and Whitlock. I expect Mata to join them in 2023. Thats is our future.

 

Why reset? Didn't they already reset in 2020 and 2021?

[notin]

Might be good.

 

So might a rotation of Sale, Paxton, Kluber, Whitlock, and Pivetta. But yet question marks still remain…

[mvp 78]

So might a rotation of Sale, Paxton, Kluber, Whitlock, and Pivetta. But yet question marks still remain…

 

With Pivetta's ARB projection, the Sox are at about 51M for their rotation, which probably includes Bello instead of Paxton anyway.

 

The Rangers are at 100M. Is it twice as good as the Sox rotation?

[notin]

With Pivetta's ARB projection, the Sox are at about 51M for their rotation, which probably includes Bello instead of Paxton anyway.

 

The Rangers are at 100M. Is it twice as good as the Sox rotation?

 

Hey if we can assume deGrom, Eovaldi and Heaney are healthy, why not Paxton? Are you a TJ Shamer?

[Bellhorn04]

#1 this was the year to reset. I nlame Bloom for the mistake he made at the trade deadline. To go over by $4M was a big mistake.

 

If we're getting back under this year, going over last year doesn't matter much.

[Bellhorn04]

With Pivetta's ARB projection, the Sox are at about 51M for their rotation, which probably includes Bello instead of Paxton anyway.

 

The Rangers are at 100M. Is it twice as good as the Sox rotation?

 

Might be.

[mvp 78]

Hey if we can assume deGrom, Eovaldi and Heaney are healthy, why not Paxton? Are you a TJ Shamer?

 

Sale and Paxton are due for late career bounceback seasons!

[Bellhorn04]

Hey if we can assume deGrom, Eovaldi and Heaney are healthy, why not Paxton? Are you a TJ Shamer?

 

We can't assume anything.

 

But is there anyone who struggles more to get on the field than Paxton?

[mvp 78]

Sale and Paxton are due for late career bounceback seasons!

 

In terms of Sale's contract:

 

2025 Vesting Option ($5M deferred to 2040)

vests with a Top 10 finish in 2024 Cy Young + healthy

 

2025 Option Escalator (2023, 2024 Cy Young)

$2.5M for 1st

$1.5M for 2nd or 3rd

$1M for 4th or 5th

$500,000 for 6th-10th

 

His luxury tax salary for 2025 is currently listed as 29M.

[mvp 78]

We can't assume anything.

 

But is there anyone who struggles more to get on the field than Paxton?

 

Grady Sizemore?

[notin]

Sale and Paxton are due for late career bounceback seasons!

 

With Sale - and I do think 2023 rests heavily on him - there are reasons to be hopeful and reasons to worry.

 

I’m hopeful because of the fact all of his injuries last year were to body parts that were not his pitching elbow and shoulder.

 

I worry because he still seems to get injured, and lately it’s been while doing mundane activities. I mean, who breaks a rib while pitching? And not even pitching against a hitter - just throwing? And riding a bicycle? What’s next? What can he do safely? Will he hyperextend a knee while sneezing? Pull an abdominal muscle while washing his face? Will he try to make tuna fish on toast, and end up in the Burn Unit with mayonnaise in his hair?

 

Yes this is what I worry about…

[notin]

Grady Sizemore?

 

Or any other long retired player…

[notin]

We can't assume anything.

 

But is there anyone who struggles more to get on the field than Paxton?

 

Paxton threw more IP in 2020 and 2021 (21.2 IP total) than the older Justin Verlander (6 IP total) did in those same two years…

[mvp 78]

Might be.

 

Last year SP:

BOS 8.6 fWAR

TEX 5.8 fWAR

 

FanGraphs projects:

Heaney 2.5

DeGrom 5.5

Eovaldi 2.3

Perez 1.8

Gray 2.5

Total 14.6

 

Sale 2.9

Bello 1.5 (half year)

Whitlock 1.9

Pivetta 1.4

Kluber 1.6

Paxton 1.3

Total 10.6 fWAR

 

Clearly, TEX needed to spend to fix their rotation. We'll see if the money was spent well.

[mvp 78]

With Sale - and I do think 2023 rests heavily on him - there are reasons to be hopeful and reasons to worry.

 

I’m hopeful because of the fact all of his injuries last year were to body parts that were not his pitching elbow and shoulder.

 

I worry because he still seems to get injured, and lately it’s been while doing mundane activities. I mean, who breaks a rib while pitching? And not even pitching against a hitter - just throwing? And riding a bicycle? What’s next? What can he do safely? Will he hyperextend a knee while sneezing? Pull an abdominal muscle while washing his face? Will he try to make tuna fish on toast, and end up in the Burn Unit with mayonnaise in his hair?

 

Yes this is what I worry about…

 

C'mon now. Buchholz was injured napping with his baby. Mundane injuries are the name of the game. They take down the skinny guys all the time.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

With Sale - and I do think 2023 rests heavily on him - there are reasons to be hopeful and reasons to worry.

 

I’m hopeful because of the fact all of his injuries last year were to body parts that were not his pitching elbow and shoulder.

 

I worry because he still seems to get injured, and lately it’s been while doing mundane activities. I mean, who breaks a rib while pitching? And not even pitching against a hitter - just throwing? And riding a bicycle? What’s next? What can he do safely? Will he hyperextend a knee while sneezing? Pull an abdominal muscle while washing his face? Will he try to make tuna fish on toast, and end up in the Burn Unit with mayonnaise in his hair?

 

Yes this is what I worry about…

 

Last week I pulled a neck muscle leaning over to clip a toenail. But I'm twice as old as Sale, and didn't wreck any appliances afterwards.

 

If the Sox had stayed under the tax last season, the draft picks for losing Bogey and Nate would've been #70 and 71 in the '23 draft. Instead, we're getting picks #133 and 134.

[Bellhorn04]

Paxton threw more IP in 2020 and 2021 (21.2 IP total) than the older Justin Verlander (6 IP total) did in those same two years…

 

Case closed then.

[mvp 78]

Last week I pulled a neck muscle leaning over to clip a toenail. But I'm twice as old as Sale, and didn't wreck any appliances afterwards.

 

If the Sox had stayed under the tax last season, the draft picks for losing Bogey and Nate would've been #70 and 71 in the '23 draft. Instead, we're getting picks #133 and 134.

 

Lots of people on here were on board with COMPETING!

 

Should have traded everything not nailed down last offseason.

[notin]

Last week I pulled a neck muscle leaning over to clip a toenail. But I'm twice as old as Sale, and didn't wreck any appliances afterwards.

 

If the Sox had stayed under the tax last season, the draft picks for losing Bogey and Nate would've been #70 and 71 in the '23 draft. Instead, we're getting picks #133 and 134.

 

 

Big deal.

Bloom would have taken the guys ranked 133 and 134 at picks 70 and 71 anyway…

[moonslav59]

They get a full year of Adley and Gunnar who both look like superstars in the making and have a plethora of MLB ready prospects about to come up…

 

Okay, we have 10-12 MLB ready prospects and 2-3 that just graduated (Bello, Crawford, Wong & Wink.)

 

BAL does have a much better farm than ours, but they also lost their "clubhouse leader" in Mancini and a key pen arm- I forget his name.

[moonslav59]

#1 this was the year to reset. I nlame Bloom for the mistake he made at the trade deadline. To go over by $4M was a big mistake.

 

Our pitching will be better. Pay attention yo Bello and Whitlock. I expect Mata to join them in 2023. Thats is our future.

 

Some sites say it was by more than $4M, but I think just trading JD would have gotten us under.

 

I was all on board for trading everything not nailed down. We'd be much better positioned, right now, financially, farm strength, upcoming draft, and maybe even have a plyer or two in return ready to help in 2023.

 

Big mistake- and this in not Monday morning QB'ing on my behalf.

[moonslav59]

If we're getting back under this year, going over last year doesn't matter much.

 

We might not have tried to stay under, this year, had we stayed under, last year, but certainly staying under 2 years in a row is something we've done before and might have done, this winter too.

 

Staying under, this year would have improved our comp picks and bonus money, plus any returns we got on the trades.

[Bellhorn04]

We might not have tried to stay under, this year, had we stayed under, last year, but certainly staying under 2 years in a row is something we've done before and might have done, this winter too.

 

Staying under, this year would have improved our comp picks and bonus money, plus any returns we got on the trades.

 

What bonus money?

[moonslav59]

C'mon now. Buchholz was injured napping with his baby. Mundane injuries are the name of the game. They take down the skinny guys all the time.

 

Who was it that wrecked his finger on a screen door?

[moonslav59]

What bonus money?

 

For signing drafted players. Someone said we get $1M less.

[Bellhorn04]

Some sites say it was by more than $4M, but I think just trading JD would have gotten us under.

 

I was all on board for trading everything not nailed down. We'd be much better positioned, right now, financially, farm strength, upcoming draft, and maybe even have a plyer or two in return ready to help in 2023.

 

Big mistake- and this in not Monday morning QB'ing on my behalf.

 

Looks like we'll be re-litigating this decision until Kingdom Come.

[Bellhorn04]

For signing drafted players. Someone said we get $1M less.

 

You're sure about this?

[mvp 78]

For signing drafted players. Someone said we get $1M less.

 

It's not "bonus money" but you get a bigger pool of money based on how many picks you have and where they are in the draft.

[Bellhorn04]

Beginning in the 2017-18 offseason, any team that is over the luxury tax threshold and signs a Major League free agent that has rejected a qualifying offer will lose $1 million from their international signing pool in the following signing period. A team that is not over the luxury tax would only forfeit $500,000 of its signing pool in the subsequent period.

 

The international pool penalties only apply if you sign an FA who received a QO.