Xander Bogaerts has signed with San Diego Padres

[notin]

DD sat there, and watched his team in the WS this past postseason while Bloom sat there, and wondered how much more he could have screwed up this past season than he did. You can have the Dummy with that Dumb dumbfounded look on his face, and I’ll take DD any day. What DD wound have done 20 years ago it no way has anything to do with what he would do today. It was a stretch on your part to bring it up, but not a good try.

 

 

I simply asked you how DD would improve this team with only $80mill to spend.

 

You copped out by saying DD would never work under those conditions. And somehow actually thought that was praise for DD. The sad part is, you actually just explained why this team needs someone like Bloom right now, and don’t even know you did it.

 

Unless of course you’re dead wrong…

[Bellhorn04]

I simply asked you how DD would improve this team with only $80mill to spend.

 

You copped out by saying DD would never work under those conditions. And somehow actually thought that was praise for DD. The sad part is, you actually just explained why this team needs someone like Bloom right now, and don’t even know you did it.

 

Unless of course you’re dead wrong…

 

You could be dead wrong about Bloom, too, though.

 

If Bloom is so smart, why did he expose Ward instead of Ort?

[moonslav59]

You could be dead wrong about Bloom, too, though.

 

If Bloom is so smart, why did he expose Ward instead of Ort?

 

Again, Ort won't be here in a few days or weeks. It really was Ward vs Duran, Downs or Taylor.

 

When Jansen and Yoshida are added to the 40, who goes?

 

When we signa SS, RF'er and SP'er who are the next 3?

 

I do think we should have kept Ward, even if just to trade him to the Nats for a non 40 man prospect, but it was not really Ward vs Ort.

 

Add Jansen- DFA or trade Ort

 

Add Yoshida- DFA or trade Brasier

 

Add a SS- DFA or trade Park or Downs

 

Add a RF'er- DFA or trade Duran or Seabold

 

Add a SP'er- DFA or trade someone from the above choices or DHern

 

It was really Ward vs Seabold, DHern, Downs or Duran.

 

That's a bit closer.

 

[dgalehouse]

Ort throws very hard. Maybe the best velocity on the staff. He has yet to harness it, but that velocity can make you reluctant to give up on him.

[notin]

Ort throws very hard. Maybe the best velocity on the staff. He has yet to harness it, but that velocity can make you reluctant to give up on him.

 

Ort did have the third highest velocity on the staff last year, behind German and Bello. But right behind him tied for fourth we’re Robles, Sawamura and Brasier…

[Bellhorn04]

Ort did have the third highest velocity on the staff last year, behind German and Bello. But right behind him tied for fourth we’re Robles, Sawamura and Brasier…

 

Bloom likes cheese, I guess.

[notin]

You could be dead wrong about Bloom, too, though.

 

If Bloom is so smart, why did he expose Ward instead of Ort?

 

I’ve been calling him out on that one repeatedly.

 

My point is if the Sox are cheap, I’d rather have someone like Bloom and be Tampa North than not and be Detroit East…

[notin]

Bloom likes cheese, I guess.

 

So do I. But at some point, you gotta find the strike zone. Walking people at 100mph over walking people at 90mph really isn’t the way to speed up games…

[moonslav59]

So do I. But at some point, you gotta find the strike zone. Walking people at 100mph over walking people at 90mph really isn’t the way to speed up games…

 

This also applies to DHern and his "nasty stuff."

[Bellhorn04]

I’ve been calling him out on that one repeatedly.

 

My point is if the Sox are cheap, I’d rather have someone like Bloom and be Tampa North than not and be Detroit East…

 

We won 78 and Detroit won 66. They got a higher draft pick. We're not so different!

[Old Red]

I simply asked you how DD would improve this team with only $80mill to spend.

 

You copped out by saying DD would never work under those conditions. And somehow actually thought that was praise for DD. The sad part is, you actually just explained why this team needs someone like Bloom right now, and don’t even know you did it.

 

Unless of course you’re dead wrong…

 

If you think saying DD would not work for JH now is praising him I think you are dead wrong. Theo I don’t believe would have worked for JH under these restrictions either, and that’s not praising Theo. The sad part to me is you think the Red Sox should be under these restrictions, and you need someone like Bloom in the first place.

[moonslav59]

If you think saying DD would not work for JH now is praising him I think you are dead wrong. Theo I don’t believe would have worked for JH under these restrictions either, and that’s not praising Theo. The sad part to me is you think the Red Sox should be under these restrictions, and you need someone like Bloom in the first place.

 

Theo and DD and Ben all had to reset at some point. I doubt any of them liked it when they had to cut salary of not replace some departing players, when you have no or too few ascending prospects to take their places.

 

I can't recall any of the GMs being forced to cut so much payroll as after 2019, and remember, before 2019, DD was not replacing Kimbrel, Kelly and a few other key role players as it looked like the budget was being geared towards a 2020 reset. The $40M given to Bloom is the winters before 2020 and 2021 did not even get them close to where the 2018 and 2019 budgets were. We did not get there until the Story signing.

 

Henry does have a history of going 2-3 years in a row without going over the tax line (2008-2009 and 2012-2014.) The weird thing is, despite all the Krumpus talk, we have not stayed under for 2+ years in a row since 2014 (2017 and 2020 were solo years.)

 

Had we not had 3 stud players all reaching free agency in a 3-4 year period, maybe this would have just looked like business as usual.

[notin]

If you think saying DD would not work for JH now is praising him I think you are dead wrong. Theo I don’t believe would have worked for JH under these restrictions either, and that’s not praising Theo. The sad part to me is you think the Red Sox should be under these restrictions, and you need someone like Bloom in the first place.

 

According to you, no one else will work under them…

[dgalehouse]

Shortly after the 2018 celebration had subsided and the duck boats were put away , John Henry issued a statement to the effect that he felt he was spending too much of his fortune on the Red Sox . ( It may have been shortly after the Sale and Eovaldi contracts. ) That was probably the start of his falling out with Dombrowski. It is getting to where there is now a falling out with much of the Fenway faithful. He could possibly decide that it is time to spend on talent ( Correa ?) to ease the unrest over losing Bogaerts. Or not.

[notin]

Theo and DD and Ben all had to reset at some point. I doubt any of them liked it when they had to cut salary of not replace some departing players, when you have no or too few ascending prospects to take their places.

 

I can't recall any of the GMs being forced to cut so much payroll as after 2019, and remember, before 2019, DD was not replacing Kimbrel, Kelly and a few other key role players as it looked like the budget was being geared towards a 2020 reset. The $40M given to Bloom is the winters before 2020 and 2021 did not even get them close to where the 2018 and 2019 budgets were. We did not get there until the Story signing.

 

Henry does have a history of going 2-3 years in a row without going over the tax line (2008-2009 and 2012-2014.) The weird thing is, despite all the Krumpus talk, we have not stayed under for 2+ years in a row since 2014 (2017 and 2020 were solo years.)

 

Had we not had 3 stud players all reaching free agency in a 3-4 year period, maybe this would have just looked like business as usual.

 

 

Every Sox GM had to reset at some point, except Dombrowski…

[notin]

Shortly after the 2018 celebration had subsided and the duck boats were put away , John Henry issued a statement to the effect that he felt he was spending too much of his fortune on the Red Sox . ( It may have been shortly after the Sale and Eovaldi contracts. ) That was probably the start of his falling out with Dombrowski. It is getting to where there is now a falling out with much of the Fenway faithful. He could possibly decide that it is time to spend on talent ( Correa ?) to ease the unrest over losing Bogaerts. Or not.

 

 

I think this is a decent enough interpretation of what happened. It’s absolutely believable as is…

[moonslav59]

Every Sox GM had to reset at some point, except Dombrowski…

 

He reset in 2017.

[moonslav59]

I think this is a decent enough interpretation of what happened. It’s absolutely believable as is…

 

So, JH approves the Sale, Nate and Bogey extensions, then has second thoughts, has a falling out with DD, perhaps over this and the maybe the plan to cut the budget by so much, it c

necessitates the need to trade 1-3 big contracts away, and they part ways. He then hires a GM who is used to tight budgets and building up a farm and foundation with precious little funding, and everyone gets mad at a rich guy for doing exactly what most rich guys do.

 

Yup.

[notin]

He reset in 2017.

 

Did he have to dump any salary to do so?

[Old Red]

According to you, no one else will work under them…

 

I guess Bloom wanted to get out of the nerd room so he took the job.

[moonslav59]

Did he have to dump any salary to do so?

 

No, but he did lose Ortis's salary to retirement and had the good fortune of the Devers call up that season, who helped more in 2018.

 

He essentially lost Pedey, too (in 2017) and didn't really replace him until the 2018 deadline with Nunez & Kinsler.

 

Had he been a big spender in 2017, maybe we win back-t-back.

 

Had he been allowed to bring back Kimbrel and spend more in 2019, maybe we go back-to back, there. 2019 was not a reset, but it felt like one.

[moonslav59]

I guess Bloom wanted to get out of the nerd room so he took the job.

 

Who wouldn't choose a place where a $40M winter spending budget feels like a 3 year budget with the Rays?

[notin]

I guess Bloom wanted to get out of the nerd room so he took the job.

 

You keep praising Dombrowski and picking on the “nerds”, but a team run by a nerd just pasted Dombrowski’s team in the World Series…

[moonslav59]

You keep praising Dombrowski and picking on the “nerds”, but a team run by a nerd just pasted Dombrowski’s team in the World Series…

 

...and Theo, Ben and DD relied heavily on nerds in the back room.

[Old Red]

You keep praising Dombrowski and picking on the “nerds”, but a team run by a nerd just pasted Dombrowski’s team in the World Series…

 

I keep praising DD, because his four years in Boston were winning years, and one of those years was a WS ring, and the best record in Boston of all of them for the Red Sox. DD had his botched up moments on his resume especially the Chris Frail signing, and I believe he signed the Prince in Detroit, which didn’t work out to well. Some nerds are better than others, but Bloom is not one of them, so to say Houston won with one this year is irrelevant to what Bloom has botched in Boston.

[dgalehouse]

You have to give the nerds credit. They have found a way to make money and have a lot of influence in the world of sports. Many of the baseball websites that fans frequent are really just a nerd or nerds sitting at home with a laptop or iPad.

[Bellhorn04]

Theo Epstein was a nerd. That worked out OK.

[Old Red]

You have to give the nerds credit. They have found a way to make money and have a lot of influence in the world of sports. Many of the baseball websites that fans frequent are really just a nerd or nerds sitting at home with a laptop or iPad.

 

That’s all well, and good if you need it, but I just don’t need it. Bloom should have stayed in one of those rooms instead of coming out, and trying to be a front man.

[dgalehouse]

Theo Epstein was a nerd. That worked out OK.

 

I don't know. Theo might have had some nerd in him , but I think he was more well rounded than the typical geek. He definitely seemed to relate to the players much better than Bloom does.

[notin]

Theo Epstein was a nerd. That worked out OK.

 

No!! That was the players!!

 

The Sox entire turnaround to relevance started with hiring Epstein and Bill James. Everyone gets that except Old Red…