Red Sox Sign Masataka Yoshida

[moonslav59]

Crybaby is the new cliff.

 

It's all semantics.

 

Complainer/crybaby

 

In over your head/basher

 

Objective observers/cult members

[Old Red]

You guys are nuts.

 

Merrily foolish.

[jacksonianmarch]

Yoshida offers a rare skill set that is worth a lot if it translates to the bigs. Also, he’s at an AAV that isn’t prohibitive and if he truly does hit well, it’ll be a bargain. I think for where the Sox are in terms of windows, this is a smart move

[Jasonbay44]

Yoshida offers a rare skill set that is worth a lot if it translates to the bigs. Also, he’s at an AAV that isn’t prohibitive and if he truly does hit well, it’ll be a bargain. I think for where the Sox are in terms of windows, this is a smart move

 

While it is hard to compare Japan to MLB, his skill set does appear to be one that should translate to any league/level. I hope he works out, because a guy who is pretty good all around for that contract is a great deal for now and for the future and he could be a key part of the future.

[moonslav59]

While it is hard to compare Japan to MLB, his skill set does appear to be one that should translate to any league/level. I hope he works out, because a guy who is pretty good all around for that contract is a great deal for now and for the future and he could be a key part of the future.

 

A 5 year deal to a 29 year old is ideal.

 

I'm extremely hopeful, but so much is unknown.

 

I'm on record for liking the signing.

[mvp 78]

10. They should have DFAd Ort and protected Ward. Then claimed Ort back just so they could DFA him again…

 

I knew I'd forget a few. That should be on the list, but is definitely further down on the list of concerns than what I mentioned.

[mvp 78]

If Yoshida wins ROY don’t we get a first round draft pick?

 

Players who finish in the top two of Rookie of the Year voting will receive a full year of service time. This is designed to combat service time manipulation (keeping a player in the minors to start the season in order to gain an additional year of team control).

 

Teams will also be incentivized to promote top prospects to the majors. If a prospect who was on the Opening Day roster finishes in the top three of Rookie of the Year voting or top five of MVP/Cy Young voting, their team will receive an additional draft pick.

[Old Red]

A 5 year deal to a 29 year old is ideal.

 

I'm extremely hopeful, but so much is unknown.

 

I'm on record for liking the signing.

You ought to be proud of Bloom, because he did something that no one else was ever able to do, which is he got Boris to stop the bidding a coupe of hours after it started. That is a fact. Now the rest of the story that the Red Sox just didn’t outbid every other team, but every other team by a large margin is the question, but that’s what’s out there. I just hope this isn’t Rusney part II. It sounds like the Red Sox were pretty much bidding against themselves, and so much so that Boris shut things down.

Edited December 15, 2022 by Old Red

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

You ought to be proud of Bloom, because he did something that no one else was ever able to do, which is he got Boris to stop the bidding a coupe of hours after it started. That is a fact. Now the rest of the story that the Red Sox just didn’t outbid every other team, but every other team by a large margin is the question, but that’s what’s out there. I just hope this isn’t Rusney part II. It sounds like the Red Sox were pretty much bidding against themselves, and so much so that Boris shut things down.

 

At this point, if another team instead of Boston had made the offer, gotta wonder if Boras would've started barking his auction to the big money clubs...

 

... but since the Red Sox are now an industry punch-line, he maybe felt that killed any demand for the player, so he closed the deal.

[mvp 78]

At this point, if another team instead of Boston had made the offer, gotta wonder if Boras would've started barking his auction to the big money clubs...

 

... but since the Red Sox are now an industry punch-line, he maybe felt that killed any demand for the player, so he closed the deal.

 

He did start barking. That's what all the smoke signals were about Bogey re-signing with the Sox and intense negotiations. It was to bring up the Padres price.

[notin]

You ought to be proud of Bloom, because he did something that no one else was ever able to do, which is he got Boris to stop the bidding a coupe of hours after it started. That is a fact. Now the rest of the story that the Red Sox just didn’t outbid every other team, but every other team by a large margin is the question, but that’s what’s out there. I just hope this isn’t Rusney part II. It sounds like the Red Sox were pretty much bidding against themselves, and so much so that Boris shut things down.

 

 

That doesn’t even make sense. Why would Boras (or any agent ever) stop any team from continually bidding against themselves? For an agent, that’s hits be the brass ring…

[notin]

He did start barking. That's what all the smoke signals were about Bogey re-signing with the Sox and intense negotiations. It was to bring up the Padres price.

 

Exactly. Too many stories about “intense negotiations with Boston” were the fluff Boras needed to make SD desperate. Was there even a third team involved after Boston bowed out?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

He did start barking. That's what all the smoke signals were about Bogey re-signing with the Sox and intense negotiations. It was to bring up the Padres price.

 

I meant about Yoshida... who I'm still in favor of signing.

[Old Red]

That doesn’t even make sense. Why would Boras (or any agent ever) stop any team from continually bidding against themselves? For an agent, that’s hits be the brass ring…

 

The point being that according to sources the Red Sox just didn’t outbid every other team, but out bid them by a wide margin. They didn’t have to go that high is the part that doesn’t make sense. Did the Red Sox know something that all the other clubs didn’t know, or does all the other clubs know something the Red Sox don’t know. Time will tell if this signing makes any sense, or not.

[notin]

The point being that according to sources the Red Sox just didn’t outbid every other team, but out bid them by a wide margin. They didn’t have to go that high is the part that doesn’t make sense. Did the Red Sox know something that all the other clubs didn’t know, or does all the other clubs know something the Red Sox don’t know. Time will tell if this signing makes any sense, or not.

 

Did you mean the Padres? If you’re talking about them, I’d be more inclined to agree. But even then, why stop the bidding?

[moonslav59]

You ought to be proud of Bloom, because he did something that no one else was ever able to do, which is he got Boris to stop the bidding a coupe of hours after it started. That is a fact. Now the rest of the story that the Red Sox just didn’t outbid every other team, but every other team by a large margin is the question, but that’s what’s out there. I just hope this isn’t Rusney part II. It sounds like the Red Sox were pretty much bidding against themselves, and so much so that Boris shut things down.

 

If nobody else had time to bid or just a few did, I'm not sure how he outbid so many teams "by a lot."

 

Look, maybe he did. I don't know. Some reports say he did. I think the same was said of the Theo-Dice K deal and posting fee.

 

I hope this works out better than Dice-K, but we'll probably find out, pretty quickly. Overpay and outbid are not the same things, and before you say, "Where did I say it was," I know you didn't say or imply that.

 

It's not like Bloom is the only GM to overpay someone, this winter, if that is what he did. It seems like the biggest beef against Bloom & Co. beyond not keeping our beloved stars is that he's not outbidding anyone for talented players. Here he did, and he still can't win.

[Old Red]

Did you mean the Padres? If you’re talking about them, I’d be more inclined to agree. But even then, why stop the bidding?

 

I’m not against the signing, but I do have a big ? beside it. The bidding was stopped, because the Red Sox were so far above what anyone else offered, and Boris knew nobody was going higher.

[Old Red]

If nobody else had time to bid or just a few did, I'm not sure how he outbid so many teams "by a lot."

 

Look, maybe he did. I don't know. Some reports say he did. I think the same was said of the Theo-Dice K deal and posting fee.

 

I hope this works out better than Dice-K, but we'll probably find out, pretty quickly. Overpay and outbid are not the same things, and before you say, "Where did I say it was," I know you didn't say or imply that.

 

It's not like Bloom is the only GM to overpay someone, this winter, if that is what he did. It seems like the biggest beef against Bloom & Co. beyond not keeping our beloved stars is that he's not outbidding anyone for talented players. Here he did, and he still can't win.

Once again this is unproven talent in MLB baseball, which is a big difference compared to all the other signings.

[mvp 78]

I’m not against the signing, but I do have a big ? beside it. The bidding was stopped, because the Red Sox were so far above what anyone else offered, and Boris knew nobody was going higher.

 

That's how all FA contracts are signed, right? That's how Xander signed with the Padres.

 

I'm sure the Sox knew Yoshida would be available long before it was announced and had conversation with Boras about him.

[mvp 78]

Once again this is unproven talent in MLB baseball, which is a big difference compared to all the other signings.

 

Senga.

 

Players come from oversees almost every offseason. This isn't some abnormal situation.

 

Sox gave Rusney 72M. I'm sure Yoshida will offer more value than Rusney did.

[Hugh2]

I’m not against the signing, but I do have a big ? beside it. The bidding was stopped, because the Red Sox were so far above what anyone else offered, and Boris knew nobody was going higher.

 

Dude....this is pure 100% conjecture on your half. You can't just make s*** up and expect people to respect your argument.

 

Even if it was true, so f***ing what. You do an analysis, you trust your people, and you offer what you think someone is worth and you don't look back. I can respect that. But if you think the Sox didn't have an idea what other people thought of him and wanted to offer him you're delusional. I mean put the crack pipe down and think for you second. You really think Bloom can be this penny-pinching heartless soul unwilling to sign anyone if it's a cent above his value line but then he just goes out and blindly throws $100 million at someone. Even a very incompetent man often follows some kind of logic or pattern, this does not, you're inventing an argument based on ZERO information. just stop dude.

[mvp 78]

Dude....this is pure 100% conjecture on your half. You can't just make s*** up and expect people to respect your argument.

 

Even if it was true, so f***ing what. You do an analysis, you trust your people, and you offer what you think someone is worth and you don't look back. I can respect that. But if you think the Sox didn't have an idea what other people thought of him and wanted to offer him you're delusional. I mean put the crack pipe down and think for you second. You really think Bloom can be this penny-pinching heartless soul unwilling to sign anyone if it's a cent above his value line but then he just goes out and blindly throws $100 million at someone. Even a very incompetent man often follows some kind of logic or pattern, this does not, you're inventing an argument based on ZERO information. just stop dude.

 

This is TalkSox. Half of the posts on here are made up.

[moonslav59]

I’m not against the signing, but I do have a big ? beside it. The bidding was stopped, because the Red Sox were so far above what anyone else offered, and Boris knew nobody was going higher.

 

We are not sure we were "way above" everyone, but the bidding always stops when the agent thinks nothing bigger is forthcoming.

 

If it turns out our offer was $10, $20 or $30M more than anyone else would have offered, that would be unfortunate and worthy of someone calling it "stupid." but if we got the guy we wanted, and he works out well, it won't bother me much.

 

I will say, I wish we had $3-6M more in AAV to spend, this winter, had we been able to get him for much cheaper.

[Old Red]

We are not sure we were "way above" everyone, but the bidding always stops when the agent thinks nothing bigger is forthcoming.

 

If it turns out our offer was $10, $20 or $30M more than anyone else would have offered, that would be unfortunate and worthy of someone calling it "stupid." but if we got the guy we wanted, and he works out well, it won't bother me much.

 

I will say, I wish we had $3-6M more in AAV to spend, this winter, had we been able to get him for much cheaper.

No we are not sure what being above everyone else means, but the bidding has never been this shot before for anybody ever. For someone who always takes payroll it’s amazing how much is being paid for someone unproven doesn’t bother you. As Artie Johnson would say Verdy interesting.

[Hugh2]

Breaking News -

 

Player signs with team who offers most money. What’s next? Stone tools???

[Old Red]

Dude....this is pure 100% conjecture on your half. You can't just make s*** up and expect people to respect your argument.

 

Even if it was true, so f***ing what. You do an analysis, you trust your people, and you offer what you think someone is worth and you don't look back. I can respect that. But if you think the Sox didn't have an idea what other people thought of him and wanted to offer him you're delusional. I mean put the crack pipe down and think for you second. You really think Bloom can be this penny-pinching heartless soul unwilling to sign anyone if it's a cent above his value line but then he just goes out and blindly throws $100 million at someone. Even a very incompetent man often follows some kind of logic or pattern, this does not, you're inventing an argument based on ZERO information. just stop dude.

You do realize I could care less of your opinion of my opinion. It’s zero info to you, because you want to go with a different narrative. I thought all opinions were welcome on here. Even it not it never stopped me before.

[Old Red]

Breaking News -

 

Player signs with team who offers most money. What’s next? Stone tools???

 

Was that player Judge?

[Hugh2]

You do realize I could care less of your opinion of my opinion. It’s zero info to you, because you want to go with a different narrative. I thought all opinions were welcome on here. Even it not it never stopped me before.

 

You don't care so much but you care enough to respond...OKAY.

 

Dude, stop with this "all opinions matter" bs. That's a two way street, you give a stupid opinion expect a response. Some people have the "opinion" that the world is flat, some people have the opinion that Sandy Hook was a "hoax" do those people not deserve to be called out on their bull?

 

All opinions are not created equal.

 

Having the opinion that Bloom is a lousy G.M. is a perfectly defensible position. No gripes there, but in this particular case your opinion has no logical basis to it....it's just old man yells at clouds.......on a sunny day.

[moonslav59]

No we are not sure what being above everyone else means, but the bidding has never been this shot before for anybody ever. For someone who always takes payroll it’s amazing how much is being paid for someone unproven doesn’t bother you. As Artie Johnson would say Verdy interesting.

 

I wouldn't use the term "bothered," but of course I am concerned based on the risk of this sort of signing being higher than a MLB player.

 

BTW, you just said, "I’m not against the signing...," so where are we in disagreement?

 

I, too, would like to have gotten him for cheaper, if we could have, but if we got what we wanted and he earns the money, I'm not going to stress over it.

[Hugh2]

Was that player Judge?

 

95% of the time a player is signing with a team that is either offering him the most money or something very close to it and they make a personal decision to go somewhere, like home.

 

Anyone and everyone in the know who follows baseball would agree with that statement. How many people offered Judge more money? I know one team did but reportedly MLB was ready to nix the deal. SO maybe Judge was going to take the most money but took what was guaranteed. But everyone knows this is generally how free agency works. OR ANY BIDDING MARKET?!!! ever hear of capitalism? have an ebay account? ever big on something before? this is how a market system works.

 

Ground breaking stuff....I know.