2022-2023 Offseason Thread

[Old Red]

If they are on the field in a MLB stadium somewhere, their prime isn't wasted. If they are sitting at home playing Xbox, their prime is being wasted. It's nonsense that you waste the prime of a player on a team that isn't in WS contention. If they win 88 games and are close to a WC spot, is that not good enough for a player like Bogey?

 

No!

[Bellhorn04]

Think about the teams that have won the offseasons in years past. How does TOR feel about Berrios? How does TEX feel about their 2021-22 offseason signings and winding up well out of the playoffs? Free agency alone hasn't helped the Angels much has it? Is COL happy about the first year of the Kris Bryant era? How did DET do with Baez and ERod? PHI did well with Schwarber, but what about Castellanos' larger contract? MIA is already unhappy with their small splurge on Soler and Garcia after only one year.

 

It's easy to look at a list of players and say "Bloom, go get some guys," but I'm not really sure that's the best way to turn things around.

 

Now Berrios was a trade-and-extend, which is what Talksox intelligentsia are saying is the key to our turnaround.

 

I guess even with a trade-and-extend you really have to get it right!

[Old Red]

I'm not arguing against staying even by signing Devers and Bogey.

 

I disagree on you5r characterization of "Bloom letting it get to this point." He had little choice and did very well on many of his "choices.".

He’s had three years to not let all of this contracts stuff come due at once.

[mvp 78]

Bogey, Raffy, and Story, and hopefully Casas is the foundation. There is no time like the present in my opinion.

 

If that's the case, Casas wouldn't be part of the equation. He probably won't have a break out season until 2024 or later. May as well get a veteran FA who can come in and guarantee 2.5 fWAR or whatever. With Casas, we're not sure what he can do just yet.

[mvp 78]

He’s had three years to not let all of this contracts stuff come due at once.

 

Who?

 

Eovaldi?

 

JD?

 

Bogey?

 

You're worried about 3 guys coming due at once? There are 25 guys on the roster. Having 3 guys with expiring contracts in one year isn't the end of the world. With JD, it's better that they get out of the contract anyway. Eovaldi was overpaid. Bogey is opting out, which isn't necessarily on Bloom.

[Bellhorn04]

He’s had three years to not let all of this contracts stuff come due at once.

 

And there was very little he could have done about that. I think we may have discussed this point already.

[Old Red]

Who?

 

Eovaldi?

 

JD?

 

Bogey?

 

You're worried about 3 guys coming due at once? There are 25 guys on the roster. Having 3 guys with expiring contracts in one year isn't the end of the world. With JD, it's better that they get out of the contract anyway. Eovaldi was overpaid. Bogey is opting out, which isn't necessarily on Bloom.

 

Bogey, and Raffy especially. Bogey could have been settled last off season.

[moonslav59]

Bogey, Raffy, and Story, and hopefully Casas is the foundation. There is no time like the present in my opinion.

 

Yes, we know this is your opinion.

 

I disagree this foundation is close the ones where we added Pedro, Manny, Schilling, Lackey and Price to.

[moonslav59]

Bogey, and Raffy especially. Bogey could have been settled last off season.

 

He had restricted spending. He could have "settled Bogey," but we'd have no Story and the same amount of holes to fill.

[mvp 78]

No!

 

So they were within a few games of making it to the WS in 2021. They won the WS in 2018. They thought the team would compete in 2022, but it epically failed. Somehow that is doing Xander dirty?

 

Seems like Xander has done better for himself than other top SS's like Lindor, Semien, Anderson, etc.

 

Maybe in your world he's just going to have to sign for a real team like the Yankees?

[mvp 78]

He had restricted spending. He could have "settled Bogey," but we'd have no Story and the same amount of holes to fill.

 

Why no Story? They went over the cap this year. They could have extended Bogey and still signed Story.

[moonslav59]

Why no Story? They went over the cap this year. They could have extended Bogey and still signed Story.

 

I don't think it's that simple.

 

I also think they will want to reset this winter or next, and signing Devers, Bogey and Story will make that very difficult, unless they go cheap nearly everywhere else.

 

I think the "all in NOW" idea is a pipedream.

[Old Red]

So they were within a few games of making it to the WS in 2021. They won the WS in 2018. They thought the team would compete in 2022, but it epically failed. Somehow that is doing Xander dirty?

 

Seems like Xander has done better for himself than other top SS's like Lindor, Semien, Anderson, etc.

 

Maybe in your world he's just going to have to sign for a real team like the Yankees?

 

Maybe Raffy too. I’m just saying to not go all in is a waste to me. Analyze anyway you want, and disagree all you want.

[notin]

Who?

 

Eovaldi?

 

JD?

 

Bogey?

 

You're worried about 3 guys coming due at once? There are 25 guys on the roster. Having 3 guys with expiring contracts in one year isn't the end of the world. With JD, it's better that they get out of the contract anyway. Eovaldi was overpaid. Bogey is opting out, which isn't necessarily on Bloom.

 

Technically only 2 contracts, because Xander’s does not have to end.

 

He must have been absolutely catatonic after 2004, when Pedro, Lowe, Varitek, Cabrera and Nixon all had their contracts come due.

 

And there’s 26 guys on a roster, making that percentage even smaller…

[mvp 78]

I don't think it's that simple.

 

I also think they will want to reset this winter or next, and signing Devers, Bogey and Story will make that very difficult, unless they go cheap nearly everywhere else.

 

I think the "all in NOW" idea is a pipedream.

 

I think if they went "all in NOW" but via cashing in their farm pipeline, it could supplement the high cost of a Devers and Bogey contracts. Lots of $$$ is coming off the books that can be spread to those guys. JD, JBJ, Vaz and Eovaldi can all be replaced at a cheaper rate.

[Old Red]

I don't think it's that simple.

 

I also think they will want to reset this winter or next, and signing Devers, Bogey and Story will make that very difficult, unless they go cheap nearly everywhere else.

 

I think the "all in NOW" idea is a pipedream.

 

You have no more of a clue on what the Red Sox want to do than anybody else. Pipedream, or not.

[moonslav59]

Maybe Raffy too. I’m just saying to not go all in is a waste to me. Analyze anyway you want, and disagree all you want.

 

We are seeing what going all in ends up doing. 2018 and the consequences.

 

Repeating that does not seem like a a good plan, and yes, there seems to be vast and fierce differences of opinion of this.

[mvp 78]

Technically only 2 contracts, because Xander’s does not have to end.

 

He must have been absolutely catatonic after 2004, when Pedro, Lowe, Varitek, Cabrera and Nixon all had their contracts come due.

 

And there’s 26 guys on a roster, making that percentage even smaller…

 

I can't believe Larry Lucchino let it get that bad...

[moonslav59]

You have no more of a clue on what the Red Sox want to do than anybody else. Pipedream, or not.

 

I'm not pretending I do.

 

I do think there are many clues that support the idea that the longer term is a higher priority than the here and now, but like I said, that could an has in the past, "turned on a dime."

[Old Red]

We are seeing what going all in ends up doing. 2018 and the consequences.

 

Repeating that does not seem like a a good plan, and yes, there seems to be vast and fierce differences of opinion of this.

 

Wash-rinse-repeat you keep saying the same things.What’s going on this year had more to do with injuries, and underperforming than anything else.

[moonslav59]

I think if they went "all in NOW" but via cashing in their farm pipeline, it could supplement the high cost of a Devers and Bogey contracts. Lots of $$$ is coming off the books that can be spread to those guys. JD, JBJ, Vaz and Eovaldi can all be replaced at a cheaper rate.

 

The problem is not replacing the 2022 JD, Nate, JBJ and Vaz; in a sense, we need to replace the 2021 Nate, the 2018 JD, the 2020 JBJ and the on year Vaz to get back to near top competitiveness.

 

There is a lot of improving we need to do over the 2022 team. Better health can help, a lot, but there doesn't seem to be enough resources to fill all our needs.

[notin]

So apparently Hosmer now has a full NTC.

 

Of course he didn’t have a “Please don’t DFA me” clause in his contract…

[moonslav59]

Wash-rinse-repeat you keep saying the same things.What’s going on this year had more to do with injuries, and underperforming than anything else.

 

We both keep saying the same things.

 

What clues to you have that the here and now will become our top priority, this winter?

 

It's all speculation, of course, but to me, the trend seems to be keep rebuilding.

[notin]

Maybe Raffy too. I’m just saying to not go all in is a waste to me. Analyze anyway you want, and disagree all you want.

 

Maybe Raffy what?

 

Contrary to popular belief, Devers is still under contract…

[mvp 78]

You have no more of a clue on what the Red Sox want to do than anybody else. Pipedream, or not.

 

We all know this. You don't have to reiterate it everyday like it's some big reveal at the end of an Agatha Christie novel. We know.

[mvp 78]

So apparently Hosmer now has a full NTC.

 

Of course he didn’t have a “Please don’t DFA me” clause in his contract…

 

His contract is so small that it doesn't really matter either way.

[notin]

What exactly do people mean by going “all in”? The team had a payroll of $234 mill last year and people think that’s only going half ass?

[mvp 78]

The problem is not replacing the 2022 JD, Nate, JBJ and Vaz; in a sense, we need to replace the 2021 Nate, the 2018 JD, the 2020 JBJ and the on year Vaz to get back to near top competitiveness.

 

There is a lot of improving we need to do over the 2022 team. Better health can help, a lot, but there doesn't seem to be enough resources to fill all our needs.

 

Why are we replacing 2020 JBJ? He had a career high wRC+ because it was a SSS. Why did you specifically select that year? Just because it was a high point for him? Same with JD and Nate? You pick their best seasons and say "go replace those best seasons." LOL. Instead of replacing the overall player, go replace the best version of that player and do it under the luxury tax because we have to reset this season apparently!

[notin]

His contract is so small that it doesn't really matter either way.

 

I’ve been calling him DFA Fodder since August 3rd. But it’s the only Sox news we’re going to have for a couple weeks…

[mvp 78]

What exactly do people mean by going “all in”? The team had a payroll of $234 mill last year and people think that’s only going half ass?

 

Henry has enough money to afford a $500M payroll!