2022-2023 Offseason Thread

[notin]

Hey, that's not "callous and insulting" -- that! must! be! compassionate! and complimentary!

 

It's true that Boston has done a lot of spending in the wrong places lately. And the opposite: not spending in the right places.

 

But where is the rationale to support "the success and recognition the franchise never deserved in the first place"? Why, because other big market teams somehow deserve it more?

 

I couldn't find where the blog said the Yankees, instead, deserve all the credit for the Red Sox titles this century by taking ARod, thus changing the entire course of baseball history.

 

 

Not to mention how ARod was treated by that organization.

 

I admit I am still an A-Rod fan who, while I did want him to fail as a Yankee - admits it was solely because he was a Yankee. And I think he gets a ton of buildout he never deserved for what he did for that team…

[notin]

Yes, but only to a point. I’m not for signing Bogey at any cost, and I would say the same with Mookie, or Raffy.

 

But then if we don’t know what the cost is, how can we say the Sox have mishandled it?

 

Not to mention, he isn’t gone yet. Heck, he hasn’t even opted out yet…

[mvp 78]

Hey, that's not "callous and insulting" -- that! must! be! compassionate! and complimentary!

 

It's true that Boston has done a lot of spending in the wrong places lately. And the opposite: not spending in the right places.

 

But where is the rationale to support "the success and recognition the franchise never deserved in the first place"? Why, because other big market teams somehow deserve it more?

 

I couldn't find where the blog said the Yankees, instead, deserve all the credit for the Red Sox titles this century by taking ARod, thus changing the entire course of baseball history.

 

Red Sox didn't earn their titles the rightful way because they had cheaters and steroid guys.

 

What about Pettitte, Leyritz, Kenny Rogers, Clemens, Grimsley, Canseco, Glenallen Hill, Neagle, Mike Stanton, Knoblach, David Justice and ARod?

 

Shutupayamouth

[mvp 78]

Good post. We need a like button or something here.

 

Mods, please!

[Old Red]

Red Sox didn't earn their titles the rightful way because they had cheaters and steroid guys.

 

What about Pettitte, Leyritz, Kenny Rogers, Clemens, Grimsley, Canseco, Glenallen Hill, Neagle, Mike Stanton, Knoblach, David Justice and ARod?

 

Shutupayamouth

 

Good old Roger he waited until he left Boston until he started using, or they wasn’t working his last 4 years.

[Old Red]

Not to mention how ARod was treated by that organization.

 

I admit I am still an A-Rod fan who, while I did want him to fail as a Yankee - admits it was solely because he was a Yankee. And I think he gets a ton of buildout he never deserved for what he did for that team…

He got what he deserved from Tek, and it should have been more.

[notin]

He got what he deserved from Tek, and it should have been more.

 

That has nothing to do with the Yankees…

[Old Red]

That has nothing to do with the Yankees…

 

But everything to do with AFRAUD.

[notin]

But everything to do with AFRAUD.

 

So?

[Nick]

Anyone know why Cot's Baseball has Hosmer at net cost of $5.8M? ($18M less $12.28M)

 

I thought our cost was the league minimum.

 

Moon?

[Nick]

How to spend $118M?

 

Devers....$10M raise

Xander....say $30M

 

That leaves us $78M for arbitration increases.

 

Our infield is set, unless we upgrade our catching position.

 

We'll need a right fielder assuming Verdugo in left and Kike in center. $10M guy?

 

We'll need a DH unless we fill that with utility/starters. Another $10M guy?

 

By miracle, Sale comes back to go along with Pivetta and Bello.

 

We have approximately $50M left to address starters/bullpen. It could be $80M if we let Xander walk.

Edited October 10, 2022 by Nick

[mvp 78]

Anyone know why Cot's Baseball has Hosmer at net cost of $5.8M? ($18M less $12.28M)

 

I thought our cost was the league minimum.

 

Moon?

 

It's luxury tax calculation vs payroll tax calculation. I believe his cost against the luxury tax is higher the last 3 years of his deal than his actual salary which decreases to $13M.

 

I think it means they likely just trade him at some point.

[mvp 78]

How to spend $118M?

 

Devers....$10M raise

Xander....say $30M

 

That leaves us $78M for arbitration increases.

 

Our infield is set, unless we upgrade our catching position.

 

We'll need a right fielder assuming Verdugo in left and Kike in center. $10M guy?

 

We'll need a DH unless we fill that with utility/starters. Another $10M guy?

 

By miracle, Sale comes back to go along with Pivetta and Bello.

 

We have approximately $50M left to address starters/bullpen. It could be $80M if we let Xander walk.

 

Nimmo will probably be more than $10M. I think they'll spend less than $10M on DH if anything at all.

 

I think they re-sign Hill and maybe sign one other starter. I don't see them getting an ace though.

[Nick]

It's luxury tax calculation vs payroll tax calculation. I believe his cost against the luxury tax is higher the last 3 years of his deal than his actual salary which decreases to $13M.

 

I think it means they likely just trade him at some point.

 

I doubt they will keep him if it 'costs' Sox $5.8M on luxury tax line.

[Bellhorn04]

Anyone know why Cot's Baseball has Hosmer at net cost of $5.8M? ($18M less $12.28M)

 

I thought our cost was the league minimum.

 

Moon?

 

Cot's is not much good any more. Notice how they just removed traded guys like Bradley and Vaz from the 2022 numbers?

 

We need another source for payroll.

[Nick]

Cot's is not much good any more. Notice how they just removed traded guys like Bradley and Vaz from the 2022 numbers?

 

We need another source for payroll.

 

Yes, but their 2023 numbers should be correct. Obviously they missed on the mutual option number for Pham. I like to use the site for team control, service years, etc.

You definitely lose track of luxury tax final payroll for the current year by removing players that were traded.

[moonslav59]

Anyone know why Cot's Baseball has Hosmer at net cost of $5.8M? ($18M less $12.28M)

 

I thought our cost was the league minimum.

 

Moon?

 

I'm not sure cots can be trusted, anymore. Too bad. They has a good rep for a long time,

 

I was under the impression Hosmer will cost the league min for the remainder of his contract, which I believe is 3 more years. If not, then we'd be on the hook for the difference, if we DFA him. I'm not sure anyone would take him at $5.8M x 3.

 

I think many sites missed the Pham option fiasco, so cots may not be alone on that one.

 

On your $118M number. I'm not sure where you got that amount. I have us near $60M to spend, after the Kike $10M signing, assuming we spend to just under the tax line.

[mvp 78]

I'm not sure cots can be trusted, anymore. Too bad. They has a good rep for a long time,

 

I was under the impression Hosmer will cost the league min for the remainder of his contract, which I believe is 3 more years. If not, then we'd be on the hook for the difference, if we DFA him. I'm not sure anyone would take him at $5.8M x 3.

 

I think many sites missed the Pham option fiasco, so cots may not be alone on that one.

 

On your $118M number. I'm not sure where you got that amount. I have us near $60M to spend, after the Kike $10M signing, assuming we spend to just under the tax line.

 

If a team is a million miles away from the luxury tax cap and are only actually paying him the veteran's minimum, why would they care about the luxury tax calculation? I'm sure there are a few teams that would take on Hosmer.

[moonslav59]

If a team is a million miles away from the luxury tax cap and are only actually paying him the veteran's minimum, why would they care about the luxury tax calculation? I'm sure there are a few teams that would take on Hosmer.

 

I'm talking about the apparent $5.8M x 3 someone said we will be paying. If we trade him, no team would want that. It has nothing to do with the lux tax for most teams.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Guys that can steal bases are a dime a dozen. Duran is fast, but his baseball instincts are low. Maybe his trade value went from nil to next to nil.

 

Bloom will be ahead of the market if speedsters go up to nickel-and-dime a dozen...

 

Put it this way, when management said at the presser they want a 2023 roster that is "more athletic," it's doubtful they'll covet trapeze artists.

[mvp 78]

I'm talking about the apparent $5.8M x 3 someone said we will be paying. If we trade him, no team would want that. It has nothing to do with the lux tax for most teams.

 

Sox aren't "paying" anything if you read the post above or look at Cots. There is just a difference between the Hosmer's luxury tax liability and his payroll liability.

[moonslav59]

Bloom will be ahead of the market if speedsters go up to nickel-and-dime a dozen...

 

Put it this way, when management said at the presser they want a 2023 roster that is "more athletic," it's doubtful they'll covet trapeze artists.

 

He did trade for Abreu and Ferguson- both walk a lot and steal bases. He traded for Hamilton, too.

 

Our farm is about as fast as I ever remember it being.

 

Minor League Leaderboards

 

BB

2. Abreu 114

5. Kavadas 102

10. Ferguson 96

 

SB

5. Hamilton 70 (8 CS)

9. Ferguson 61 (5)

43. Rosier 40 (5)

90. Abreu 31 (3)

 

All these guys were added in the last year.

 

 

Edited October 10, 2022 by moonslav59

[moonslav59]

Sox aren't "paying" anything if you read the post above or look at Cots. There is just a difference between the Hosmer's luxury tax liability and his payroll liability.

 

Okay. Looks like we keep Hosmer or can trade him, easily.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

He did trade for Abreu and Ferguson- both walk a lot and steal bases. He traded for Hamilton, too.

 

Our farm is about as fast as I ever remember it being.

 

Minor League Leaderboards

 

BB

2. Abreu 114

5. Kavadas 102

10. Ferguson 96

 

SB

5. Hamilton 70 (8 CS)

9. Ferguson 61 (5)

43. Rosier 40 (5)

90. Abreu 31 (3)

 

All these guys were added in the last year.

 

 

 

It may not be a coincidence. The Sox are losing their doubles leader -- JD, who actually led the big leagues in total two-baggers the past two seasons... but next year a fast guy who can reach first base can turn that into two a lot easier with the new rules.

[mvp 78]

He did trade for Abreu and Ferguson- both walk a lot and steal bases. He traded for Hamilton, too.

 

Our farm is about as fast as I ever remember it being.

 

Minor League Leaderboards

 

BB

2. Abreu 114

5. Kavadas 102

10. Ferguson 96

 

SB

5. Hamilton 70 (8 CS)

9. Ferguson 61 (5)

43. Rosier 40 (5)

90. Abreu 31 (3)

 

All these guys were added in the last year.

 

 

 

PAWSOX as a team were pretty speedy in the early 80's with over 140 SB's each year from 82-84.

[moonslav59]

PAWSOX as a team were pretty speedy in the early 80's with over 140 SB's each year from 82-84.

Woo did not have many base-stealers, but our system had some top SB players and several with great SB/CS ratios.

 

5. Hamilton 70 (8 CS)

9. Ferguson 61 (5) BOS & SDP

43. Rosier 40 (5) BOS & SDP

90. Abreu 31 (3) BOS & HOU

17-0 Mayer

20-1 Sikes

22-2 Tyler Miller

27-5 Paulino

28-6 Bonaci

28-7 Rafaela

21-5 McDonough

20-7 M Lugo

20-9 Jimenez

 

[notin]

Bloom will be ahead of the market if speedsters go up to nickel-and-dime a dozen...

 

Put it this way, when management said at the presser they want a 2023 roster that is "more athletic," it's doubtful they'll covet trapeze artists.

 

But the Great Mandolini is reaching free agency!!

[mvp 78]

But the Great Mandolini is reaching free agency!!

 

Dig up Professor Bartholomew's grave! We can resurrect him! We have the technology!

 

https://hamhistorian.wordpress.com/2011/11/05/white-stockings-and-balloons-american-baseball-comes-to-melbourne-in-the-1880s/

[mvp 78]

https://twitter.com/TDISportsClips/status/1579698198985461760

 

Happy Anniversary to Pedro throwing an oversized hamster to the ground.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

https://twitter.com/TDISportsClips/status/1579698198985461760

 

Happy Anniversary to Pedro throwing an oversized hamster to the ground.

 

"Just point his head and let momentum do the rest..."