A Realistic View at 2023: Part I

[moonslav59]

9 Players on the block.

 

Take the top offers, no matter what.

 

Bogey

JD

Nate

Vaz

Wacha

Hill

Strahm

Kike

Plawecki

 

While we are at it, trade anyone not viewed as being a plus for 2023 and or beyond, or have little hope being a plus going forward, like most or all of these guys or DFA, soon, or make sure they are not on next year's 40:

Diekman

Arroyo

Brasier

Dalbec

Cordero

DHern

 

Might as well keep these guys, in hopes for miracles and the idea that we might as well pay these guys here rather than on another team, for a while anyway:

Story

Sale

Barnes

Taylor

Verdugo or Duran (not both)

Davis

Paxton

Sawamura

 

The keepers currently on the 40:

Devers

Whitlock

Houck

Pivetta

Schreiber

Refsnyder

 

Might as well keep the kids on the 40, now:

Mata

Wink

Crawford

Bello

Seabold

Groome & Danish

Wong & RHern

Meh: Downs, Ort, Sanchez & J Davis

[notin]

Refsnyder is a definite keeper?

 

Seriously he’s the biggest “sell high” player on the team, ahead of even Schreiber…

[moonslav59]

Refsnyder is a definite keeper?

 

 

Yes! When I'm done, our 40 man roster sits at 17.

 

We won't get jack for Ref and Schreib. Keep 'em and hope their our next Daniel Nava and Brandon Workman.

 

Sell high? What? 3 bags of balls not 1?

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Yes! When I'm done, our 40 man roster sits at 17.

 

We won't get jack for Ref and Schreib. Keep 'em and hope their our next Daniel Nava and Brandon Workman.

 

Sell high? What? 3 bags of balls not 1?

 

Ouch!

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Moon's here to kick ass and sell candy canes, and he's fresh out of candy canes.

[moonslav59]

Ouch!

 

I really liked Nava and Workman!

[moonslav59]

Moon's here to kick ass and sell candy canes, and he's fresh out of candy canes.

 

I do have some Snickers.

[moonslav59]

Moon's here to kick ass and sell candy canes, and he's fresh out of candy canes.

 

I think I've done enough damage for the night. Time for bed.

 

I'll make way for the Stork and other trolls, who love to prey on miserable fans.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

I do have some Snickers.

 

Your Tacoby Bellsbury' made me 'snicker.' Actually, it made me LOL.

Edited July 27, 2022 by SPLENDIDSPLINTER

[moonslav59]

Lowe

Pedro

Damon

Manny

Ellsbury

Lester

Betts

 

It's amazing how the Sox lost every single fan after these guys walked but were able to rebuild a new fanbase, everytime.

 

Too bad Bogey we can't do it after Bogey walks.

 

[redsoxrules]

Lowe

Pedro

Damon

Manny

Ellsbury

Lester

Betts

 

It's amazing how the Sox lost every single fan after these guys walked but were able to rebuild a new fanbase, everytime.

 

Too bad Bogey we can't do it after Bogey walks.

 

 

Aside from 2 maybe 3 from that list it was a good choice to let them go.

Dodge a huge bullet with Ellsbury.

Pedro Is my all time favorite Sox pitcher but he was never the same after 2004. Would of love to kept him but the best was behind him. He only played one full season after 2004.

Manny - that was a good move to let go

 

They made a mistake on Damon and Lester.

Betts, only time will tell.

 

I know you're being sarcastic but if they lose Bogey it will hurt the fanbase. Specifically how they did it. Signing Story was a dick move. It was a slap in the face to XB. That's like your boss at work hiring a new person and saying oh here's the new guy that is capable of doing your job and we're going to put him working beside you.

 

Devers and XB are both going to get 30 Mil a year. There's no way the Sox have an infield of 80 Mil between 3 players. And they would still have a crap first basemen and s***** outfield.

 

IMO signing Story was a bad move and should have just worked something out with Bogey.

 

Claim will have to do miracle work this off season to get a contending team next year

[Bellhorn04]

Aside from 2 maybe 3 from that list it was a good choice to let them go.

Dodge a huge bullet with Ellsbury.

Pedro Is my all time favorite Sox pitcher but he was never the same after 2004. Would of love to kept him but the best was behind him. He only played one full season after 2004.

Manny - that was a good move to let go

 

They made a mistake on Damon and Lester.

Betts, only time will tell.

 

I know you're being sarcastic but if they lose Bogey it will hurt the fanbase. Specifically how they did it. Signing Story was a dick move. It was a slap in the face to XB. That's like your boss at work hiring a new person and saying oh here's the new guy that is capable of doing your job and we're going to put him working beside you.

 

Devers and XB are both going to get 30 Mil a year. There's no way the Sox have an infield of 80 Mil between 3 players. And they would still have a crap first basemen and s***** outfield.

 

IMO signing Story was a bad move and should have just worked something out with Bogey.

 

Claim will have to do miracle work this off season to get a contending team next year

 

Playing devil's advocate about Bogey, while we all love him, he's on pace this year for 10-12 homers and 50-60 RBI and plays average defense.

 

He turns 30 in October.

 

Might it be a bad idea to give him a $200-250 million contract?

[notin]

Lowe

Pedro

Damon

Manny

Ellsbury

Lester

Betts

 

It's amazing how the Sox lost every single fan after these guys walked but were able to rebuild a new fanbase, everytime.

 

Too bad Bogey we can't do it after Bogey walks.

 

 

Agree 100%.

 

How many people on this board will stop being Red Sox fans if Bogaerts is elsewhere next season?

 

The Sox will lose 0 fans. But many of them will complain even more…

[notin]

Playing devil's advocate about Bogey, while we all love him, he's on pace this year for 10-12 homers and 50-60 RBI and plays average defense.

 

He turns 30 in October.

 

Might it be a bad idea to give him a $200-250 million contract?

 

And the guy the Sox signed who would “never be able to replace Bogaerts” had those numbers by the end of June…

[notin]

Yes! When I'm done, our 40 man roster sits at 17.

 

We won't get jack for Ref and Schreib. Keep 'em and hope their our next Daniel Nava and Brandon Workman.

 

Sell high? What? 3 bags of balls not 1?

 

 

LOL

 

Are you pretending the “take top offer no matter what” list is about anything more than replacing frustratingplayets with other frustrating players? Exactly what elite prospects do you think Hill and Strahm will return?

 

If the Sox were to actually rebuild, Schreiber is an actual worthwhile trade piece. Bullpen needs are rampant and with fewer sellers he might be the best available name. That he’s clearly having the best year doesn’t hurt.

 

But if you’re giving up 2023, why keep Schreiber? He is having a career year, better than any since A ball. He’s 29, so not likely part of a rebuild.

 

So other than he’s not frustrating today, why keep him? You have younger players than him (and Refsnyder) like Irdero and Dalbec that you’re ready to throw in the towel on…

[redsoxrules]

Playing devil's advocate about Bogey, while we all love him, he's on pace this year for 10-12 homers and 50-60 RBI and plays average defense.

 

He turns 30 in October.

 

Might it be a bad idea to give him a $200-250 million contract?

 

He's on pace for another 5+ WAR season. He's consistent

[cp176]

He's on pace for another 5+ WAR season. He's consistent

 

He is one of the best players in the game today. Signing Story to play second base I think was a good move. Signing him to replace Bogaerts I think is just ridiculously sad.

[mvp 78]

Playing devil's advocate about Bogey, while we all love him, he's on pace this year for 10-12 homers and 50-60 RBI and plays average defense.

 

He turns 30 in October.

 

Might it be a bad idea to give him a $200-250 million contract?

 

If he doesn't opt out, he's due 4/80. Maybe bumping him to 6/150 gets it done?

 

Seager got 10 years, but was only 28 at the start of the deal. He was the only $200M+ deal last winter. I don't believe Xander will go for that much.

 

Semien got 7/175 for age 31. Seems like a better comp if not too high considering that Story/Baez both got 6/140?

[mvp 78]

Agree 100%.

 

How many people on this board will stop being Red Sox fans if Bogaerts is elsewhere next season?

 

The Sox will lose 0 fans. But many of them will complain even more…

 

The Sox lose fans every year, just not psychopaths that post on messageboards in 2022.

[mvp 78]

And the guy the Sox signed who would “never be able to replace Bogaerts” had those numbers by the end of June…

 

92 wRC+.

[mvp 78]

For Xander, his ISO and xSLG is way down and his BABIP is way up (career high of 390). Seems like he's been a little lucky this year.

[sk7326]

Let's put it this way - given how flaccid the team has looked against the AL East, you have to consider being sellers to some degree.

 

1. The team has a ready made solution for SS next year on the roster already - and 2B seems like it should be easy enough to source.

2. If the Red Sox want to be aggressive sellers, they can offer the best pitcher (Eovaldi), hitter (JD) and overall player (Bogaerts) that would be available for the deadline.

3. I hope Devers gets figured out. I sort of feel the same way I did there as with Mookie (though to a lesser extent since Betts is a better player). Even fully acknowledging that it is a negotiation, if a big market team gets weak kneed about signing a superstar through a superstar's superstar prime, it's tough to see what we are doing here.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Let's put it this way - given how flaccid the team has looked against the AL East, you have to consider being sellers to some degree.

 

3. I hope Devers gets figured out. I sort of feel the same way I did there as with Mookie (though to a lesser extent since Betts is a better player). Even fully acknowledging that it is a negotiation, if a big market team gets weak kneed about signing a superstar through a superstar's superstar prime, it's tough to see what we are doing here.

 

We're not a big market, we're a Boston Market -- where loyal fans with pork bellies are mere orange juicers on a billionaire speculator's list of commoddities.

[notin]

92 wRC+.

 

And if he’d looked at Bogaerts’ 3.9 fWAR, it was obvious whose having the better year. But his devil’s advocacy centered around HRs and RBI…

[notin]

For Xander, his ISO and xSLG is way down and his BABIP is way up (career high of 390). Seems like he's been a little lucky this year.

 

His UZR is also up.

[Kimmi]

Playing devil's advocate about Bogey, while we all love him, he's on pace this year for 10-12 homers and 50-60 RBI and plays average defense.

 

He turns 30 in October.

 

Might it be a bad idea to give him a $200-250 million contract?

 

Yes, it would be. While his offense is better than his HR and RBI totals indicate, and his defense is improved this year, signing Xander to that kind of a contract would be a mistake.

[Kimmi]

Agree 100%.

 

How many people on this board will stop being Red Sox fans if Bogaerts is elsewhere next season?

 

The Sox will lose 0 fans. But many of them will complain even more…

 

As the saying goes, you root for the laundry, not the player.

[Kimmi]

If he doesn't opt out, he's due 4/80. Maybe bumping him to 6/150 gets it done?

 

Seager got 10 years, but was only 28 at the start of the deal. He was the only $200M+ deal last winter. I don't believe Xander will go for that much.

 

Semien got 7/175 for age 31. Seems like a better comp if not too high considering that Story/Baez both got 6/140?

 

Sounds about right. I would offer Bogaerts something a little better than what Story received. I'd prefer to cut it to 5 years and up the AAV a little bit, but I don't think Xander will go for that.

[Kimmi]

We're not a big market, we're a Boston Market -- where loyal fans with pork bellies are mere orange juicers on a billionaire speculator's list of commoddities.

 

Stop.

[notin]

The Sox lose fans every year, just not psychopaths that post on messageboards in 2022.

 

They also gain fans every year. Keeping or losing Bogaerts isn’t the life or death of the franchise decision a lot of people are making it out to be…