Cora is first half AL manager of the year

[mvp 78]

True dat.

 

He's been astounding on defense.

 

I still wonder about where he plays, next year: SS or 2B.

 

I'd prefer keeping him at 2b, but it depends on what the plan would be for SS.

[moonslav59]

I'd prefer keeping him at 2b, but it depends on what the plan would be for SS.

 

For argument's sake, let's say the plan is Downs. Who plays SS?

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Btw, if any one here actually believes the sincerity of the opening thread, well, I still have that bridge to sell. Jacksonian is a troll and always will be a troll; he just employs condescending posts to try and fool you. Edited July 13, 2022 by SPLENDIDSPLINTER

[Bellhorn04]

Btw, if any one here believes the sincerity of the opening thread, well, I still have that bridge to sell. Jacksonian is a troll and always will be a troll; he just employs condescending posts to try and fool you.

 

He's the devil we know, though...

[mvp 78]

Btw, if any one here actually believes the sincerity of the opening thread, well, I still have that bridge to sell. Jacksonian is a troll and always will be a troll; he just employs condescending posts to try and fool you.

 

jacko isn't really an irony bro. That's not what he's built his posting career on.

[mvp 78]

My vote for first half manager of the year would go to Charlie Montoyo.

[redsoxrules]

Was is Cora's decision to put Whitlock as a starter? If so that really worked out well.

[moonslav59]

Was is Cora's decision to put Whitlock as a starter? If so that really worked out well.

 

Not sure if this is sarcasm, but I was fully on board with Whitlock starting (and Houck closing.)

 

While the Sox went 5-4 in Whitlock's 9 starts, about par with the team's winning %, he had some games where the pen messed up a good start, or the bats were silent. (All of our starters have faced these problems, too.)

 

The 4 losses...

4 IP 1H 0ER 0 BB 7K (We lost 3-2 @ TBR)

3 IP 4H 0ER 2BB 2K (Lost 1-0 @ TOR)

5 IP 2H 2ER 0BB 9K (Lost 10-5 v LAA)

6 IP 5H 2ER 1BB 4K (Lost 12-8 v BAL)

 

In all fairness, he did have one start where he let up 5ER in 4 IP (10 hits) and we won 6-5, but with some luck, we could easily have been 8-1 in his 9 starts.

[notin]

For argument's sake, let's say the plan is Downs. Who plays SS?

 

If the plan is Downs, then Bogaerts is likely not in the plan. Unless for some reason he decides to move to LF…

[notin]

Perennial candidate Terry Francona is certainly a good choice again this year. If he can win the division with one of the youngest rosters in the past 30 years, he probably vaults to the top of the list…

[Bellhorn04]

Was is Cora's decision to put Whitlock as a starter? If so that really worked out well.

 

What are you talking about?

[moonslav59]

If the plan is Downs, then Bogaerts is likely not in the plan. Unless for some reason he decides to move to LF…

 

Yes, the hypothetical was where does Story play, SS or 2B, if the plan is to start Downs, next season. (Not likely, but just trying to get a feel for how strongly people feel about leaving Story at 2B, next year, assuming Bogey does not return.

[moonslav59]

Perennial candidate Terry Francona is certainly a good choice again this year. If he can win the division with one of the youngest rosters in the past 30 years, he probably vaults to the top of the list…

 

Kevin Cash might be on the short list.

 

They just passed us, and I think they have their top 5 pen guys injured, plus others.

[redsoxrules]

Not sure if this is sarcasm, but I was fully on board with Whitlock starting (and Houck closing.)

 

While the Sox went 5-4 in Whitlock's 9 starts, about par with the team's winning %, he had some games where the pen messed up a good start, or the bats were silent. (All of our starters have faced these problems, too.)

 

The 4 losses...

4 IP 1H 0ER 0 BB 7K (We lost 3-2 @ TBR)

3 IP 4H 0ER 2BB 2K (Lost 1-0 @ TOR)

5 IP 2H 2ER 0BB 9K (Lost 10-5 v LAA)

6 IP 5H 2ER 1BB 4K (Lost 12-8 v BAL)

 

In all fairness, he did have one start where he let up 5ER in 4 IP (10 hits) and we won 6-5, but with some luck, we could easily have been 8-1 in his 9 starts.

 

He's on the DL. Many of you cited last year he was fragile which was why he wasn't used a lot. So now that's he's moved as a starter and gets injured it's a good move? I've said this many times, the workload of a starter is way heavier than a a reliever. He'd still be pitching right now more than likely if he was left in the pen.

[redsoxrules]

What are you talking about?

 

He's on the DL

[mvp 78]

He's on the DL. Many of you cited last year he was fragile which was why he wasn't used a lot. So now that's he's moved as a starter and gets injured it's a good move? I've said this many times, the workload of a starter is way heavier than a a reliever. He'd still be pitching right now more than likely if he was left in the pen.

 

Who said he's "fragile?" He was coming off an injury.

 

I'm not sure if him being put into the rotation caused this injury. Maybe not having a set plan for him from Spring Training on and splitting his time between relieving and starting had an impact? I thought I heard somewhere that the injury was in part due to how he was working out between starts?

 

I still believe his best role is as starter.

[moonslav59]

He's on the DL. Many of you cited last year he was fragile which was why he wasn't used a lot. So now that's he's moved as a starter and gets injured it's a good move? I've said this many times, the workload of a starter is way heavier than a a reliever. He'd still be pitching right now more than likely if he was left in the pen.

 

He was not fragile. Being on an innings limit is not the same as fragile.

 

The idea is to increase innings each year.

 

This is like saying Sale should never start, again.

[Maxbialystock]

Back to Cora as manager of the year.

 

After watching and thinking about this series with the Rays, I'm beginning to have doubts about Cora. Tonight Schreiber should have started the 7th. Plus why oh why was Houck never used despite the fact that the middle relievers were killing the Sox (except in last night's game).

 

More than that, the Rays simply look more professional than the Sox--on the mound, running the bases, playing defense, and hitting.

[illinoisredsox]

Back to Cora as manager of the year.

 

After watching and thinking about this series with the Rays, I'm beginning to have doubts about Cora. Tonight Schreiber should have started the 7th. Plus why oh why was Houck never used despite the fact that the middle relievers were killing the Sox (except in last night's game).

 

More than that, the Rays simply look more professional than the Sox--on the mound, running the bases, playing defense, and hitting.

 

Crawford was cruising; I had no issue with him starting the 7th. Schreiber should have been warming, and Crawford should have been lifted after the first hit and certainly no later than the second.

[Bellhorn04]

Crawford was cruising; I had no issue with him starting the 7th. Schreiber should have been warming, and Crawford should have been lifted after the first hit and certainly no later than the second.

 

FWIW modern managers don't seem to like having guys start to warm up "too early". So Cora didn't want Schreiber to be warming up through the 7th and then pitching the 8th.

 

I'll have to take an agnostic stance on that myself.

[mvp 78]

Back to Cora as manager of the year.

 

After watching and thinking about this series with the Rays, I'm beginning to have doubts about Cora. Tonight Schreiber should have started the 7th. Plus why oh why was Houck never used despite the fact that the middle relievers were killing the Sox (except in last night's game).

 

More than that, the Rays simply look more professional than the Sox--on the mound, running the bases, playing defense, and hitting.

Why? Crawford didn't have a high pitch count? When all was said and done, he only threw 91 pitches.

 

If Houck is the closer, why would you use him in the 7th inning? Didn't Schreiber end up taking the loss anyway?

[oldtimer]

Crawford was cruising; I had no issue with him starting the 7th. Schreiber should have been warming, and Crawford should have been lifted after the first hit and certainly no later than the second.

 

Yes, I agree and see that as a major mistake by Cora. While the players were largely to blame for the poor showing in the first 3 Rays games, I see Cora as the culprit in last night's game.