7/12 @ Devil Rays

[iortiz]

Brasier is not our worst pitcher. Not even close.

 

Yes, it's not rocket science.

 

Who is worst?

[FredLynn]

It's a fair question, Mr Know-it-all.

 

They aren’t going to be sellers. They are in the WC race and hopefully soon will be healthier. All you need to do in October is make the playoffs. The Braves proved that last year.

Still, playing unwatchable brain dead baseball like tonight isn’t going to help.

[moonslav59]

Who is worst?

 

On the 26, now?

The question is worse not worst, because there are at least 3:

 

Diekman easily

Ort obviously

Valdez clearly

 

Sawamura- maybe

 

Davis- maybe

 

Strahm- recently

 

On the IL:

Barnes

Seabold

Maybe Danish

 

Starting, now:

Crawford

 

Is that enough?

 

Some of these names are debatable, but no way is Brasier the worst.

 

Eye Test

Red's Eye Test

Stats

Metrics

Bloom's opinion

Cora's opinion

 

[iortiz]

On the 26, now?

The question is worse not worst, because there are at least 3:

 

Diekman easily

Ort obviously

Valdez clearly

 

Sawamura- maybe

 

Davis- maybe

 

Strahm- recently

 

On the IL:

Barnes

Seabold

Maybe Danish

 

Starting, now:

Crawford

 

Is that enough?

 

Some of these names are debatable, but no way is Brasier the worst.

 

Eye Test

Red's Eye Test

Stats

Metrics

Bloom's opinion

Cora's opinion

 

We are talking about the BP dude. Brasier is worse than all of these except Barnes, and yes, it’s not even close.

[illinoisredsox]

We are talking about the BP dude. Brasier is worse than all of these except Barnes, and yes, it’s not even close.

 

I knew you wouldn’t actually answer my question. Whoever is not an answer.

[FredLynn]

Whoever. Whoever is better than Brasier. Not rocket science.

 

Brasier didn’t lose this game for us. That would be on

 

Verdugo

Cordero

And Vasquez

[iortiz]

I knew you wouldn’t actually answer my question. Whoever is not an answer.

 

Easy, who went after Brasier? Those!

 

Plus, who else were available? Well, them.

 

Answered?

 

You just don’t put Brasier in close games.

 

Brasier is the worst RP in the team in my book along with Barnes.

[iortiz]

Brasier didn’t lose this game for us. That would be on

 

Verdugo

Cordero

And Vasquez

 

He started the debacle.

[Maxbialystock]

Keep sending Brasier, Cora.

 

One more time. The Sox lost 3-2, and 2 of the Rays runs were unearned. By no conceivable calculation can this loss be blamed on Brasier or, for that matter, Cora. Verdugo got himself picked off 3b with no one out. Cordero and Stahm committed the errors that brought in the 2 unearned Rays runs. The top 4 in the Sox batting order went to the plate 16 times and got 1 hit, 1 BB and 5 K's.

[moonslav59]

We are talking about the BP dude. Brasier is worse than all of these except Barnes, and yes, it’s not even close.

 

Diekman should have been DFA'd weeks ago. He's way worse.

 

Everybody I listed is or has been in the BP, this year, except Seabold, who may be, soon.

 

Go ahead and throw out Seabold & Crawford. The rest are straight pen guys.

 

Diekman, Barnes, Ort and Valdez are worse.

 

Sawamura, Danish, Davis and the recent Strahm are close.

[Maxbialystock]

He started the debacle.

 

No, actually, Sale started the debacle by not coming out to pitch the 6th inning.

 

That's silly, of course, but not much sillier than blaming the loss on Brasier, who actually got two outs in the 6th before Strahm was brought in to pitch to Choi, who was then pinch-hit for by Majia, who singled and was followed by Walls who also singled, which led to the two egregious errors by Strahm (not Brasier) and Cordero (also not Brasier).

 

If anything, one can make a case for leaving Brasier in to pitch to Choi because he struck out the last hitter (Arozorena) he faced.

Edited July 13, 2022 by Maxbialystock

[FredLynn]

He started the debacle.

 

He gave up one ER. It happens. I don’t think he pitched awful. If not for the brain dead baseball his teammates displayed we still would have had a good chance to win this game.

[illinoisredsox]

Diekman should have been DFA'd weeks ago. He's way worse.

 

Everybody I listed is or has been in the BP, this year, except Seabold, who may be, soon.

 

Go ahead and throw out Seabold & Crawford. The rest are straight pen guys.

 

Diekman, Barnes, Ort and Valdez are worse.

 

Sawamura, Danish, Davis and the recent Strahm are close.

 

Exactly. Eliminating Barnes and Danish (since they aren’t on the active roster right now), you’ve 4 guys in Sawamura, Brasier, Davis and Strahm who all have their moments good and bad, and like Forrest Gump’s box of chocolates, you never know what you’ll get from them on a given night. And you generally are going to use at least one per game.

[moonslav59]

Exactly. Eliminating Barnes and Danish (since they aren’t on the active roster right now), you’ve 4 guys in Sawamura, Brasier, Davis and Strahm who all have their moments good and bad, and like Forrest Gump’s box of chocolates, you never know what you’ll get from them on a given night. And you generally are going to use at least one per game.

 

Certainly Ort and Valdez are just as speculative, too.

 

I'm no fan of counting recency ab ove all else, but before tonight, these are the last 4 weeks OPS Against...

 

.296 Schreiber

.569 Brasier

.569 Sawamura

.630 Houck

.647 Davis

.680 Strahm

.750 Danish

.768 Diekman

.785 Valdez

 

Now, I'm not saying Btrasier is better than those behind him, on this list, but going with the hot hand is not really something you can blame a manager for doing.

 

Last 2 weeks? Okay, Brasier is worse than maybe all but Diekman, but still...Diekman's 1.239 OPSA in the last 7 games clearly puts him behind Brasier as "the worst."

 

 

[moonslav59]

All this being said, I would not blink an eye, if we traded, demoted or DFA'd Brasier, tomorrow, but he's not #1, 2 or even 3 on my DFA list.

[FredLynn]

Certainly Ort and Valdez are just as speculative, too.

 

I'm no fan of counting recency ab ove all else, but before tonight, these are the last 4 weeks OPS Against...

 

.296 Schreiber

.569 Brasier

.569 Sawamura

.630 Houck

.647 Davis

.680 Strahm

.750 Danish

.768 Diekman

.785 Valdez

 

Now, I'm not saying Btrasier is better than those behind him, on this list, but going with the hot hand is not really something you can blame a manager for doing.

 

Last 2 weeks? Okay, Brasier is worse than maybe all but Diekman, but still...Diekman's 1.239 OPSA in the last 7 games clearly puts him behind Brasier as "the worst."

 

 

 

Just an eyeball test but Ort seems to have done ok.

Brasier is on and off like most RPs.

[moonslav59]

Just an eyeball test but Ort seems to have done ok.

 

In 2.1 IP.

 

Brasier has quite a few nice 2.1 IP stretches.

[Maxbialystock]

In 2.1 IP.

 

Brasier has quite a few nice 2.1 IP stretches.

 

Season to date, Brasier had an excellent April (ERA 2.57, 7 IP), lousy May (ERA 7.84, 10.1 IP), excellent June (ERA 2.25, 12 IP), and lousy July (ERA 6.75, 4 IP).

[moonslav59]

Season to date, Brasier had an excellent April (ERA 2.57, 7 IP), lousy May (ERA 7.84, 10.1 IP), excellent June (ERA 2.25, 12 IP), and lousy July (ERA 6.75, 4 IP).

 

I don't want to sound like I'm confident in Brasier. I'm not, right now. I just think others are worse and mayb e project to be worse going forward.

[mvp 78]

Season to date, Brasier had an excellent April (ERA 2.57, 7 IP), lousy May (ERA 7.84, 10.1 IP), excellent June (ERA 2.25, 12 IP), and lousy July (ERA 6.75, 4 IP).

 

Per Statcast:

 

Exit Velocity: Bottom 5%

Hard Hit %: Bottom 5%

BB%: Top 5%

 

He's not walking a lot of guys, but guys are really squaring him up. He was "good" in June, but that may be more due to BABIP luck than anything else.

[mvp 78]

I don't want to sound like I'm confident in Brasier. I'm not, right now. I just think others are worse and mayb e project to be worse going forward.

 

Valdez and Sawamura? I don't seem them dumping Dreckman until next season.

[moonslav59]

Per Statcast:

 

Exit Velocity: Bottom 5%

Hard Hit %: Bottom 5%

BB%: Top 5%

 

He's not walking a lot of guys, but guys are really squaring him up. He was "good" in June, but that may be more due to BABIP luck than anything else.

 

How do these numbers stack up to Diekman?

[mvp 78]

How do these numbers stack up to Diekman?

 

They are completely different pitchers. Diekman's issues are the neverending walks. If he stopped walking guys, he could be a closer. Diekman's Statcast is lit up red like a Christmas tree except for BB% (bottom 1%), xOBP (bottom 3%). His EV is bottom 23, but it is offset by a Brl rate of top 81. I can see why Bloom took a chance on Diekman for at least one year when you look at the metrics.

[Bellhorn04]

They are completely different pitchers. Diekman's issues are the neverending walks. If he stopped walking guys, he could be a closer. Diekman's Statcast is lit up red like a Christmas tree except for BB% (bottom 1%), xOBP (bottom 3%). His EV is bottom 23, but it is offset by a Brl rate of top 81. I can see why Bloom took a chance on Diekman for at least one year when you look at the metrics.

 

But if the Dreck Man could figure out how not to walk guys he'd have done it long ago...

[moonslav59]

They are completely different pitchers. Diekman's issues are the neverending walks. If he stopped walking guys, he could be a closer. Diekman's Statcast is lit up red like a Christmas tree except for BB% (bottom 1%), xOBP (bottom 3%). His EV is bottom 23, but it is offset by a Brl rate of top 81. I can see why Bloom took a chance on Diekman for at least one year when you look at the metrics.

 

If you had to DFA Diekman or Brasier, today, who would you choose?

 

How do Ort and Valdez fall on your first to be DFA'd chart?

 

Anyone else high on your list?

 

(Not the list you think Bloom has, but your list.)

[Bellhorn04]

If you had to DFA Diekman or Brasier, today, who would you choose?

 

How do Ort and Valdez fall on your first to be DFA'd chart?

 

Anyone else high on your list?

 

(Not the list you think Bloom has, but your list.)

 

No one is DFA'ing Ort right now, that's for sure. The others are looking very fungible indeed.

[moonslav59]

No one is DFA'ing Ort right now, that's for sure. The others are looking very fungible indeed.

 

For sure?

 

Because of 2 IP?

[Bellhorn04]

For sure?

 

Because of 2 IP?

 

OK, it's not a certainty, but Ort pitched well for Woo, they brought him up and he has done well in his small MLB sample. That's not usually the guy you DFA.

[moonslav59]

OK, it's not a certainty, but Ort pitched well for Woo, they brought him up and he has done well in his small MLB sample. That's not usually the guy you DFA.

 

Quite often the guy you most recently added to the 40, is the first to go. Some never even play a game.

 

Yes, Ort did well at Woo, but so have many pitchers- some have not looked as good, but with much larger ML sample sizes.

 

I could be wrong, but I really don't think Brasier is in the top 2-3 on Bloom's DFA list.

 

We may not find out, soon, since others with options will be demoted, first, in all likelihood.

[Bellhorn04]

Quite often the guy you most recently added to the 40, is the first to go. Some never even play a game.

 

Yes, Ort did well at Woo, but so have many pitchers- some have not looked as good, but with much larger ML sample sizes.

 

I could be wrong, but I really don't think Brasier is in the top 2-3 on Bloom's DFA list.

 

We may not find out, soon, since others with options will be demoted, first, in all likelihood.

 

The thing about Ort is that he's sort of a Bloom project. They've invested two years in developing him. And we got him from the Yankees!