Fire Bloom .

[cp176]

Most of the average fans I believe do not want to hear about extended future, but there is NO Reason not to be competitive every year unlike this year. The average fan doesn’t think about what the 40 man will look like next year, or any other year, and only care about what’s going on at the present time.

 

 

this probably is true. i would go further and say that most very good Red Sox fans do not immerse themselves in most of the outside the lines talk that gets discussed here.

[Old Red]

this probably is true. i would go further and say that most very good Red Sox fans do not immerse themselves in most of the outside the lines talk that gets discussed here.

 

I would agree 100%.

[Old Red]

From the farm, and from payroll being freed up as contracts like JD's, Price's and Eovaldi's expire.

 

Ok. I agree, but I also believe from the possibility of losses of Bogey, Raffy, and the already Mookie departure. You won’t get equal value to replace, so you don’t get better that way.

[moonslav59]

Beyond drafting and IFA signings, Bloom had added over two dozen prospects. Some have already been let go or look so unpromising they don't even crack the top 60 list on soxprospects.com, but it is clear to me, building up the farm was at least the top priority until now, and perhaps still is. (I don't expect Bloom to broadcast, if the top priority has changed.)

 

Here are some prospects added by Bloom over the years:

 

9 Winckowski (w Cordero & others for Beni)

12 Seabold (w Pivetta for Workman & Hembree)

14 E Valdez (Vaz)

17 Wong (w Verdugo & Downs for Betts and Price)

23 Downs (w Verdugo & Wong for Betts and Price)

26 Abreu (Vaz)

28 Binelas (w JBJ for Renfroe)

30 German (w Ottavino as salary dump trade by Yanks)

39 R Hernandez (Mazza & Springs)

40 Koss (Y Aybar)

50 Hamilton (w JBJ & Binelas for Renfroe)

59 Wallace (Moreland)

NR

Abraham Almonte (for cash from MIL)

Luis de la Rosa (w Wink, Cordero & others for Beni)

Freddy Valdez (w Wink, Cordero & others for Beni)

Grant Gambrell (w Wink, Cordero & others for Beni)

H Potts (w JRosario for Moreland)

 

I think the plan is to build up and b uild up, until we think we are within 1-2 big players away from being a top contender, Then, we splurge and hope it's enough. I don't think we will ever see a Henry team go all in like 2018, again. Maybe that means we never win again, but we did win in 2013 and other years withou sacrificing the future to do so.

[Elktonnick]

The front office said the plan was to rebuild and compete at the same time. In 2021 and 2022 competing meant having a good shot at making the playoffs each year. It succeeded last year and looks likely to fail this year for various reasons.

 

As for not divulging specific plans for 2023 to Merloni, that's to be expected. GM's are not supposed to tip their hand to the rest of baseball.

Blooms plan is so secret he won't even tell himself.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

For my part I get the plan. I just don't think its executable in Boston as I have expressed subtly in this very thread.

 

Imho, trading VAZ should be filed under PLAN 9 FROM OUTER SPACE.

[Elktonnick]

Imho, trading VAZ should be filed under PLAN 9 FROM OUTER SPACE.

Shh! No one is supposed to know Bloom's plan is top secret.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Shh! No one is supposed to know Bloom's plan is top secret.

 

Let's just say that the plan was about as good as the movie.

[Old Red]

Shh! No one is supposed to know Bloom's plan is top secret.

 

Remember Bloom is still trying to figure out that 3rd option at the fork in the road.

[Elktonnick]

Remember Bloom is still trying to figure out that 3rd option at the fork in the road.

 

Remember what Yogi used to say "When you come to a fork in the road, take it!"

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Remember what Yogi used to say "When you come to a fork in the road, take it!"

 

He also said "it's getting late early."

[Elktonnick]

He also said "it's getting late early."

It certainly is for the Red Sox

[dgalehouse]

I think Bloom is a very intelligent man. No question. Unfortunately , he is also a pencil neck geek . I think he has trouble relating to ballplayers and to Joe Soxfan.

Regardless what you may think were the circumstances surrounding the Mookie trade , when you are the new Sheriff in town and your first move is to trade the best and most popular player the team has had in years , the face of the franchise , if you will , you are getting off on the wrong foot and you had better win. I personally think he should be given his walking papers , but I doubt that will happen at this point. I do not know how long of a leash he is on. I think the best thing he could do now to right the ship would be to extend Bogaerts and Devers and then, during the off season , get to work on improving the bullpen and the outfield.

[Old Red]

I think Bloom is a very intelligent man. No question. Unfortunately , he is also a pencil neck geek . I think he has trouble relating to ballplayers and to Joe Soxfan.

Regardless what you may think were the circumstances surrounding the Mookie trade , when you are the new Sheriff in town and your first move is to trade the best and most popular player the team has had in years , the face of the franchise , if you will , you are getting off on the wrong foot and you had better win. I personally think he should be given his walking papers , but I doubt that will happen at this point. I do not know how long of a leash he is on. I think the best thing he could do now to right the ship would be to extend Bogaerts and Devers and then, during the off season , get to work on improving the bullpen and the outfield.

 

Agree 100%.

[Elktonnick]

Agree 100%.

If Henry does not authorize the money to keep Bogey and/or Devers then it will be a long time before Boston is competitive again.

[Old Red]

If Henry does not authorize the money to keep Bogey and/or Devers then it will be a long time before Boston is competitive again.

 

But some on here will tell you the future looks bright. Did someone say prospects?

[notin]

Most of the average fans I believe do not want to hear about extended future, but there is NO Reason not to be competitive every year unlike this year. The average fan doesn’t think about what the 40 man will look like next year, or any other year, and only care about what’s going on at the present time.

 

Yeah but you can’t expect and don’t want a GM who acts like an average fan. And certainly ownership doesn’t want one…

[Elktonnick]

But some on here will tell you the future looks bright. Did someone say prospects?

There are many here who believe the ultimate goal for a major league team is have the best farm system. To hell with world titles.

[Old Red]

Yeah but you can’t expect and don’t want a GM who acts like an average fan. And certainly ownership doesn’t want one…

 

The fans help pay the bills. Or not.

[moonslav59]

There are many here who believe the ultimate goal for a major league team is have the best farm system. To hell with world titles.

 

Name one.

[moonslav59]

If Henry does not authorize the money to keep Bogey and/or Devers then it will be a long time before Boston is competitive again.

 

Is Bogey the best MLB SS?

 

Could replacing him with TTurner, Correo or even Story be devastating to our chances at winning a ring?

 

Could he not sign Bogey but go with Swanson and Judge and still have a winner?

 

This whole B ogey or bust argument is beyond lame.

 

Now, if you argue Betts or Devers, you'll have a better point, IMO, but even they can be replaced, in kind, assuming Henry continues spending as is.

[notin]

The fans help pay the bills. Or not.

 

So?

 

Fans pay for everything in Hollywood, too. But I bet they won’t let you direct a movie…

[Old Red]

Is Bogey the best MLB SS?

 

Could replacing him with TTurner, Correo or even Story be devastating to our chances at winning a ring?

 

Could he not sign Bogey but go with Swanson and Judge and still have a winner?

 

This whole B ogey or bust argument is beyond lame.

 

Now, if you argue Betts or Devers, you'll have a better point, IMO, but even they can be replaced, in kind, assuming Henry continues spending as is.

 

Beyond lame? Wow!

[Bellhorn04]

There are many here who believe the ultimate goal for a major league team is have the best farm system. To hell with world titles.

 

Strawman.

[Elktonnick]

Name one.

Gertrude, Act 3 Scene 2 Hamlet

[Elktonnick]

Strawman.

You are entitled to your uniformed opinion as always.

[Bellhorn04]

You are entitled to your uniformed opinion as always.

 

Just as you are entitled to continue being the most pompous poster on the board.

[moonslav59]

Strawman.

 

He hides behind his claim to not get personal by not naming names, but his whole "many posters..." spiel is getting old and tiring.

 

Not one poster thinks having the best farm trumps winning rings. Some feel having a top 5-10 farm greatly improves the chances of winning rings or multiple rings, but nobody has come close to claiming a strong farm matters more than the big team winning.

 

He cannot name one, because there is not one- let alone "many."

[Elktonnick]

Just as you are entitled to continue being the most pompous poster on the board.

 

I can see how I would appear pompous to the simple minded and uninformed

[Elktonnick]

He hides behind his claim to not get personal by not naming names, but his whole "many posters..." spiel is getting old and tiring.

 

Not one poster thinks having the best farm trumps winning rings. Some feel having a top 5-10 farm greatly improves the chances of winning rings or multiple rings, but nobody has come close to claiming a strong farm matters more than the big team winning.

 

He cannot name one, because there is not one- let alone "many."

 

58,000 posts since April 2016. You really do not have a life outside this board. No one wonder you get so worked up over the trivial. do you nerves a favor if I am so tiresome just put me on ignore. But you can"t because this board is your life, pathetic.