Fire Bloom .

[moonslav59]

Lots of Bloom bashers have stopped coming around as much.

[Randy Red Sox]

why?? we just lost 2 of 3 to the mighty A's.

Lots of Bloom bashers have stopped coming around as much.

[Randy Red Sox]

yeah and almost all of them are DD guys

Solid B sounds about right. Not bad when you consider we graduated more good players in the last year or two than we have in a long time.

[Randy Red Sox]

and where do you see Yorke fitting in with the Sox when/if he gets to Boston?

The draft is a crapshoot. They went a little underslot with that pick because they didn't have a 2nd round pick. Not every 1st rounder turns into a top 100 guy. That pick has worked out as a plus IMO.

[mvp 78]

and where do you see Yorke fitting in with the Sox when/if he gets to Boston?

 

Initially, there were lots of concerns about his defense being an issue and him having to move to off position (possibly LF). If he moved to LF, it puts lots of pressure on the bat to play at a high level. Fortunately, his defense now is closer to average/slightly below average. It's ok enough that if he's hitting the way we expect him to do that he can stay at 2B for a while.

 

The issue the Sox will run into is what to do about Story if Yorke and Mayer are both ready to play full time.

[moonslav59]

why?? we just lost 2 of 3 to the mighty A's.

 

They are waiting for one more loss. They've been fooled before.

[moonslav59]

and where do you see Yorke fitting in with the Sox when/if he gets to Boston?

 

By the time Yorke and Mayer are both ML fulltimers, assuming that happens, we should be able to work it out. Maybe trade one or DH Yorke, until Story's contract expires.

[Dipre]

By the time Yorke and Mayer are both ML fulltimers, assuming that happens, we should be able to work it out. Maybe trade one or DH Yorke, until Story's contract expires.

 

Yorke's bat would not play up at DH, since he's a HIT first guy. Also too young to not play him at a position. That problem will sort itself out when the time comes.

[notin]

yeah and almost all of them are DD guys

 

Yes, it’s surprising that we’ve graduated more players from 4-7 years ago than 1-3 years ago…

[mvp 78]

yeah and almost all of them are DD guys

 

You can say that Casas is a DD guy for sure. He definitely had a role in signing him. However, there is no chance he had any idea who Perales or Bello was at the time they were signed. He had no idea who Duran or Murphy were prior to the draft. Ultimately attributing most players to a specific CBO/GM doesn't work well. Feel free to complain about FA deals, trades or 1st round draft picks, but anything else is kind of hard to pin down on the guy at the top. It really comes down to the whole system that should get credit or blame.

[Dipre]

You can say that Casas is a DD guy for sure. He definitely had a role in signing him. However, there is no chance he had any idea who Perales or Bello was at the time they were signed. He had no idea who Duran or Murphy were prior to the draft. Ultimately attributing most players to a specific CBO/GM doesn't work well. Feel free to complain about FA deals, trades or 1st round draft picks, but anything else is kind of hard to pin down on the guy at the top. It really comes down to the whole system that should get credit or blame.

 

The CBO assembles the team, instills drafting/development philosophies and decides how important prospects are handled. That's why I put so much emphasis on the development aspect and not just the drafting.

[mvp 78]

The CBO assembles the team, instills drafting/development philosophies and decides how important prospects are handled. That's why I put so much emphasis on the development aspect and not just the drafting.

 

Do we give Bloom credit for not trading these prospects away when DD may have? The arguments are just always a slippery slope to get the person to favor the guy they like.

[Dipre]

Do we give Bloom credit for not trading these prospects away when DD may have? The arguments are just always a slippery slope to get the person to favor the guy they like.

 

DD credit for drafting them, Bloom credit for developing them. I do not dislike DD, au contraire. He did what he was brought in to do, same as Bloom.

[mvp 78]

DD credit for drafting them, Bloom credit for developing them. I do not dislike DD, au contraire. He did what he was brought in to do, same as Bloom.

 

I don't believe you dislike DD or any of the GM's.

 

My ranking has been:

 

Theo

DD

Ben

Bloom

Duquette (the only guy I maybe dislike after thinking about it)

[moonslav59]

Yorke's bat would not play up at DH, since he's a HIT first guy. Also too young to not play him at a position. That problem will sort itself out when the time comes.

 

Yes, more likely he plays OF or something over DH, but he might hit well enough to DH, IMO.

[Dipre]

I don't believe you dislike DD or any of the GM's.

 

My ranking has been:

 

Theo

DD

Ben

Bloom

Duquette (the only guy I maybe dislike after thinking about it)

 

Theo

Bloom

DD

Ben

Duquette (disliked him and still do)

[mvp 78]

Theo

Bloom

DD

Ben

Duquette (disliked him and still do)

 

I bump up Ben and DD because of the rings.

 

DD got a ring and a bunch of ALE titles. He did exactly what he was hired to do. Ben managed the farm ok, won a title, but couldn't quite figure out the MLB squad. He really let it become a shitshow at times and probably had less power than Bloom.

 

If Bloom wins a ring, he gets to at least third on my rankings, above Ben.

[Dipre]

I bump up Ben and DD because of the rings.

 

DD got a ring and a bunch of ALE titles. He did exactly what he was hired to do. Ben managed the farm ok, won a title, but couldn't quite figure out the MLB squad. He really let it become a shitshow at times and probably had less power than Bloom.

 

If Bloom wins a ring, he gets to at least third on my rankings, above Ben.

 

I want this team to produce a sustainable contender, and I like the work he has done reworking the farm. Because of increased parity and a harder climate to gain a competitive advantage or exploit inefficiencies in the market, I give the edge to Bloom over DD and Ben, who is my least valued GM that I don't actively dislike.

[moonslav59]

Duquette left Theo a very nice foundation with very little deadwood and a decent farm system.

 

I'm not sure I'd bump him over anyone, except Ben.

 

Bloom's farm is largely TBD.

 

Ben's farm was useful for DD to trade away for several ket pieces, but as it turned out, his prospects did not do as well as expected. Should he get points for the fact that DD turned them into Sale, Kimbrell & others. Too many poor big ticket decisions puts him last, in my book. I wanted to see him get another year or two at the helm, but in hindsight, I'm not sure we win another ring.

 

1. Theo

2. DD

3. Bloom (may pass DD, if his prospects amount to anything.)

4. Duquette

5. Ben

[Randy Red Sox]

personally I think our farm system is over-rated at least those at the older level. other than Mayo who likely will be the SS by 2025 and maybe Raffeala i don't see that much close to MLB ready.

I want this team to produce a sustainable contender, and I like the work he has done reworking the farm. Because of increased parity and a harder climate to gain a competitive advantage or exploit inefficiencies in the market, I give the edge to Bloom over DD and Ben, who is my least valued GM that I don't actively dislike.

[Hugh2]

personally I think our farm system is over-rated at least those at the older level. other than Mayo who likely will be the SS by 2025 and maybe Raffeala i don't see that much close to MLB ready.

 

Mayo?

[Hugh2]

This board would be shocked to learn how much little input guys like Bloom and DD have on bringing in amateur talent.

 

Theo probably never heard of Bogaerts until he was already in the system. Same with DD and Bello. These guys don’t touch that stuff, aside from a first round draft pick it’s the guys in the amateur scouting department making those moves.

 

Bloom can set the overall strategy, and pull the trigger on trades based on information provided for him but aside from MAYBE Teel, Bloom is just learning about a lot of these guys drafted too.

 

So, it’s a little silly to compare DDs system to Blooms. Because it’s not really their systems

[moonslav59]

This board would be shocked to learn how much little input guys like Bloom and DD have on bringing in amateur talent.

 

Theo probably never heard of Bogaerts until he was already in the system. Same with DD and Bello. These guys don’t touch that stuff, aside from a first round draft pick it’s the guys in the amateur scouting department making those moves.

 

Bloom can set the overall strategy, and pull the trigger on trades based on information provided for him but aside from MAYBE Teel, Bloom is just learning about a lot of these guys drafted too.

 

So, it’s a little silly to compare DDs system to Blooms. Because it’s not really their systems

 

Excellent post. I do think the GMs hire or keep the guys in charge of scouting, developing and indicating who to draft and sign, so they do deserve some credit.

[moonslav59]

Mayo?

 

Mayer.

[Randy Red Sox]

I typed MAYER but my stupid spellcheck said Mayo and I didn't catch it before clicking

Mayo?

[moonslav59]

personally I think our farm system is over-rated at least those at the older level. other than Mayo who likely will be the SS by 2025 and maybe Raffeala i don't see that much close to MLB ready.

 

It's hard to know just how good the farm is, especially with all the HS picks in our drafts. Ben's farm ended up not doing all that great in the bigs, but they brought us a lot in trade.

 

We do seem weaker at the AAA level, but we just graduated Bello, Casas and Duran, and before that Whitlock and Wink.

 

[moonslav59]

I do think the farm is more bottom level heavy, but I don't think we are all that weak at the top. Here is a look at what the farm has given us, recently and the ETAs on those to come:

 

We have no graduated prospects prior to May 2021 on our roster, except Devers (SEP '17.

 

Graduated:

2021: Whitlock, Houck, Dalbec

2022: Bello, Duran, Crawford, Winckowski, Wong, Ort

2023: Casas, Bernardino, Kelly

 

MLB Experience (not graduated):

13. Murphy, 11. Walter, 10. E Valdez, 22. Hamilton, 47. J Jacquez

 

ETA (RED= Rule 5 this winter)

2023: 18. Mata (injured)

2024: 1. Mayer, 3. Rafaela, 5. Yorke, 6. Drohan, 20. Abreu, 25. Guerrero, 26. R Fernandez

2025: 9. Wikelman, 12. Bonaci, 14. Meidroth, 15. Jordan, 17. Paulino, 21. Hickey

2026: 2. Bleis, 4. Anthony, 7. Perales, 8. Romero, 19. E R-C, 25. Castro, 29. Ravelo, 30. Rogers

2027>: 16. Joh Garcia, 23. Cespedes, 27. C Coffey, 28. Alcantara, 31. Brannon, 32. Monegro

 

In this light, the talent seems pretty evenly distributed.

[notin]

Mayo?

 

Yep. Cause he’s so smooooth.

 

Also because he mixes well with hard boiled eggs…

[moonslav59]

Yep. Cause he’s so smooooth.

 

Also because he mixes well with hard boiled eggs…

 

He also puts on a clinic, every time he plays.

[Randy Red Sox]

We have no REAL pitching prospects close to MLB ready and not even any real TOP pitching prospects at any level as far as I can see. That is not to say there are not P that can toss MLB innings but no real high end P prospects. Once Mayer takes over SS then I assume Story moves to 2B.. Where does that leave Yorke?? Devers signed long term. Where does that leave Jordan?? In my view they don't bring much real trade value either. Bloom needs to add young COST CONTROLLED TOP P prospects.

It's hard to know just how good the farm is, especially with all the HS picks in our drafts. Ben's farm ended up not doing all that great in the bigs, but they brought us a lot in trade.

 

We do seem weaker at the AAA level, but we just graduated Bello, Casas and Duran, and before that Whitlock and Wink.