Fire Bloom .

[Bellhorn04]

As far as Brasier and Ort are concerned, even if they're halfway useful, they're fungible. And the Red Sox have room under the tax cap if they need to acquire another reliever. It's impossible to make a case for either of them as valuable assets.

[notin]

Chris Sale hasn't seen many the last few years either.

 

And who lists him as a sure thing?

 

Of course, Sale’s past does include an inning or two above low A ball…

[harmony]

Well, he was also in the Navy and doing, you know, Navy stuff that presumably takes a fair amount of time.

 

But even if he got some tossing in, he hasn’t seen any hitters…

https://www.inquirer.com/phillies/phillies-noah-song-navy-roster-spring-training-20230223.html

[moonslav59]

And who lists him as a sure thing?

 

Of course, Sale’s past does include an inning or two above low A ball…

 

He might be a bigger “suspect” than Whitlock or even Bello or Mata!

 

😝

[Bellhorn04]

And who lists him as a sure thing?

 

Of course, Sale’s past does include an inning or two above low A ball…

 

Song is an unproven prospect. He's a suspect in Old Red vernacular.

 

But the argument about his hiatus being ruinous doesn't make a lot of sense when you really examine it.

 

Nor does the argument that he's going to hurt the Phillies' chances this year.

 

Unfortunately we're now in the position of hoping the kid fails.

[mvp 78]

Did he throw off a hill behind the barracks?

 

 

No. He himself stated he hasn't thrown off a mound since 2019. DD said they don't know if he'll show up throwing 85.

[mvp 78]

It would take little effort to find a college of high school field to work out , I don’t want to sound stupid but wouldn’t military bases have some sort of recreation fields or even teams

 

He said he wasn't even consistently playing catch.

[mvp 78]

Song is an unproven prospect. He's a suspect in Old Red vernacular.

 

But the argument about his hiatus being ruinous doesn't make a lot of sense when you really examine it.

 

Nor does the argument that he's going to hurt the Phillies' chances this year.

 

Unfortunately we're now in the position of hoping the kid fails.

 

He's definitely a SUSPECT with a capital S. He hasn't even pitched in 3 years. Comparisons to other players like Whitlock or Sale fall short as they were at least throwing off a mound during their rehabs and were working with MLB organizations. This guy was on his own and didn't have any baseball training regiment.

[notin]

Song is an unproven prospect. He's a suspect in Old Red vernacular.

 

But the argument about his hiatus being ruinous doesn't make a lot of sense when you really examine it.

 

Nor does the argument that he's going to hurt the Phillies' chances this year.

 

Unfortunately we're now in the position of hoping the kid fails.

 

1. It’s not the hiatus that’s the issue. It’s the fact that it took place after very few IP at a very, very low level. It’s not the same as Chris Sale, an established major leaguer l, missing time. Song not only isn’t an established major leaguer. He isn’t even as established minor leaguer.

 

2. Of course he stands a good chance to hurt the Phillies. No one knows if he’s any good right now, but they can’t demote him.

 

I don’t think we need to hope he fails. I recommend just waiting for DD to make a trade/financial offer. (Ok the financial offer is less exciting. But it’s a real possibility so I had to mention it. DD I isn’t going to try to bury Song in the back of sn MLB bullpen for a full year, hoping Song can rediscover himself while pitching even less. He really needs the ability to get him to the minors. He very likely will try to make that happen…

[Bellhorn04]

He's definitely a SUSPECT with a capital S. He hasn't even pitched in 3 years. Comparisons to other players like Whitlock or Sale fall short as they were at least throwing off a mound during their rehabs and were working with MLB organizations. This guy was on his own and didn't have any baseball training regiment.

 

On the other hand, he's 25 years old, presumably healthy as a horse, and was once thought to have first round potential if it wasn't for his military commitments.

 

Now it's the Phillies who are going to find out what he's got instead of us. As Dombrowski said, they had virtually nothing to lose.

 

All so we could keep Kaleb Freakin' Ort.

[Bellhorn04]

2. Of course he stands a good chance to hurt the Phillies. No one knows if he’s any good right now, but they can’t demote him.

 

Low-leverage appearances. They can DL him for half the season. They can return him.

 

Not seeing that much risk.

[Bellhorn04]

Honest question to everyone: if you could walk it back, would you prefer to have Song or Ort at the end of the 40 man?

[notin]

Low-leverage appearances. They can DL him for half the season. They can return him.

 

Not seeing that much risk.

 

I’m sure they’ll try to limit him to low leverage, but every now and then you need a guy because everyone else is spent. Cora didn’t use Kaleb Ort in extra innings against the Yankees because he thought he was the right guy; he did it because Ort was rested (hopefully).

 

It’s like why LOOGY’s were a bad strategy that killed your bullpen. The pen will be expected to pitch maybe 600+ IP. Spreading it out among 8 pitchers is better for everyone than spreading them out among 7. Especially if the 8th guy takes on the low leverage stuff. The last thing any team needs is a “low leverage specialist”.

 

And the IL doesn’t work. It just prolongs his status as Rule 5…

[notin]

Honest question to everyone: if you could walk it back, would you prefer to have Song or Ort at the end of the 40 man?

 

I don’t think adding Song to the 40 man over Ort would not have been smart. 40 man roster spots are too valuable for fliers with Song’s complete ok ack of a track record. But I’d have given it to Ward over Ort…

[mvp 78]

On the other hand, he's 25 years old, presumably healthy as a horse, and was once thought to have first round potential if it wasn't for his military commitments.

 

Now it's the Phillies who are going to find out what he's got instead of us. As Dombrowski said, they had virtually nothing to lose.

 

All so we could keep Kaleb Freakin' Ort.

 

It was $100,000. Maybe they catch lightning in a bottle?

 

I think it's interesting because it's a great unknown. It helps that it's the DD/Bloom dynamic too. Lots of story lines to talk about with this one. It's something we've never seen before.

[mvp 78]

I don’t think adding Song to the 40 man over Ort would not have been smart. 40 man roster spots are too valuable for fliers with Song’s complete ok ack of a track record. But I’d have given it to Ward over Ort…

 

I agree. Ward is more egregious than Song and it's not really close. Even if Song works out, it's hard to justify banking on an unknown commodity like that.

[Bellhorn04]

I agree. Ward is more egregious than Song and it's not really close. Even if Song works out, it's hard to justify banking on an unknown commodity like that.

 

It wouldn't be "banking on" him. To me that's hyperbole. He's a PROSPECT.

[Bellhorn04]

It is comforting to know, though, that as much as I think Song might be a blunder, Ward is a lot worse.

[Bellhorn04]

I mean, it's brutally obvious that the Sox are not all in on 2023. That just magnifies the strangeness of placing so much importance on retaining Ort, Brasier, Hamilton...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

He's definitely a SUSPECT with a capital S. He hasn't even pitched in 3 years. Comparisons to other players like Whitlock or Sale fall short as they were at least throwing off a mound during their rehabs and were working with MLB organizations. This guy was on his own and didn't have any baseball training regiment.

 

The biggest worry about Song is he makes it as a fulltime pitcher, then a few years from now the Navy needs him back behind the controls, but the closest he's been to a cockpit has been an aisle seat on a charter to a rival ballpark.

[mvp 78]

It wouldn't be "banking on" him. To me that's hyperbole. He's a PROSPECT.

 

SUSPECT is what we call 'em 'round here, partner...

[mvp 78]

I mean, it's brutally obvious that the Sox are not all in on 2023. That just magnifies the strangeness of placing so much importance on retaining Ort, Brasier, Hamilton...

 

Hamilton at least plays a different position. I can see the argument for keeping him. He plays 2B/SS/CF. He's very fast and can actually steal bases. If his bat ticked up with an approach adjustment, he would get a quick call.

[mvp 78]

The biggest worry about Song is he makes it as a fulltime pitcher, then a few years from now the Navy needs him back behind the controls, but the closest he's been to a cockpit has been an aisle seat on a charter to a rival ballpark.

 

If he was really good, I think the Navy would be more likely to leave him alone just for PR sake.

 

When I think of David Robinson, the Navy is one of the first things I think of. Not that Song would be on that level.

[mvp 78]

According to the Boston Globe, Bloom's drink of choice this Spring Training is Whistle Pig Piggyback Bourbon.

 

I'm more of a 1792 guy. Surprised it's not Buffalo Trace, but glad he's not drinking Blanton's.

[Bellhorn04]

Bloom seems like a super guy. I hope the team does well enough to keep him around.

[mvp 78]

Bloom seems like a super guy. I hope the team does well enough to keep him around.

 

If he was drinking Blanton's, I'd be calling for his head. He seems fine enough. I like that he admitted that he's a nerd, but not a robot and is unathletic. Lean into it my dude!

[mvp 78]

This is a decent quote.

 

“I’ve also had a lot of people who write and say that stuff on the radio who will privately disavow it and tell me they’re performing, so I don’t take any of it personally."

 

Sports radio isn't real life?

[moonslav59]

This is a decent quote.

 

“I’ve also had a lot of people who write and say that stuff on the radio who will privately disavow it and tell me they’re performing, so I don’t take any of it personally."

 

Sports radio isn't real life?

 

Newsflash for some.

[notin]

If he was really good, I think the Navy would be more likely to leave him alone just for PR sake.

 

When I think of David Robinson, the Navy is one of the first things I think of. Not that Song would be on that level.

 

Maybe Napoleon McCallum?

[notin]

Hamilton at least plays a different position. I can see the argument for keeping him. He plays 2B/SS/CF. He's very fast and can actually steal bases. If his bat ticked up with an approach adjustment, he would get a quick call.

 

Frankly I think Hamilton is the biggest question mark. He’s fast and is an excellent base runner. And what else? He’s OK as a hitter and, per Soxprospects, nothing special defensively. I mean, even Jarren Duran excelled at hitting minor league pitching.

 

So what is Hamilton? The next Terrance Gore?

 

I get keeping Brasier and Ort over him. The Sox do need someone in the bullpen…