Fire Bloom .

[moonslav59]

Bello hasn’t established anything yet, and neither has Casas, but call them what ever you want. No, no, and no on your last question, but they haven’t established anything in the ML either. Hype does not help in the standings, but if, and when it does it will be great.

 

I'm just commenting on your not calling them suspects, instead of prospects. I understand why you believe what you do. Those two have "shown something," so they are no longer total suspects. Either or both could still fall flat, as might Bogey, Renfroe, Beni, and others, going forward.

 

Just about every baseball player is "suspect" to some degree.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm just commenting on your not calling them suspects, instead of prospects. I understand why you believe what you do. Those two have "shown something," so they are no longer total suspects. Either or both could still fall flat, as might Bogey, Renfroe, Beni, and others, going forward.

 

Just about every baseball player is "suspect" to some degree.

 

Ah, good old reductionism.

[dgalehouse]

Time will tell the tale on Song and Ward. Just on the face of it, it doesn't look like a very smart move to expose promising young talent to the draft while protecting a number of 30 something year old career ham and eggers. Especially for an organization that needs to develop young pitching . And for an organization that likes to talk about cost control , sustainability and " prospects. "

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Time will tell the tale on Song and Ward. Just on the face of it, it doesn't look like a very smart move to expose promising young talent to the draft while protecting a number of 30 something year old career ham and eggers. Especially for an organization that needs to develop young pitching . And for an organization that likes to talk about cost control , sustainability and " prospects. "

 

Sometimes good teams are so deep in a wealth of talent they have no choice but to lose a good prospect or two, who are blocked by winners above replacements.

 

But of all the unprotected pro ballplayers eligible for the Rule V draft, the first overall pick comes from another last place team? Very unusual.

 

Could amount to nothing. But of the two last place clubs involved in the Ward transaction, one has the chance to look really clever (the $100K fee is about 13% of minimum wage for a rookie). The other has a chance to look totally incompetent.

[moonslav59]

Time will tell the tale on Song and Ward. Just on the face of it, it doesn't look like a very smart move to expose promising young talent to the draft while protecting a number of 30 something year old career ham and eggers. Especially for an organization that needs to develop young pitching . And for an organization that likes to talk about cost control , sustainability and " prospects. "

 

I could see, if we were looking to compete for a ring, keeping pitchers who might help, this year over longer term promises.

 

If we doe end up competing this year, I think I will see these choices a little differently, even if Ort and Brasier don't help all that much in 2023.

 

BTW, Ort has some promising attributes, too. His age works against him, but the Sox knew enough about TWard to make the call. If they all end up sucking, nothing was lost.

 

The Song choice was more difficult. He seems more promising, but so far away from the bigs. With all the eligibility issues going on, I can see why they felt he would not be taken.

 

I still have not heard a definitive answer on whether we knew he could pitch in 2023, before the Rule 5 protection date.

[Bellhorn04]

I still have not heard a definitive answer on whether we knew he could pitch in 2023, before the Rule 5 protection date.

 

The Rule 5 Draft was on Dec. 7. It wasn't until Feb. 22 that the Phillies announced he would be able to pitch in 2023.

 

Unless we hear anything further, it certainly seems like the Red Sox didn't know at the time.

[mvp 78]

Again, they like Brasier because of his low bb rate and believe his end of the season turnaround will bleed into this season. I'm not entirely sold on it. I don't think there's a lot of upside with him and at $2M you may as well just move on IMO.

 

With Ort, I guess he has options and throws hard? He has experience closing games in AAA? IDK. I would have dumped him before some of the recent DFA's for sure.

 

I guess we all have our Julio Lugos.

[mvp 78]

The Rule 5 Draft was on Dec. 7. It wasn't until Feb. 22 that the Phillies announced he would be able to pitch in 2023.

 

Unless we hear anything further, it certainly seems like the Red Sox didn't know at the time.

 

Nobody knew. Whatever happened, happened very recently.

 

The best case scenario was for Song to be out this season and to come back next year when he'd only have to be on the 26 man roster for 60 days instead of the whole year.

[moonslav59]

The Rule 5 Draft was on Dec. 7. It wasn't until Feb. 22 that the Phillies announced he would be able to pitch in 2023.

 

Unless we hear anything further, it certainly seems like the Red Sox didn't know at the time.

 

To me, that takes Bloom & Co. totally off the hook. No way should they have used up a 40 man roster slot on such a double or tripled unknown situation. (Unknown skill & value, unknown military status and unknown interest from other GMs.)

[moonslav59]

Nobody knew. Whatever happened, happened very recently.

 

The best case scenario was for Song to be out this season and to come back next year when he'd only have to be on the 26 man roster for 60 days instead of the whole year.

 

Conspiracy theory alert: did someone in the Navy give hints to DD?

[notin]

To me, that takes Bloom & Co. totally off the hook. No way should they have used up a 40 man roster slot on such a double or tripled unknown situation. (Unknown skill & value, unknown military status and unknown interest from other GMs.)

 

But he should still be fired.

 

 

 

 

(This might be sarcasm.)

[notin]

Conspiracy theory alert: did someone in the Navy give hints to DD?

 

Maybe the Navy decided Song could be the poster boy for recruitment. With his Rule 5 status, he’s guaranteed to be in MLB. And his navy career is likely to come up during every broadcast in which he pitches…

[moonslav59]

But he should still be fired.

 

 

 

 

(This might be sarcasm.)

 

What a fence-sitter!

[Bobe2]

I could see, if we were looking to compete for a ring, keeping pitchers who might help, this year over longer term promises.

 

If we doe end up competing this year, I think I will see these choices a little differently, even if Ort and Brasier don't help all that much in 2023.

 

BTW, Ort has some promising attributes, too. His age works against him, but the Sox knew enough about TWard to make the call. If they all end up sucking, nothing was lost.

 

The Song choice was more difficult. He seems more promising, but so far away from the bigs. With all the eligibility issues going on, I can see why they felt he would not be taken.

 

I still have not heard a definitive answer on whether we knew he could pitch in 2023, before the Rule 5 protection date.

Song applied for the exemption last February the secretary of the Navy has 1 year to respond, in his mind I’m sure Song knew he would get exemption but until the navy made it official with the announcement no one knew. So yes they should have known there was a good chance he would be given the exemption this year

[mvp 78]

Maybe the Navy decided Song could be the poster boy for recruitment. With his Rule 5 status, he’s guaranteed to be in MLB. And his navy career is likely to come up during every broadcast in which he pitches…

 

They need to attract some more young kids to grow up and help bravely shoot down balloons of the dastardly NIBBB.

[mvp 78]

Song applied for the exemption last February the secretary of the Navy has 1 year to respond, in his mind I’m sure Song knew he would get exemption but until the navy made it official with the announcement no one knew. So yes they should have known there was a good chance he would be given the exemption this year

 

His request for exemption had been denied previously. Why would he assume it would go through this time?

[Bobe2]

His request for exemption had been denied previously. Why would he assume it would go through this time?

 

He finished his obligated time to the Navy

[dgalehouse]

Perhaps Sox management should have done a little more homework on this.

[mvp 78]

He finished his obligated time to the Navy

 

No, because, if that were true he wouldn't need to file an exemption!

 

He was supposed to serve for 5 years. He hasn't finished that obligation.

[mvp 78]

Per Noah Song:

 

He didn’t throw off a mound between 2019 and last week.

 

I'm sure it'll be fine.

[Bobe2]

No, because, if that were true he wouldn't need to file an exemption!

 

He was supposed to serve for 5 years. He hasn't finished that obligation.

 

When he first graduated he appplied for an exemption it was denied, he was required to complete 3 years of training he couldn’t be part of national guard to complete the training, now he will be assigned to a guard unit so he can complete his 5 year tour and play ball

[Bobe2]

No, because, if that were true he wouldn't need to file an exemption!

 

He was supposed to serve for 5 years. He hasn't finished that obligation.

 

The exemption wasn’t to get out of the navy but to be able to do his flight training in a guard unit and play ball, now that training is over there is little reason to deny his request, when I spoke of obligation I meant training not tour

[moonslav59]

Per Noah Song:

 

He didn’t throw off a mound between 2019 and last week.

 

I'm sure it'll be fine.

 

Did he throw off a hill behind the barracks?

 

[Bobe2]

Did he throw off a hill behind the barracks?

 

If he has any brains at all he’s been throwing someplace for the last three years, it would be awfully stupid not to stay on top of his craft with the money pitchers make

[moonslav59]

If he has any brains at all he’s been throwing someplace for the last three years, it would be awfully stupid not to stay on top of his craft with the money pitchers make

 

That was kind of my point. I have to think he kept up some sort of workout regime to keep his arm strong.

 

If not, then his lack of brains would be reason enough not to have protected him.

[notin]

That was kind of my point. I have to think he kept up some sort of workout regime to keep his arm strong.

 

If not, then his lack of brains would be reason enough not to have protected him.

 

Well, he was also in the Navy and doing, you know, Navy stuff that presumably takes a fair amount of time.

 

But even if he got some tossing in, he hasn’t seen any hitters…

[Bellhorn04]

Conspiracy theory alert: did someone in the Navy give hints to DD?

 

DD paid someone off for sure.

[Bellhorn04]

Well, he was also in the Navy and doing, you know, Navy stuff that presumably takes a fair amount of time.

 

But even if he got some tossing in, he hasn’t seen any hitters…

 

Chris Sale hasn't seen many the last few years either.

[Bobe2]

That was kind of my point. I have to think he kept up some sort of workout regime to keep his arm strong.

 

If not, then his lack of brains would be reason enough not to have protected him.

It would take little effort to find a college of high school field to work out , I don’t want to sound stupid but wouldn’t military bases have some sort of recreation fields or even teams

[Bellhorn04]

In any case, as at least one other poster has pointed out, it does seem a little curious that a team that's supposedly building toward the future would leave unprotected two young pitchers like Song and Ward in favor of who they kept.