Fire Bloom .

[Tedballgame]

How does Bloom keep Kaleb Ort on the 40 man and leave Thad Ward exposed? 31 years old vs 26 (by start of 2023 season). Ward has had injuries but has been successful in minors when healthy. Ort had a 6.75 ERA last year. I don't get it.

[Tedballgame]

Red Sox interested in Matt Carpenter. Dodgers interested in signing J.D.M.

[notin]

How does Bloom keep Kaleb Ort on the 40 man and leave Thad Ward exposed? 31 years old vs 26 (by start of 2023 season). Ward has had injuries but has been successful in minors when healthy. Ort had a 6.75 ERA last year. I don't get it.

 

100% behind this. Bogaerts appears to have been a financially motivated loss. Ort over Ward was just stupid (assuming Ward didn’t have done serious issues I know nothing about)…

[notin]

Red Sox interested in Matt Carpenter. Dodgers interested in signing J.D.M.

 

Pass on Caroenter, although I said the same thing last year and the guy turned out to be Babe Ruth 2.0…

[moonslav59]

How does Bloom keep Kaleb Ort on the 40 man and leave Thad Ward exposed? 31 years old vs 26 (by start of 2023 season). Ward has had injuries but has been successful in minors when healthy. Ort had a 6.75 ERA last year. I don't get it.

 

Once we add Jansen and Yoshida plus 1-3 more players to come, Ort will not be on the 40.

 

It was never Ward vs Ort. It was Ward vs our #36 guy.

 

That being said, I wish we had kept Ward, even if to trade him later. I think he does offer more hope than our bottom 4-6 roster players.

 

There is a chance the Sox know more than we do about him, though. I doubt he'll be the next Whitlock.

[notin]

Once we add Jansen and Yoshida plus 1-3 more players to come, Ort will not be on the 40.

 

It was never Ward vs Ort. It was Ward vs our #36 guy.

 

That being said, I wish we had kept Ward, even if to trade him later. I think he does offer more hope than our bottom 4-6 roster players.

 

There is a chance the Sox know more than we do about him, though. I doubt he'll be the next Whitlock.

 

Except that just keeping Ward past the rule 5 draft itself might have been with something. Even if the Sox needed the 40 man spot at some point, Ward could have at least been dealt for non-40 man prospects. The best you can get by trading Ort is that you get rid of Ort.

 

I’ve given some Bloom moves some leeway to see how they work out. But this one is indefensible to me…

[moonslav59]

Except that just keeping Ward past the rule 5 draft itself might have been with something. Even if the Sox needed the 40 man spot at some point, Ward could have at least been dealt for non-40 man prospects. The best you can get by trading Ort is that you get rid of Ort.

 

I’ve given some Bloom moves some leeway to see how they work out. But this one is indefensible to me…

 

Yes, I said, "even if to just trade him."

[Bobe2]

I have a question, philly took Song by rule 5, philly will put Song on the military list so that he is not subject to the rule 5 draft until he is activated. Why didn’t the Sox do that?

[Bellhorn04]

I have a question, philly took Song by rule 5, philly will put Song on the military list so that he is not subject to the rule 5 draft until he is activated. Why didn’t the Sox do that?

 

Pretty sure no one can answer that.

[Bobe2]

Pretty sure no one can answer that.

 

I guess I’ll just have to go with incompetent

[Bellhorn04]

I guess I’ll just have to go with incompetent

 

Works for me right now.

[Tedballgame]

Per FanNation.com,

 

"Song submitted a petition to the Navy after he was drafted in an effort to be allowed to pursue a professional baseball career, but there has been no resolution as of yet. Thus, Song continues to serve his active duty time.

 

However, when/if he is allowed to return to baseball, the Phillies will have to follow normal Rule 5 policy, meaning that Song will have to remain on their active roster for an entire year in order for Philadelphia to retain control over the player."

[moonslav59]

Per FanNation.com,

 

"Song submitted a petition to the Navy after he was drafted in an effort to be allowed to pursue a professional baseball career, but there has been no resolution as of yet. Thus, Song continues to serve his active duty time.

 

However, when/if he is allowed to return to baseball, the Phillies will have to follow normal Rule 5 policy, meaning that Song will have to remain on their active roster for an entire year in order for Philadelphia to retain control over the player."

 

Wasn't he on the "military list," whatever that is, with the Sox, and if yes, why weren't they protected from needing to put him on the 40?

[notin]

Per FanNation.com,

 

"Song submitted a petition to the Navy after he was drafted in an effort to be allowed to pursue a professional baseball career, but there has been no resolution as of yet. Thus, Song continues to serve his active duty time.

 

However, when/if he is allowed to return to baseball, the Phillies will have to follow normal Rule 5 policy, meaning that Song will have to remain on their active roster for an entire year in order for Philadelphia to retain control over the player."

 

Exactly.

 

Now DD drafted Song and clearly likes him. He could easily make a trade for Song and then Song would be allowed to pitch a few minor league games.

 

I strongly suspect that is what happens. Or the Phillies purchase Song outright, but that is a lot less exciting…

[notin]

I have a question, philly took Song by rule 5, philly will put Song on the military list so that he is not subject to the rule 5 draft until he is activated. Why didn’t the Sox do that?

 

According to SoxProsoects.com, the Red Sox did put Song on the Military List. I don’t think that List excludes you from being drafted, but most teams shy away from players who aren’t actually playing in the higher minors.

 

The Rule 5 obligations mean upon reinstatement, Song has to be active for the Phillies for 162 games before he can pitch a single minor league inning. If he goes on the IL, those games don’t count.

 

So .. expect something else to be worked out

[moonslav59]

According to SoxProsoects.com, the Red Sox did put Song on the Military List. I don’t think that List excludes you from being drafted, but most teams shy away from players who aren’t actually playing in the higher minors.

 

The Rule 5 obligations mean upon reinstatement, Song has to be active for the Phillies for 162 games before he can pitch a single minor league inning. If he goes on the IL, those games don’t count.

 

So .. expect something else to be worked out

 

It seems like a catch 22. The military list did not allow us to keep him from being exposed to Rule 5, but now it does with Philly.

 

To me, if they don't add him to the 40 and keep him on the 26, he should be returned or at best, subject to next year's Rule 5 draft.

 

Why does the military list protect a player chose on Rule 5 but not one before being chosen?

[moonslav59]

I know trying to apply logic to what MLB does is foolhardy, but stil...

[notin]

It seems like a catch 22. The military list did not allow us to keep him from being exposed to Rule 5, but now it does with Philly.

 

To me, if they don't add him to the 40 and keep him on the 26, he should be returned or at best, subject to next year's Rule 5 draft.

 

Why does the military list protect a player chose on Rule 5 but not one before being chosen?

 

If Song is on the Military List next year, he can be selected again in the Rule 5 draft. The Rule 5 requirements in the blurb Bobe read had nothing to do with Draft eligibility as nd everything to do with being on the Phillies for a year…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

It seems like a catch 22. The military list did not allow us to keep him from being exposed to Rule 5, but now it does with Philly.

 

To me, if they don't add him to the 40 and keep him on the 26, he should be returned or at best, subject to next year's Rule 5 draft.

 

Why does the military list protect a player chose on Rule 5 but not one before being chosen?

 

Catch 22 was a military book and movie, but I liked the film version of MASH better... speaking of Song and the latter, the TV show's theme was Suicide is Painless, which was really the main idea of Catch 22 -- it's all very circular, so maybe Noah winds up back in Boston -- though probably not in a Red Sox uni, but Navy whites.

[notin]

On Song

 

1. Song was on the Military List in Boston.

 

2. The Military List does not exclude players from being taken in the Rule 5 draft. It’s not for minor league protection but was created when MLB players went to war, like Ted Williams and Bob Feller.

 

3. When Song comes back, his clock starts ticking for the Rule 5 draft. Per MLB rules, Song should be permitted 15 days in the minors for conditioning.

 

4. Once that is completed, he cannot be demoted until after he has spent 162 on the Phillies’ active roster.

 

5. If Song goes on the IL, all games he misses do not count towards his 162.

 

6. If Song is still on the Military List at next year’s Rule 5 draft, he can be selected again.

 

7. If Boston selects him next year, the situation gets beyond confusing…

[notin]

Catch 22 was a military book and movie, but I liked the film version of MASH better... speaking of Song and the latter, the TV show's theme was Suicide is Painless, which was really the main idea of Catch 22 -- it's all very circular, so maybe Noah winds up back in Boston -- though probably not in a Red Sox uni, but Navy whites.

 

I don’t see the circulatory of “Suicide is Painless”. Catch-22 (originally titled Catch-33 - true story) was basically that any fighter pilot could ask out of duty on the grounds of being crazy. But if he asked, it was proof he wasn’t crazy.

 

Though I do regard Catch-22 among the finest novels ever written, the movie, starring Alan Arkin and a cast of All Stars, was a massive disappointment…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I don’t see the circulatory of “Suicide is Painless”. Catch-22 (originally titled Catch-33 - true story) was basically that any fighter pilot could ask out of duty on the grounds of being crazy. But if he asked, it was proof he wasn’t crazy.

 

Though I do regard Catch-22 among the finest novels ever written, the movie, starring Alan Arkin and a cast of All Stars, was a massive disappointment…

 

The C-22 movie revolved around the Big Guy's planned and celebrated bye-bye -- and I think the big pivot initiated when the boys recruited a distaff member of the staff to exploit his life of the party... or was that MASH (I'm stuck on the shower scene).

[notin]

The C-22 movie revolved around the Big Guy's planned and celebrated bye-bye -- and I think the big pivot initiated when the boys recruited a distaff member of the staff to exploit his life of the party... or was that MASH (I'm stuck on the shower scene).

 

You’re mixing up the storyline of Painless the dentist from the MASH movie with Catch 22, which has no discernible plot aand was ruined further by trying to mimic the constant back flashes and foreword flashes that worked so well in the novel…

[Bobe2]

If Song is on the Military List next year, he can be selected again in the Rule 5 draft. The Rule 5 requirements in the blurb Bobe read had nothing to do with Draft eligibility as nd everything to do with being on the Phillies for a year…

 

The article I read said he would be exempt from rule 5 until he is activated to the roster, from what I read he’s not on a roster as lone as he is serving and on military list

[Bobe2]

On Song

 

1. Song was on the Military List in Boston.

 

2. The Military List does not exclude players from being taken in the Rule 5 draft. It’s not for minor league protection but was created when MLB players went to war, like Ted Williams and Bob Feller.

 

3. When Song comes back, his clock starts ticking for the Rule 5 draft. Per MLB rules, Song should be permitted 15 days in the minors for conditioning.

 

4. Once that is completed, he cannot be demoted until after he has spent 162 on the Phillies’ active roster.

 

5. If Song goes on the IL, all games he misses do not count towards his 162.

 

6. If Song is still on the Military List at next year’s Rule 5 draft, he can be selected again.

 

7. If Boston selects him next year, the situation gets beyond confusing…

Thank you good explination

[Bobe2]

On Song

 

1. Song was on the Military List in Boston.

 

2. The Military List does not exclude players from being taken in the Rule 5 draft. It’s not for minor league protection but was created when MLB players went to war, like Ted Williams and Bob Feller.

 

3. When Song comes back, his clock starts ticking for the Rule 5 draft. Per MLB rules, Song should be permitted 15 days in the minors for conditioning.

 

4. Once that is completed, he cannot be demoted until after he has spent 162 on the Phillies’ active roster.

 

5. If Song goes on the IL, all games he misses do not count towards his 162.

 

6. If Song is still on the Military List at next year’s Rule 5 draft, he can be selected again.

 

7. If Boston selects him next year, the situation gets beyond confusing…

 

Song applied to the navy for early release or be assigned to national guard, he did this last winter, the navy has 1 year to deny or accept his request, wouldn’t it suck if they okayed his request now

[Bobe2]

On Song

 

1. Song was on the Military List in Boston.

 

2. The Military List does not exclude players from being taken in the Rule 5 draft. It’s not for minor league protection but was created when MLB players went to war, like Ted Williams and Bob Feller.

 

3. When Song comes back, his clock starts ticking for the Rule 5 draft. Per MLB rules, Song should be permitted 15 days in the minors for conditioning.

 

4. Once that is completed, he cannot be demoted until after he has spent 162 on the Phillies’ active roster.

 

5. If Song goes on the IL, all games he misses do not count towards his 162.

 

6. If Song is still on the Military List at next year’s Rule 5 draft, he can be selected again.

 

7. If Boston selects him next year, the situation gets beyond confusing…

 

Song applied to the navy for early release or be assigned to national guard, he did this last winter, the navy has 1 year to deny or accept his request, wouldn’t it suck if they okayed his request now

[notin]

Song applied to the navy for early release or be assigned to national guard, he did this last winter, the navy has 1 year to deny or accept his request, wouldn’t it suck if they okayed his request now

 

If so, then he gets 15 days in MiLB and then the Phillies have to keep him in the majors all year, despite his not having thrown a pitch since his 17 IP in low A ball 4 years ago.

 

As reigning NL champions, doesn’t it seem like he could be a serious liability at that point? Even if they try to bury him in the bullpen?

Edited December 10, 2022 by notin

[notin]

The article I read said he would be exempt from rule 5 until he is activated to the roster, from what I read he’s not on a roster as lone as he is serving and on military list

 

I think either you misinterpreted something.

 

Sing was on the Military List in Boston. Even his Soxprosoects.com page lists both 2021 and 2022 as “DNP - Military List”

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

If so, then he gets 15 days in MiLB and then the Phillies have to keep him in the majors all year, despite his not having thrown a pitch since his 17 IP in low A ball 4 years ago.

 

As reigning NL champions, doesn’t it seem like he could be a serious liability at that point? Even if they try to bury him in the bullpen?

 

If I got confused by Song, books and movies connected to the military, maybe Dombrowski did, too. Dave and I certainly both remember how good Song looked in an amateur tournament back when he was Red Sox property all these years ago now...

 

... but is it possible that Dombro, replaced in Beantown by younger analytics people (some of whom he ignored or refused to work with), has actually found some loophole that allows Song to become a Phillies pitcher that Bloom and his nerds missed? It's at least ironic.