Fire Bloom .

[Old Red]

Others have, and you and others have complained about the return, a lot, despite information that has shown not much better was offered, although we'll never know if other, better offers were ever made.

 

At the time of the trade, many blamed Bloom for not "finding a way" to keep him. Some even said things like, "He should have convinced Henry to pay him."

Oh no complain! No one on here knows for sure who, and from where were offered for Mookie. Many blamed Bloom for not finding a way to keep Mookie? First I heard of that. Yes me, and others have complained about the return for Mookie. Nothing wrong with that, and I guess at the moment it depends on Wong turning out to be a productive C on if the trade looks better than it first did.

[mvp 78]

They are FA Market values, not based on average MLB cost.

 

Eovaldi wasn't getting $45M for 2021. No f***ing way.

[Bellhorn04]

Eovaldi wasn't getting $45M for 2021. No f***ing way.

 

No, but on average, it cost $45M in 2021 to get that much value out of free agent acquisitions. It's a cost-based measurement.

[dgalehouse]

Bloom is the Chief Baseball Officer. Has been for three years. He is responsible for all that happens. He is not well liked by the players, the fans or the media. The team is losing. Viewership and interest is down. Does he really deserve to keep his job ?

[Old Red]

Bloom is the Chief Baseball Officer. Has been for three years. He is responsible for all that happens. He is not well liked by the players, the fans or the media. The team is losing. Viewership and interest is down. Does he really deserve to keep his job ?

I guess it depends on who you talk to. Most on here are in his corner, and has been since the day he was hired. Speaking for myself I didn’t like the hire from day 1. Having a losing record, and looking like a last place Div finish should not shouldn’t present any kind of enthusiasm, or trust. I don’t think Tampa has missed him at all nor would lots of Red Sox Nation if he were fired today. On here it would be a different story.

[notin]

Bloom is the Chief Baseball Officer. Has been for three years. He is responsible for all that happens. He is not well liked by the players, the fans or the media. The team is losing. Viewership and interest is down. Does he really deserve to keep his job ?

 

 

So did you feel this way last year? Or should the Sox fire every CBO once the team has one bad season?

[mvp 78]

Bloom is the Chief Baseball Officer. Has been for three years. He is responsible for all that happens. He is not well liked by the players, the fans or the media. The team is losing. Viewership and interest is down. Does he really deserve to keep his job ?

 

NESN Sox Ratings

2018 7.26

2019 5.25

2020 2.14

2021 4.23

2022 ??? As of earlier this season, they were down 15%, but number will probably wind up much worse. Maybe like 3.00 - 3.50?

 

However, even when Bloom put a really good team on the field in '21, viewership was down. I'm not sure how he's going to be able to fix that on his own. Is that a generational thing? An issue with the rollercoaster effect of being a Sox fan currently? Cord cutting?

[mvp 78]

So did you feel this way last year? Or should the Sox fire every CBO once the team has one bad season?

 

Fired from cannon or drawn and quartered.

[moonslav59]

Many blamed Bloom for not finding a way to keep Mookie? First I heard of that.

 

Did you read the opening post of this thread?

 

I'm not going to go look for the post, but someone actually argued that Bloom could have convince Henry to spend more to keep Betts. I don't think it was Swi or some other poster, but it happened.

 

I'm pretty sure more than one person has blamed Bloom for trading Betts, and not about the return.

[moonslav59]

Eovaldi wasn't getting $45M for 2021. No f***ing way.

 

I'm not saying I agree with their numbers, but that is what the numbers are based on.

 

I'm not sure that number is way off. No GM knows what a player will do "next year," but if they knew they get a 2021 Eovaldi on a 1 year deal, he'd get more than $30M, IMO. Maybe $35M+.

[dgalehouse]

Bloom did, in fact , trade Mookie Betts. That is the truth. It was one of his first moves. Everything else about it is just speculation.

[moonslav59]

Bloom did, in fact , trade Mookie Betts. That is the truth. It was one of his first moves. Everything else about it is just speculation.

 

Red, here it is...

[Old Red]

Did you read the opening post of this thread?

 

I'm not going to go look for the post, but someone actually argued that Bloom could have convince Henry to spend more to keep Betts. I don't think it was Swi or some other poster, but it happened.

 

I'm pretty sure more than one person has blamed Bloom for trading Betts, and not about the return.

I’m not doubting that someone did blame Bloom, but you said many have blamed Bloom for trading Betts, and I don’t believe that is the case.

Edited September 20, 2022 by Old Red

[dgalehouse]

When you do something, you can get credit for it or blame for it. Nothing wrong with that.

[Old Red]

So did you feel this way last year? Or should the Sox fire every CBO once the team has one bad season?

 

Pat em on the back when they do good, and what have you done for me lately, and kick in the ass when things go bad is kind of the way it goes especially in Boston. I think Bloom has found out he’s not in Kansas (Tampa) anymore.

[moonslav59]

I’m not doubting that someone did blame Bloom, but you said many have blamed Bloom for trading Betts, and I don’t believe that is the case.

 

I know Swi did a lot. I'm pretty sure others did. I'd guess at least 4 or 5.

 

I remember hearing things like...

 

Bloom could have found a way to fit him in the budget (which was impossible, as we slashed the budget, even after dumping the $27M Betts got and $16M of Price's deal.)

 

Bloom could have convinced Henry to spend more.

 

He traded away our franchise player.

 

And actual quotes like, "Bloom did, in fact , trade Mookie Betts. That is the truth. It was one of his first moves. Everything else about it is just speculation."

 

Were you on this site, at the time of the trade?

 

[Old Red]

I know Swi did a lot. I'm pretty sure others did. I'd guess at least 4 or 5.

 

I remember hearing things like...

 

Bloom could have found a way to fit him in the budget (which was impossible, as we slashed the budget, even after dumping the $27M Betts got and $16M of Price's deal.)

 

Bloom could have convinced Henry to spend more.

 

He traded away our franchise player.

 

And actual quotes like, "Bloom did, in fact , trade Mookie Betts. That is the truth. It was one of his first moves. Everything else about it is just speculation."

 

Were you on this site, at the time of the trade?

 

 

No I was not on this site at the time of the trade, but just like it will be up to Henry if Bogey, and Raffy are signed, and if not I’ll blame Henry for that too, and not Bloom. I have been on Bloom a lot, but not for not resigning Mookie, and if it happens Bogey, and, or Raffy.

[Bellhorn04]

Bloom did, in fact , trade Mookie Betts. That is the truth. It was one of his first moves. Everything else about it is just speculation.

 

Well, it's pretty easy to connect the dots in this case. Henry dispatches the free-spending Dombrowski and hires a guy from Tampa Bay. The first thing the guy from Tampa Bay does is trade Mookie. Most people would deduce it was Henry's idea more than the new guy's idea.

 

Add to that the fact it was obvious they had great difficulty signing Mookie to an extension. And that was on DD's watch.

[Bellhorn04]

Bloom is the Chief Baseball Officer. Has been for three years. He is responsible for all that happens. He is not well liked by the players, the fans or the media. The team is losing. Viewership and interest is down. Does he really deserve to keep his job ?

 

How do you actually know he's not well-liked by the players or the fans? What is the evidence of this?

[moonslav59]

No I was not on this site at the time of the trade, but just like it will be up to Henry if Bogey, and Raffy are signed, and if not I’ll blame Henry for that too, and not Bloom. I have been on Bloom a lot, but not for not resigning Mookie, and if it happens Bogey, and, or Raffy.

 

No, I know your beef has only been about the return.

 

On Bogey and Raffy, yes, Bloom has choices on where to spend. It might still come down to JH approving a big contract (or disapproving), but I think Bloom will be the one who makes the choices.

 

One thing to think about, if we do have a restricted budget, and Bloom signs Bogey and Devers, he may not have much left over to fill other high need areas, and we go "light", maybe have some consideration about the results in those other areas.

 

I would call it a mistake to pay Bogey $220M/8 and also sign Devers to $300+M. We'd have nothing to spend on pitching, RF and the pen.

[moonslav59]

Well, it's pretty easy to connect the dots in this case. Henry dispatches the free-spending Dombrowski and hires a guy from Tampa Bay. The first thing the guy from Tampa Bay does is trade Mookie. Most people would deduce it was Henry's idea more than the new guy's idea.

 

Add to that the fact it was obvious they had great difficulty signing Mookie to an extension. And that was on DD's watch.

 

After trading Betts and his $27M and $16M of Price's deal, Bloom still cut salary, so that is pretty clear evidence, too.

 

I suppose, he could have tried to dump Sale or trade Bogey and JD, so he could keep Betts and re-set the tax, but then where would we be, now?

[dgalehouse]

How do you actually know he's not well-liked by the players or the fans? What is the evidence of this?

 

The stories coming out of the clubhouse are an indication of the player's feelings. I have not heard of any players denying that or expressing support for Bloom. From the reports , there does seem to be a problem. As for the fans , I know many , many loyal , diehard Sox fans. The very large majority of them are not at all happy with Bloom. That is what I am basing it on.

[Old Red]

No, I know your beef has only been about the return.

 

On Bogey and Raffy, yes, Bloom has choices on where to spend. It might still come down to JH approving a big contract (or disapproving), but I think Bloom will be the one who makes the choices.

 

One thing to think about, if we do have a restricted budget, and Bloom signs Bogey and Devers, he may not have much left over to fill other high need areas, and we go "light", maybe have some consideration about the results in those other areas.

 

I would call it a mistake to pay Bogey $220M/8 and also sign Devers to $300+M. We'd have nothing to spend on pitching, RF and the pen.

Agree, and it is a tough call on Bogey, and Raffy. I wouldn’t go any longer than 5 yrs with Bogey, but I also understand that money is needed to fill areas of need like especially pitching. Wacha, and Paxton would be costly, and the BP needs some new arms. Tough decisions for sure, but that’s what Bloom gets the big bucks for.

[notin]

Bloom did, in fact , trade Mookie Betts. That is the truth. It was one of his first moves. Everything else about it is just speculation.

 

Everything in your posts about not liking Bloom is just speculation, but that didn’t stop you from presenting it as fact…

[moonslav59]

Agree, and it is a tough call on Bogey, and Raffy. I wouldn’t go any longer than 5 yrs with Bogey, but I also understand that money is needed to fill areas of need like especially pitching. Wacha, and Paxton would be costly, and the BP needs some new arms. Tough decisions for sure, but that’s what Bloom gets the big bucks for.

 

I'm hopeful he will make the right choices. He will likely get a couple wrong for every 3-5 he gets right.

 

He really can't miss on the big signings, despite a league-wide record of more wrong than right on the biggest signings.

 

I'm thinking he will make one big trade, which includes parting with a top 5-10 prospects, but we'll see.

[moonslav59]

The stories coming out of the clubhouse are an indication of the player's feelings. I have not heard of any players denying that or expressing support for Bloom. From the reports , there does seem to be a problem. As for the fans , I know many , many loyal , diehard Sox fans. The very large majority of them are not at all happy with Bloom. That is what I am basing it on.

 

I guess Bogey, JD and others saying they'd love to stay in Boston must mean they hate Bloom.

 

Edited September 20, 2022 by moonslav59

[notin]

I guess Bogey, JD and others saying they'd love to stay in Boston muct mean they hate Bloom.

 

 

 

The “stories coming out of the clubhouse” is complete horse s***. There are always happy players and always disgruntled players. If the media didn’t like Bloom as much as he also says as fact, are they going to run positive stories about him within the clubhouse? “We hate Bloom but the players do love him.”

 

The stories about all the fans who hate Bloom clearly don’t involve this board, where there is a close split.

 

Really the whole point denny was making is he cannot tolerate a singular losing season from a GM who doesn’t run the team the way he wants it run. All of his posts about “not understanding how people support Bloom” and about how they never criticize him just lend more credence to this.

 

As does his blaming Bloom for the failures he inherited from Dombrowski…

[moonslav59]

The “stories coming out of the clubhouse” is complete horse s***. There are always happy players and always disgruntled players. If the media didn’t like Bloom as much as he also says as fact, are they going to run positive stories about him within the clubhouse? “We hate Bloom but the players do love him.”

 

The stories about all the fans who hate Bloom clearly don’t involve this board, where there is a close split.

 

Really the whole point denny was making is he cannot tolerate a singular losing season from a GM who doesn’t run the team the way he wants it run. All of his posts about “not understanding how people support Bloom” and about how they never criticize him just lend more credence to this.

 

As does his blaming Bloom for the failures he inherited from Dombrowski…

 

No reporter mentioning anything good being said about Bloom does not mean nothing good was said or felt.

 

It's pure speculation- something he seems to frown upon with others.

[Bellhorn04]

I guess Bogey, JD and others saying they'd love to stay in Boston must mean they hate Bloom.

 

 

And Kike obviously likes him, to come back without testing free agency!

[moonslav59]

I'm sure the players are pissed about McGuire and Pham being in the clubhouse.

 

I haven't heard anything good from players about Bloom's acquiring them. They all must hate him.