2022 Starting Rotation Thread

[mvp 78]

Agreed, and we are still feeling the affects of the last time we went "all in."

 

If we were, we wouldn't be over the luxury tax cap right now.

[moonslav59]

If we were, we wouldn't be over the luxury tax cap right now.

 

So, no affects from going all in in 2018?

 

Really?

 

None?

[mvp 78]

So, no affects from going all in in 2018?

 

Really?

 

None?

 

Price's contract on the books, but nothing else.

[moonslav59]

Price's contract on the books, but nothing else.

 

Well, that is $16M and hardly nothing.

 

A great deal has been made abut the farm DD traded not doing so well, since the trades, and that has been mostly true, except for Moncada, Kopech and Margot plus some marginal values, but what do we still have left to show for those trades? Could we have gotten players with more years of team control?

 

I'm not trying to relitigate the trades, but they did affect the team we have now, and I won't even count Sale or Eovaldi, since thy were extended after the trades.

 

Plus, going over the lux line does not mean we didn't limit some spending due to past expenses and possibly counting Sale & Eovaldi's costs, now.

 

 

 

[dgalehouse]

Personally, I expect the Red Sox to make every effort to win a championship. You can call it " all in " or whatever. " Wait til next year " is not a good battle cry.

[moonslav59]

Personally, I expect the Red Sox to make every effort to win a championship.

 

Well, that ain't happening.

 

It appears they recognize when they have a better chance, some years, and they choose to put more into those years or windows. You can like that or dislike it, but to me, that seems to be the way it is.

 

I'm not going to argue with a strategy that brought us 4 rings in 2 decades after battle crying "Wait til next year" for over 3 decades and getting nothing.

[Bellhorn04]

Well, that ain't happening.

 

It appears they recognize when they have a better chance, some years, and they choose to put more into those years or windows. You can like that or dislike it, but to me, that seems to be the way it is.

 

I'm not going to argue with a strategy that brought us 4 rings in 2 decades after battle crying "Wait til next year" for over 3 decades and getting nothing.

 

Yes, this is the bottom line.

 

If you're complaining about being the team with the most titles this century, there's not much that can be done to make you happy.

[dgalehouse]

Well, that ain't happening.

 

It appears they recognize when they have a better chance, some years, and they choose to put more into those years or windows. You can like that or dislike it, but to me, that seems to be the way it is.

 

I'm not going to argue with a strategy that brought us 4 rings in 2 decades after battle crying "Wait til next year" for over 3 decades and getting nothing.

 

I am not complaining about winning titles. Just the opposite.

[mvp 78]

Yes, this is the bottom line.

 

If you're complaining about being the team with the most titles this century, there's not much that can be done to make you happy.

 

Our farm would be much better if we never tried to win a WS.

[moonslav59]

I am not complaining about winning titles. Just the opposite.

 

I'm not either, but the plan has brought us rings, and I'm thinking it will again, once the higher ups deem a season a "go for it" one.

[moonslav59]

Yes, this is the bottom line.

 

If you're complaining about being the team with the most titles this century, there's not much that can be done to make you happy.

 

Exactly, and of course, mistakes have been made and maybe we could have done more (or less) here or there to have maybe won 5 rings, but maybe those changes might have created only 3 rings.

 

I don't expect going all in, every year. We saw the affects of 2018, and I'm not so sure going "ALL" in will happen again.

[Old Red]

I'm not either, but the plan has brought us rings, and I'm thinking it will again, once the higher ups deem a season a "go for it" one.

 

The John Henry who bought the Red Sox is not the same guy now as he was then, so what happened in the past is in the past. He has more other adventures going on now, and I don’t think the Red Sox has all his interest as maybe it did before, so I’m not sure there is any big elaborate plan. Bringing Bloom aboard should tell you something, but I’m not sure what that exactly is.

[mvp 78]

The John Henry who bought the Red Sox is not the same guy now as he was then, so what happened in the past is in the past. He has more other adventures going on now, and I don’t think the Red Sox has all his interest as maybe it did before, so I’m not sure there is any big elaborate plan. Bringing Bloom aboard should tell you something, but I’m not sure what that exactly is.

 

What does he have now that he didn't have in 2018?

[Old Red]

What does he have now that he didn't have in 2018?

 

Not as much interest in the Red Sox is my opinion.How much of the 2018 team was accumulated before 2018?

Edited April 27, 2022 by Old Red

[Bellhorn04]

The John Henry who bought the Red Sox is not the same guy now as he was then, so what happened in the past is in the past. He has more other adventures going on now, and I don’t think the Red Sox has all his interest as maybe it did before, so I’m not sure there is any big elaborate plan. Bringing Bloom aboard should tell you something, but I’m not sure what that exactly is.

 

This is just gibberish, unsupported by any facts, such as the $242 million payroll.

[Old Red]

This is just gibberish, unsupported by any facts, such as the $242 million payroll.

 

Glibberish? It’s just my opinion, and just like your opinion calling it glibberish. Never said any of this was factual.

[moonslav59]

What does he have now that he didn't have in 2018?

 

Except more money?

 

Pay no attention to the man behind the cutain.

[Old Red]

Except more money?

 

Pay no attention to the man behind the cutain.

 

Or the guy in your mirror.

[mvp 78]

What is moon doing in the mirror behind the curtain?

[dgalehouse]

What is moon doing in the mirror behind the curtain?

 

There are some things we are better off not knowing.

[moonslav59]

What is moon doing in the mirror behind the curtain?

 

Checking out a wart on my ass!

 

It's old and it's red.

[Old Red]

Checking out a wart on my ass!

 

It's old and it's red.

 

As much as I enjoy it I’m not going to do another I know you are, but what am I type thing. If a third party independent observer came on here, and read all these back, and forth on here what do you think they would say about everything? Really. Come on man.

[mvp 78]

Checking out a wart on my ass!

 

It's old and it's red.

 

Nasty.

[mvp 78]

As much as I enjoy it I’m not going to do another I know you are, but what am I type thing. If a third party independent observer came on here, and read all these back, and forth on here what do you think they would say about everything? Really. Come on man.

 

They'd say "how much are you paying me to read this garbage?"

[moonslav59]

Nasty.

 

You shouldn't have asked.

[Old Red]

They'd say "how much are you paying me to read this garbage?"

 

That may be true, and there are lots of garbage men on here.

[dgalehouse]

That may be true, and there are lots of garbage men on here.

 

Sanitation persons.

[Kimmi]

The game has changed. Managers are getting instructions from behind-the-scenes pencil neck geeks.

 

You say that like it's a bad thing.

[Kimmi]

Agreed, and we are still feeling the affects of the last time we went "all in."

 

Finding the happy medium is what I think we are looking for, but I don't think the top brass viewed 2021 or 2022 as a year to even approach going "all in."

 

Maybe 2023 or 2024, if ever again.

 

I'm not sure Bloom will ever go 'all in' to the extent that Dombrowski went. He has said time and again that his focus is on sustainability. There will be times when it makes sense to go bigger than at other times, but that doesn't mean that the other years are punt years. The expectation is still to make the playoffs.

[Kimmi]

Personally, I expect the Red Sox to make every effort to win a championship. You can call it " all in " or whatever. " Wait til next year " is not a good battle cry.

 

What exactly do you mean by making every effort? Spend no matter what the cost?