2022 Starting Rotation Thread

[notin]

Welp, maybe I'm biased against New York, but I'd bet there are close to 30 GMs that would take the rotations from the Brewers, Mets, Blue Jays and White Sox over the Yankees. As for depth, who's better than Houston: Framber, Garcia, Verlander, Urquidy, Javier and McCullers?

 

The Yankees are one Gerrit Cole elbow twinge away from having a rotation that has more question marks than post-game press conference…

[mvp 78]

Sale is a non-starter, all puns intended. His name should be banned from the forum until June, or at least relegated to a separate thread; we could call it "If ifs and buts were candied nuts..." All we can do as fans for now is hope team nutritionists develop a healthy diet for the poor guy, so he won't crack another rib during any other bodily functions. And no jokes -- don't make him laugh. Or sneeze. And paste those sticky foot grips in his tub, so he won't slip in the shower.

 

And when will Sixto start his first game this year?

[mvp 78]

The Yankees are one Gerrit Cole elbow twinge away from having a rotation that has more question marks than post-game press conference…

 

I think I've seen Cole pitch enough times against the Sox and just look human that I don't see him as a top tier guy. Last year he had a 165 tOPS+ vs the Sox.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

And when will Sixto start his first game this year?

 

On the Sixteenth, of coarse

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I think I've seen Cole pitch enough times against the Sox and just look human that I don't see him as a top tier guy. Last year he had a 165 tOPS+ vs the Sox.

 

You're just saying that because the Sox beat him when it counted in the postseason for the Astros and for the Yankees!

[moonslav59]

I think I've seen Cole pitch enough times against the Sox and just look human that I don't see him as a top tier guy. Last year he had a 165 tOPS+ vs the Sox.

 

How many pitchers are in your "top tier?" 5, 10, ???

[mvp 78]

You're just saying that because the Sox beat him when it counted in the postseason for the Astros and for the Yankees!

 

I was only looking at regular season numbers.

 

Being 0-2 with 8IP and 7 ER isn't a great look though.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I was only looking at regular season numbers.

 

Being 0-2 with 8IP and 7 ER isn't a great look though.

 

And yet every single year, no matter who's bobbling the ball at catcher or shortstop, or who's swinging and missing in an all-or-nothing lineup, the Yankees are always predicted to win it all because they spent the most money in history on one starting pitcher.

[Bellhorn04]

I think I've seen Cole pitch enough times against the Sox and just look human that I don't see him as a top tier guy. Last year he had a 165 tOPS+ vs the Sox.

 

Seems pretty obvious that Cole learned all the sticky tricks with the Stros and cashed in ginormously on it.

[moonslav59]

And yet every single year, no matter who's bobbling the ball at catcher or shortstop, or who's swinging and missing in an all-or-nothing lineup, the Yankees are always predicted to win it all because they spent the most money in history on one starting pitcher.

 

The Yanks are always hyped.

 

I like it that way. We do better as the underdog.

[harmony]

The Yanks are always hyped.

 

I like it that way. We do better as the underdog.

As do some other underdogs.

[mvp 78]

As do some other underdogs.

 

There's a difference between being an underdog and winning the WS and being and underdog and never making the playoffs.

[moonslav59]

There's a difference between being an underdog and winning the WS and being and underdog and never making the playoffs.

 

Ouch. That's gonna leave a mark.

[dgalehouse]

As do some other underdogs.

 

The oddsmakers do not play favorites. They are very objective. A cold and calculating bunch. However , they are not always right . Underdogs do win. Dreams do come true. Well, maybe not for the Mariners.

[Bellhorn04]

Ouch. That's gonna leave a mark.

 

Nope, harmony has his standard reply to that, the one that shows he's a better fan than us spoiled brats.

Edited April 6, 2022 by Bellhorn04

[mvp 78]

Nope, harmony has his standard reply to that, the one that shows he's a better fan than us spoiled brats.

 

At least when the Sox were loveable losers that they still made the playoffs every decade.

[notin]

The oddsmakers do not play favorites. They are very objective. A cold and calculating bunch. However , they are not always right . Underdogs do win. Dreams do come true. Well, maybe not for the Mariners.

 

Not true.

 

Oddsmakers also have to take into account the amount of money bet.

 

The Cubs, for example, used to get odds better than usual because they received a significant and disproportional amount of the bets relative to their talent. The Yankees often see the same.

 

And this makes sense. The only purpose of odds is to increase wagering on underdogs. If people are already willingly betting on them, why increase the payouts?

[dgalehouse]

Not true.

 

Oddsmakers also have to take into account the amount of money bet.

 

The Cubs, for example, used to get odds better than usual because they received a significant and disproportional amount of the bets relative to their talent. The Yankees often see the same.

 

And this makes sense. The only purpose of odds is to increase wagering on underdogs. If people are already willingly betting on them, why increase the payouts?

 

That is all part of their calculations. The bottom line is that the book is looking to make a profit. And they usually do.

[moonslav59]

Nope, harmony has his standard reply to that, the one that shows he's a better fan than us spoiled brats.

 

Careful, someone might say you and harmony are the same poster.

[moonslav59]

That is all part of their calculations. The bottom line is that the book is looking to make a profit. And they usually do.

 

Part of the reason they win more than the expected 50% of the games, is precisely because fans play the favorites and home teams more than they should. They know that and set the odds accordingly.

[mvp 78]

Part of the reason they win more than the expected 50% of the games, is precisely because fans play the favorites and home teams more than they should. They know that and set the odds accordingly.

 

No, it's because Vegas can continually move lines to make sure that they don't have to pay out more than they bring in.

[moonslav59]

No, it's because Vegas can continually move lines to make sure that they don't have to pay out more than they bring in.

 

They don't always end up with 50-50 on each game. They move the lines and odds to try and even it up. They can't lose, if it ends up exactly even, but it rarely ends up exactly even, and my point is they likely win more of the uneven games than not, since too many bettors bet with their hearts not their minds.

 

Also, moving the line allows for a chance they lose both bets. Say the line opens at 3 1/2 and moves to 4 1/2. They could lose, if the game ends up at 4, if more people took the fave at 3.5 and the underdog at 4.5.

Edited April 6, 2022 by moonslav59

[notin]

That is all part of their calculations. The bottom line is that the book is looking to make a profit. And they usually do.

 

Exactly. They’re prioritizing making money over a true reflection of products on the baseball diamond…

[Kimmi]

The Yanks are always hyped.

 

I like it that way. We do better as the underdog.

 

The Yankees don't scare me. Neither does Cole.

 

Bring it on!

[Larry Cook]

The Yankees don't scare me. Neither does Cole.

 

Bring it on!

 

The umps need to check cole closely for sticky tack or whatever he was using early last season.

[moonslav59]

The Yankees don't scare me. Neither does Cole.

 

Bring it on!

 

We often do better vs good pitchers than unknowns.

[Kimmi]

The umps need to check cole closely for sticky tack or whatever he was using early last season.

 

100%

[Kimmi]

We often do better vs good pitchers than unknowns.

 

That does seem to be the case, doesn't it? Those unknowns or mediocre pitchers seem to have the game of their life when they pitch against us.

[dgalehouse]

I don't really lament losing E-Rod. He has always been somewhat overrated. He has had his moments, but he is a 4.00 + career ERA guy. There is no shortage of those.

[moonslav59]

I don't really lament losing E-Rod. He has always been somewhat overrated. He has had his moments, but he is a 4.00 + career ERA guy. There is no shortage of those.

 

I think he was under-rated by many Sox fans and posters.

 

Since he was called up in 2015, he's ...

 

38th in starter fWAR at 14.4

38th in IP, despite missing 2020

50th in FIP