Red Sox trade Hunter Renfroe in trade involving Jackie Bradley Jr

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I think he was trying to say BA/OPS, not OBP/SLG.

 

An OBP of 200 and SLG of 700 would be crazy cupcakes.

 

I know, I was being a sargasso. But with modern all-or-nothing swingers, this is probably within reach of some dudes...

[moonslav59]

I think he was trying to say BA/OPS, not OBP/SLG.

 

An OBP of 200 and SLG of 700 would be crazy cupcakes.

 

Yes, the comment was that his OPS was .740 the year he hit .225, so I came up with .200 (BA) and .700 (OPS) being more than fine, for me.

[Bellhorn04]

Yes, the comment was that his OPS was .740 the year he hit .225, so I came up with .200 (BA) and .700 (OPS) being more than fine, for me.

 

.700 is the magic number for sure.

[notin]

If he's hitting 165, it's a problem. If he's hitting 225, you live with it.

 

That’s a difference of 30 hits over 500 at bats. Or slightly more than 1 hit per week…

[mvp 78]

I know, I was being a sargasso. But with modern all-or-nothing swingers, this is probably within reach of some dudes...

 

A 200/700 hitter would be kinda cool.

 

For 600 AB's, that'd be like 420 total bases. That'd be top 10 all time.

 

Guys who have slugged above 700 since 1960:

Larry Walker 99

Albert Belle 94

Larry Walker 97

Frank Thomas 94

Mark McGwire 96

Sammy Sosa 01

Barry Bonds 03

Jeff Bagwell 94

Mark McGwire 34

Barry Bonds 02

Barry Bonds 04

Barry Bonds 01

[mvp 78]

That’s a difference of 30 hits over 500 at bats. Or slightly more than 1 hit per week…

 

That 1 hit is very important to me.

[Bellhorn04]

That 1 hit is very important to me.

 

Me too.

 

It might be a 3 run dinger...

[mvp 78]

Getting to 200 hits is only slightly more than 1 hit per game.

[mvp 78]

Me too.

 

It might be a 3 run dinger...

 

notin doesn't like when players hit homeruns.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

A 200/700 hitter would be kinda cool.

 

For 600 AB's, that'd be like 420 total bases. That'd be top 10 all time.

 

Guys who have slugged above 700 since 1960:

Larry Walker 99

Albert Belle 94

Larry Walker 97

Frank Thomas 94

Mark McGwire 96

Sammy Sosa 01

Barry Bonds 03

Jeff Bagwell 94

Mark McGwire 34

Barry Bonds 02

Barry Bonds 04

Barry Bonds 01

 

With each name I read, I puffed out my cheeks like I was filling up a balloon. By the second Bonds I was levitating above the computer table...

[moonslav59]

A 200/700 hitter would be kinda cool.

 

For 600 AB's, that'd be like 420 total bases. That'd be top 10 all time.

 

Guys who have slugged above 700 since 1960:

Larry Walker 99

Albert Belle 94

Larry Walker 97

Frank Thomas 94

Mark McGwire 96

Sammy Sosa 01

Barry Bonds 03

Jeff Bagwell 94

Mark McGwire 34

Barry Bonds 02

Barry Bonds 04

Barry Bonds 01

 

Impressive list.

 

Career Leaders:

.690 Ruth

.634 Williams

.632 Gehrig

[cp176]

Wow - look at those names. Is it even possible that in addition to being treat hitters they had something else in common? hmmm

[notin]

Me too.

 

It might be a 3 run dinger...

 

But more likely it’s. 2 out, no one on base knock that extends the inning for one more batter…

[Bellhorn04]

But more likely it’s. 2 out, no one on base knock that extends the inning for one more batter…

 

Yeah, hits are overrated, I guess.

[S5Dewey]

But more likely it’s. 2 out, no one on base knock that extends the inning for one more batter…

 

There are so many assumptions wrong with that.

1) We are assuming that he's coming up with two outs.

2) We are assuming that there's nobody on base.

3) We are assuming that he chooses that opportunity to get his 'one hit per week'.

3) We are assuming that the next hitter (Kiki?) makes an out.

 

Now, one can cue up data saying that it's more likely that a player comes up with two outs and nobody on more times than he will come up with two runners on base. I suppose that validates the OP.

 

Since the next hitter is batting <.500 we can also assume that he will make an out.>

 

However, I'm not certain that using a worst case scenario with four negative assumptions in an effort to make a point is conducive to making that point.

 

One hit a week is still one hit a week and since baseball is obsessed with statistics ... are we now going to become equally obsessed with when hits occur???

[Bellhorn04]

notin seens fascinated by the fact that the difference between a 165 hitter and a 225 hitter is only one hit a week.

 

But as a metric-savvy fellow he also knows that the difference is about 2 wins over the season.

[notin]

notin seens fascinated by the fact that the difference between a 165 hitter and a 225 hitter is only one hit a week.

 

But as a metric-savvy fellow he also knows that the difference is about 2 wins over the season.

 

Wins? Or runs?

 

30 hits 2 wins. But it does correlate to X runs. I thought every delta of 10 runs constitutes another win (up or down).

 

I’m not sure of the hits to runs metric, but I don’t think 30 hits = 20 runs…

[Bellhorn04]

Wins? Or runs?

 

30 hits 2 wins. But it does correlate to X runs. I thought every delta of 10 runs constitutes another win (up or down).

 

I’m not sure of the hits to runs metric, but I don’t think 30 hits = 20 runs…

 

Just compare JBJ's fWAR as a 165 hitter (2021) to his fWAR as a 225 hitter (2019). It's a 26 run difference on offense (fewer PA's in 2021). The difference in his OBP was 80 points, so that would factor in too.

Edited March 31, 2022 by Bellhorn04

[moonslav59]

Wins? Or runs?

 

30 hits 2 wins. But it does correlate to X runs. I thought every delta of 10 runs constitutes another win (up or down).

 

I’m not sure of the hits to runs metric, but I don’t think 30 hits = 20 runs…

 

The Sox had 1434 hits, last year and scored 829 runs.

 

If you apply the same ratio to 30 hits, it comes to 17.3 runs, or 1.73 WAR- rounded up to 2.

 

[notin]

The Sox had 1434 hits, last year and scored 829 runs.

 

If you apply the same ratio to 30 hits, it comes to 17.3 runs, or 1.73 WAR- rounded up to 2.

 

 

 

But the runs ratio is metrically related to total bases, not hit.

 

And using data from one team doesn’t prove the point…

[moonslav59]

But the runs ratio is metrically related to total bases, not hit.

 

And using data from one team doesn’t prove the point…

 

No, but my guess is it is ballpark.

 

(like that one?)

[Bellhorn04]

But the runs ratio is metrically related to total bases, not hit.

 

And using data from one team doesn’t prove the point…

 

So explain the offense fWAR difference for Bradley between 2019 and 2021...

[notin]

So explain the offense fWAR difference for Bradley between 2019 and 2021...

 

I’m guessing the difference of 107 total bases was a bigger factor…

[Bellhorn04]

I’m guessing the difference of 107 total bases was a bigger factor…

 

But you're the one who made it all about hits...

[notin]

But you're the one who made it all about hits...

 

I am NOT the one who tried to equate hits to WAR. See post 706.

 

I only talked about how many fewer hits there are between two separate batting averages over 500 ABs…

Edited March 31, 2022 by notin

[mvp 78]

I am NOT the woman who tried to equate hits to WAR. See post 706.

 

I only talked about how many fewer hits there are between two separate batting averages over 500 ABs…

 

Time to cancel notin.

[Bellhorn04]

I am NOT the woman who tried to equate hits to WAR. See post 706.

 

I only talked about how many fewer hits there are between two separate batting averages over 500 ABs…

 

The real point we've established is that one hit a week can make a big difference.

[moonslav59]

Time to cancel notin.

 

You have a notin subscription?

[Bellhorn04]

You have a notin subscription?

 

His channel is called notflix...

[cp176]

Time to cancel notin.

 

What's a woman? Whoops, wait, did I just say that. I apologize to all who have a problem with what the definition could be.I just couldn't help myself but that softball was lobbed right directly over my plate.