Red Sox trade Hunter Renfroe in trade involving Jackie Bradley Jr

[mvp 78]

So if the Sox announced today they dealt Bradley to the Dodgers for Bauer and tickets on Jeff Bezos’ phallic rocket, thoughts?

 

I believe Bezos' rocket was only suborbital. Doesn't get Bauer far enough away.

[notin]

I believe Bezos' rocket was only suborbital. Doesn't get Bauer far enough away.

 

Bezos can afford to have the sun moved closer, if need be…

[mvp 78]

Bezos can afford to have the sun moved closer, if need be…

 

It wasn't that long ago that we didn't want to burn the Amazon down. Now...

[Bellhorn04]

Bezos can afford to have the sun moved closer, if need be…

 

God forgive me, but I've been paying for some of his rocket fuel lately.

[notin]

God forgive me, but I've been paying for some of his rocket fuel lately.

 

 

Always remember - at least half of that fuel is for outgoing trips…

[cp176]

The prospects can also make an immediate impact.

 

One of them is a middle infielder, which is a position the Sox have some MiLB depth in. So maybe the new MIF (Hamilton) is part of a deal come July. Or maybe they move Yorke for a pitcher.

 

Prospect trades can be as much about the present as any other deal…

 

of course prospect trades can make an immediate impact, think we understand that - most of DD's did exactly that. i'm quite comfortable being in the camp with those who don't really see the value in this one though.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

of course prospect trades can make an immediate impact, think we understand that - most of DD's did exactly that. i'm quite comfortable being in the camp with those who don't really see the value in this one though.

 

Alex Binelas might have instantly become one of the top power-hitting prospects in the Red Sox org. He cranked nine home runs in 29 A ball games last summer, after being drafted in the third round from Louisville, where he outhomered teammate and #1 overall draft pick Henry Davis, 33-21.

[notin]

of course prospect trades can make an immediate impact, think we understand that - most of DD's did exactly that. i'm quite comfortable being in the camp with those who don't really see the value in this one though.

 

 

I’m talking about trade where the team trades for prospects.

 

The problem is, if there were any subsequent deals, the shut down didn’t give us a chance to see what they were.

 

I can’t say it’s a good trade, but I see the logic behind it. And after questioning last of season and then seeing the team go to the ALCS, just because Bloom doesn’t think like me isn’t necessarily a bad thing….

[moonslav59]

I’m talking about trade where the team trades for prospects.

 

The problem is, if there were any subsequent deals, the shut down didn’t give us a chance to see what they were.

 

I can’t say it’s a good trade, but I see the logic behind it. And after questioning last of season and then seeing the team go to the ALCS, just because Bloom doesn’t think like me isn’t necessarily a bad thing….

 

I think some moves are about the long term and some (mostly all the one year deals) are for the short term.

 

He seems to really strive for balance, and the short term part worked pretty well, this year, so it is hard to be overly critical of each move one-by-one.

 

That being said, I'm scratching my head on the totality of Bloom's moves, so far- not just each one-by-one. I'm trying to stay optimistic that Part 2 of this winter (or maybe Spring or summer) hot stove will be more promising in my eyes (not that my eyes matter to Bloom or that my opinions are more important or valid than Bloom's.)

Edited December 4, 2021 by moonslav59

[Bellhorn04]

That being said, I'm scratching my head on the totality of Bloom's moves, so far- not just each one-by-one. I'm trying to stay optimistic that Part 2 of this winter (or maybe Spring or summer) hot stove will be more promising in my eyes (not that my eyes matter to Bloom or that my opinions are more important or valid than Bloom's.)

 

So far the totality is very similar to last offseason, with the exception of not signing any position players.

 

Last year he signed Richards and Perez.

This year he signed Paxton, Wacha and Hill.

 

Last year he traded Benintendi for Cordero and prospects.

This year he traded Renfroe for Bradley and prospects.

[moonslav59]

So far the totality is very similar to last offseason, with the exception of not signing any position players.

 

Last year he signed Richards and Perez.

This year he signed Paxton, Wacha and Hill.

 

Last year he traded Benintendi for Cordero and prospects.

This year he traded Renfroe for Bradley and prospects.

 

I wasn't thrilled with Richards or Perez, either,

 

I liked the Beni trade, a lot. I loved the Kike signing.

[Bellhorn04]

I wasn't thrilled with Richards or Perez, either,

 

I liked the Beni trade, a lot. I loved the Kike signing.

 

No one was thrilled with Richards or Perez.

[moonslav59]

No one was thrilled with Richards or Perez.

 

Or Andriese and Marwin.

 

Many were not too thrilled with Kike.

 

I loved Kike, but thought we overpaid. (I thought Cesar H was better for 2B.)

[Bellhorn04]

Or Andriese and Marwin.

 

Many were not too thrilled with Kike.

 

I loved Kike, but thought we overpaid. (I thought Cesar H was better for 2B.)

 

My main point was that the approach used by Bloom in the two offseasons has been very similar. Cheap starters on short-term contracts, and a surprising trade of an outfielder primarily to obtain prospects.

[dgalehouse]

There is not much to like about Jeff Bezos. However , it is a fact that Amazon does an outstanding job. They are 20 games ahead of whoever is in second place.

[Nick]

My main point was that the approach used by Bloom in the two offseasons has been very similar. Cheap starters on short-term contracts, and a surprising trade of an outfielder primarily to obtain prospects.

 

Bloom also acquired Ottavino and assumed his full salary in exchange for prospects.

[Bellhorn04]

Bloom also acquired Ottavino and assumed his full salary in exchange for prospects.

 

Right. I was just mentioning the ones that really lined up with each other.

 

Bloom has actually done 3 of those "buying prospects" deals now.

[moonslav59]

Bloom also acquired Ottavino and assumed his full salary in exchange for prospects.

 

Just Frank German, right?

 

He was a bit of a let down, but he's still in the system and may surprise.

 

I thought Ottavino was worth the $8+M when we tradeed for him, but he did not do as well as I hoped he would.

 

He wasn't a complete bust, and probably did better than Richards, Perez and Andriese, who cost about $20M combined.

 

[moonslav59]

Right. I was just mentioning the ones that really lined up with each other.

 

Bloom has actually done 3 of those "buying prospects" deals now.

 

Yes, not just giving up Beni, but paying $2.8M of his salary, too!

[Bellhorn04]

Until Bloom came along, Red Sox fans had never seen much of those "buying prospects" deals. I think that's part of the reason some of them flip out a bit about the Benintendi and Renfroe trades.

[moonslav59]

Until Bloom came along, Red Sox fans had never seen much of those "buying prospects" deals. I think that's part of the reason some of them flip out a bit about the Benintendi and Renfroe trades.

 

The Dodgers have been doing these types of deal for a longer time.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Verdugo JBJ Suzuki .Bogey Correa Kike Devers .Trade new prospects and Bobby to Oakland for Pitching .I honestly think we need to replace Vaz this winter but might be unlikely. Edited December 7, 2021 by Swiharts Ghost

[moonslav59]

Verdugo JBJ Suzuki .Bogey Correa Kike Devers .Trade new prospects and Bobby to Oakland for Pitching .I honestly think we need to replace Vaz this winter but might be unlikely.

 

We supposedly had a deal for Stallings that fell through at the last moment, so our idea of replacing Vaz might not have been so far-fetched as many felt it was,

 

It may still happen.

[jacksonianmarch]

Just Frank German, right?

 

He was a bit of a let down, but he's still in the system and may surprise.

 

I thought Ottavino was worth the $8+M when we tradeed for him, but he did not do as well as I hoped he would.

 

He wasn't a complete bust, and probably did better than Richards, Perez and Andriese, who cost about $20M combined.

 

 

Everyone on the Yankee prospect side predicted he would move to relief for 2020 before the season got wiped out due to COVID. Cashman handed him over for cap relief because they knew he was going to be a reliever. Makes little sense that the Sox didn’t see that. German is a high octane RHP with a devastating change up yet zero other secondary offerings. He has a slider that sucks and dabbled with a curve that sucks. He will be a FB-CH reliever akin to Tommy Kahnle once they make the inevitable move

[mvp 78]

Verdugo JBJ Suzuki .Bogey Correa Kike Devers .Trade new prospects and Bobby to Oakland for Pitching .I honestly think we need to replace Vaz this winter but might be unlikely.

 

By "new prospects" are you referring to the Renfroe trade? If so, Binelas and Hamilton don't have a ton of trade value.

 

Per BTV:

 

Dalbec 13.5

Binelas 4.9

Hamilton 5.4

 

Bassitt 17

Brown 3.3

Puk 2.1

Trivino 1.1

 

I threw Seth Brown in there just because if the Sox trade Dalbec, I'm not sure who would start at 1b for the Sox.

[moonslav59]

By "new prospects" are you referring to the Renfroe trade? If so, Binelas and Hamilton don't have a ton of trade value.

 

Per BTV:

 

Dalbec 13.5

Binelas 4.9

Hamilton 5.4

 

Bassitt 17

Brown 3.3

Puk 2.1

Trivino 1.1

 

I threw Seth Brown in there just because if the Sox trade Dalbec, I'm not sure who would start at 1b for the Sox.

 

He had us signing Correa, so I think the idea was to move Devers to 1B and Bogey to 3B. (Kike at 2B.)

 

It's not happening.

[mvp 78]

He had us signing Correa, so I think the idea was to move Devers to 1B and Bogey to 3B. (Kike at 2B.)

 

It's not happening.

 

They aren't signing Correa or Story. I think agents kept pushing the Sox into the SS conversation because they are a big market club with a potential hole at SS next offseason.

[moonslav59]

They aren't signing Correa or Story. I think agents kept pushing the Sox into the SS conversation because they are a big market club with a potential hole at SS next offseason.

 

Maybe the in on Baez rumor fuels the fire a little, but I agree.

 

Not happening.

 

Suzuki and a couple good RP'ers might be the most we can expect.

[mvp 78]

Maybe the in on Baez rumor fuels the fire a little, but I agree.

 

Not happening.

 

Suzuki and a couple good RP'ers might be the most we can expect.

 

I know Suzuki is following the Sox on IG, but are they really in on him too?

[notin]

By "new prospects" are you referring to the Renfroe trade? If so, Binelas and Hamilton don't have a ton of trade value.

 

Per BTV:

 

Dalbec 13.5

Binelas 4.9

Hamilton 5.4

 

Bassitt 17

Brown 3.3

Puk 2.1

Trivino 1.1

 

I threw Seth Brown in there just because if the Sox trade Dalbec, I'm not sure who would start at 1b for the Sox.

 

Hopefully not Seth Brown...