Red Sox trade Hunter Renfroe in trade involving Jackie Bradley Jr

[mvp 78]

Renfroe: 576 OPS in the postseason.

[notin]

Yes. They like those players, but not for that length of time.

 

 

I also think the uncertainty of the new CBA influenced the off-season so far. Sure, Bradley is expensive, but if the new CBA in unfavorable, his term is still very short.

 

It’s probably not a coincidence that several other big spending clubs, notably the Yankees and Dodgers, but also Phillies, Giants and Angels have not gotten involved in the top tier free agent market either. Even Syndergaard was only signed for one year…

[mvp 78]

He’s not a fourth outfielder today. But there are several options left that could put him in that position…

 

We talked about the OF all last offseason and we never figured out where we'd end up. We may have the same confusion this year.

 

Just don't sign Marwin.

[moonslav59]

Where were all the Hunter Renfroe stans when he was OPSing 485 on 5/1 last year?

 

They were saying DFA or bench him.

 

Same with Dalbec.

 

Same with Franchy.

[moonslav59]

I also think the uncertainty of the new CBA influenced the off-season so far. Sure, Bradley is expensive, but if the new CBA in unfavorable, his term is still very short.

 

 

There is also 2023.

 

The $8M buy out makes it possible he's back in 2023 (at $4M more than the buy out.)

[notin]

We talked about the OF all last offseason and we never figured out where we'd end up. We may have the same confusion this year.

 

Just don't sign Marwin.

 

Hey there may be room for Jarren Duran after all, even if the Sox sign Schwarber or Kris Bryant.

 

The only guy we know out there is Verdugo (for now).Certainly it’s very likely Hernandez is out there, but I’m not calling it definite. His glove plays anywhere and the 2b market looks decrepit…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Kudos to those rational enough to realize the Sox didn't trade Renfroe to replace him with Bradley. Those horrified with the thought of seeing JBJ at the plate again seem to forget -- before cratering in a new league, on a new team vs. new pitchers in new parks -- he actually batted .283 with .814 OPS in the pandemic summer, just a year ago.

 

Anyway, there's really not much difference on the big league roster today; Boston lost some power and gained some defense. Career K%: Renfroe 26.6%, JBJ 25.9%. Career dWAR: Renfroe -0.5, JBJ +9.6.

 

The two prospects weren't throw-ins, though. They were targets.

[Old Red]

Renfroe: 576 OPS in the postseason.

 

I’m not a big Renfroe fan, and I was all for replacing him, but without his 96 RBI the Sox don’t get to the postseason.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

One thing about this trade is it shows Bloom will sell high. It’s always tough to sell anything high because you don’t always know it’s at its peak value. But here’s the thing - most times, you really do know…

 

So does Bloom eat the gummies or just sprinkle it on his buckwheat pancakes, like Bill Lee?

[Old Red]

Kudos to those rational enough to realize the Sox didn't trade Renfroe to replace him with Bradley. Those horrified with the thought of seeing JBJ at the plate again seem to forget -- before cratering in a new league, on a new team vs. new pitchers in new parks -- he actually batted .283 with .814 OPS in the pandemic summer, just a year ago.

 

Anyway, there's really not much difference on the big league roster today; Boston lost some power and gained some defense. Career K%: Renfroe 26.6%, JBJ 25.9%. Career dWAR: Renfroe -0.5, JBJ +9.6.

 

The two prospects weren't throw-ins, though. They were targets.

 

Some on here are trying awfully hard to justify this trade, but to say JBJ couldn’t hit because of new pitches in new parks. Wow!

[mvp 78]

Hey there may be room for Jarren Duran after all, even if the Sox sign Schwarber or Kris Bryant.

 

The only guy we know out there is Verdugo (for now).Certainly it’s very likely Hernandez is out there, but I’m not calling it definite. His glove plays anywhere and the 2b market looks decrepit…

 

If the trade really just swaps Arroyo for JBJ, I'm not sure I'm all that concerned.

[mvp 78]

There was a legit chance that they were going to non tender Renfroe at 7.6M. Instead of non tendering him, they moved him for JBJ and got two decent MiLB prospects.

 

Seems ok?

 

I wasn't high on Renfroe to begin with so it just doesn't move the meter for me. It's a weird deal, but I'm not going to get upset over it.

 

Things like RBI are fickle because it depends on players around you. Renfroe is fine, but he's not really a lynchpin for this team.

[harmony]

I also think the uncertainty of the new CBA influenced the off-season so far. Sure, Bradley is expensive, but if the new CBA in unfavorable, his term is still very short.

 

It’s probably not a coincidence that several other big spending clubs, notably the Yankees and Dodgers, but also Phillies, Giants and Angels have not gotten involved in the top tier free agent market either. Even Syndergaard was only signed for one year…

FWIW the Los Angeles Angels re-signed Raisel Iglesias for four years and $58 million (in hopes of snapping baseball's longest current streak of consecutive losing seasons).

[moonslav59]

There was a legit chance that they were going to non tender Renfroe at 7.6M. Instead of non tendering him, they moved him for JBJ and got two decent MiLB prospects.

 

Seems ok?

 

I wasn't high on Renfroe to begin with so it just doesn't move the meter for me. It's a weird deal, but I'm not going to get upset over it.

 

Things like RBI are fickle because it depends on players around you. Renfroe is fine, but he's not really a lynchpin for this team.

 

That's how I see it.

 

I thought we might trade Renfroe. In one scenario, I mentioned doing it to free up some money and space to sign Schwarber, but this deal does not do that. (I was not for signing Schwarber without opening a slot first.)

 

I'm not upset, because of the prospects, but this deal is still weird, and the money part makes it more confusing than the Ottavino deal. Ottavino was better, and he did not have an $8M buy out for the second year.

 

I'm still wondering how much money MIL is paying. It sounds like a minor part, but if it's not, maybe the deal looks better, right now.

 

[Hugh2]

Some on here are trying awfully hard to justify this trade, but to say JBJ couldn’t hit because of new pitches in new parks. Wow!

 

I think you got it twisted, you keep talking like the Sox traded for JBJ, JBJ was the throw in. It was all about the prospects. They're going to sign an outfielder.

[moonslav59]

I think you got it twisted, you keep talking like the Sox traded for JBJ, JBJ was the throw in. It was all about the prospects. They're going to sign an outfielder.

 

"Twisting" like a certain common household large appliance does with your clothes.

[Old Red]

I think you got it twisted, you keep talking like the Sox traded for JBJ, JBJ was the throw in. It was all about the prospects. They're going to sign an outfielder.

 

JBJ was just the throw in, and you know this how? They are going to sign another outfielder, and you know this how? Everything is just speculation at this point, and nobody mows for sure what Blooms intentions are at this point..

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Some on here are trying awfully hard to justify this trade, but to say JBJ couldn’t hit because of new pitches in new parks. Wow!

 

And of course in your time as a baseball batter, I'm sure you immediately ripped ropes off every professional pitcher the first time you ever faced them, and never had to adjust to release points, deliveries and repertoires of stuff you've never seen before.

[notin]

And of course in your time as a baseball batter, I'm sure you immediately ripped ropes off every professional pitcher the first time you ever faced them, and never had to adjust to release points, deliveries and repertoires of stuff you've never seen before.

 

 

When Mike Lowell came to Boston and a new league, he said the biggest problem wasn’t the big name veteran pitchers. It was testing to adjust to all the pitchers he knew nothing about…

[Old Red]

"Twisting" like a certain common household large appliance does with your clothes.

 

Someone who has been full eclipsed is commenting on something he got scooped on. I didn’t see JBJ on your wishlist. Have you been following all the talk on this trade on all the sports shows, and print media in the real world? Not quite the same take as yours, but that’s, because they don’t use the polish.

[notin]

JBJ was just the throw in, and you know this how? They are going to sign another outfielder, and you know this how? Everything is just speculation at this point, and nobody mows for sure what Blooms intentions are at this point..

 

I would expect Bloom to sign at least one more outfielder, but I also think he is going to want to know the implications of the new CBA first, which is why he (among others) avoided the players with larger contracts so far.

 

That doesn’t mean once there is a new CBA, Bloom will go on a spending spree. But I expect if the conditions are not too restrictive, he will start at least working on contracts larger than those to date…

[Old Red]

And of course in your time as a baseball batter, I'm sure you immediately ripped ropes off every professional pitcher the first time you ever faced them, and never had to adjust to release points, deliveries and repertoires of stuff you've never seen before.

 

Do you honestly think JBJ is more likely to hit 283 again, or 163? Trying to defend JBJ’s BA is hilarious. It’s not being done anywhere else.

[Old Red]

I would expect Bloom to sign at least one more outfielder, but I also think he is going to want to know the implications of the new CBA first, which is why he (among others) avoided the players with larger contracts so far.

 

That doesn’t mean once there is a new CBA, Bloom will go on a spending spree. But I expect if the conditions are not too restrictive, he will start at least working on contracts larger than those to date…

 

Like I said everything is pure speculation by everybody, and Bloom isn’t talking at this point.

[moonslav59]

The prospect we got for Ottavino was Frank German. Nobody is too excited about him, now, but that does not mean the two we got with JBJ will flop.

[dgalehouse]

Bloom lets JBJ walk. Bloom sycophants applaud. JBJ has terrible year. Bloom sycophants applaud . Bloom acquires Renfroe. Bloom sycophants applaud. Renfroe has a good year. Bloom sycophants applaud. Bloom trades Renfroe for JBJ . Bloom sycophants applaud. It really is kind of comical. But they can't help it. They are Bloom sycophants.

[Bellhorn04]

Bloom lets JBJ walk. Bloom sycophants applaud. JBJ has terrible year. Bloom sycophants applaud . Bloom acquires Renfroe. Bloom sycophants applaud. Renfroe has a good year. Bloom sycophants applaud. Bloom trades Renfroe for JBJ . Bloom sycophants applaud. It really is kind of comical. But they can't help it. They are Bloom sycophants.

 

Wow, what an obnoxious post.

[Old Red]

Bloom lets JBJ walk. Bloom sycophants applaud. JBJ has terrible year. Bloom sycophants applaud . Bloom acquires Renfroe. Bloom sycophants applaud. Renfroe has a good year. Bloom sycophants applaud. Bloom trades Renfroe for JBJ . Bloom sycophants applaud. It really is kind of comical. But they can't help it. They are Bloom sycophants.

 

Well said, and they all seem to congregate on here. Total eclipse.

[Bellhorn04]

Well said, and they all seem to congregate on here. Total eclipse.

 

Find another forum then.

[Old Red]

Find another forum then.

 

EVERYONE is entitled to their opinion, and this s a talk forum. The problem is when someone has a different opinion as some on here. There should be a good balance, and some sort of disagreement, and it doesn’t mean one side is right over the other. Like I’ve said before there is a whole big world of Red Sox nation out there that doesn’t have the same opinion as some on here, but some can’t seem to handle that.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Do you honestly think JBJ is more likely to hit 283 again, or 163? Trying to defend JBJ’s BA is hilarious. It’s not being done anywhere else.

 

Do you honestly think anyone here or anywhere has said JBJ is a good MLB hitter? If so, please post the quote.

 

The facts are he hit .283 in '20 and .163 in '21. He's a .230 lifetime hitter, which is almost exactly in between; Renfroe's a career .237 hitter. The Sox team batting average just got 7/1000th worse...