Will the Sox give Eduardo Rodriguez a Qualifying Offer?

[Hugh2]

Doesn't seem like a very big number? He was going to get 18M if he took the QO.

 

$2.6 million more for just one year. He also has an opt-out after 2023.

[Hugh2]

I believe it's the 57th pick.

 

So it's after the first competitive balance pick round and before the 2nd? That actually sounds more correct. Even better!!!

[TylerD]

To the tigers. Won’t lie. Didn’t see that coming.

[moonslav59]

To the tigers. Won’t lie. Didn’t see that coming.

 

The Tigers are also looking at Correa or another big SS name.

[mvp 78]

Yes on Rodon, but no on Gausman and Stroman.

 

Losing ERod is obviously a big loss that the Sox are going to need to fill. It's still possible (likely?) that this need is not filled via free agency, however.

 

I would have liked ERod back, but I do have faith that the Sox are not going to simply stand pat on the pitching market. If last season is any indication, Bloom will make some moves that just look flat out stupid but will pan out better than expected...

 

As long as he isn't going to recreate the 2020 starting rotation, I'm fine with it.

[mvp 78]

The Tigers are also looking at Correa or another big SS name.

 

Good. Having more teams that spend is really good for baseball.

[Hugh2]

So it's after the first competitive balance pick round and before the 2nd? That actually sounds more correct. Even better!!!

 

Actually there's some confusion here on my part still. But I believe the compensation comes after the 2nd competitive balance round, which would put the pick somewhere around 75.

[mvp 78]

$2.6 million more for just one year. He also has an opt-out after 2023.

 

You're right. My perception is that if he was getting 5 years, that he'd be closer to 88M.

 

Seems like a fair value.

[mvp 78]

I think Noah Song and his 0 professional career IP might not jump into the rotation as quickly as many would like...

 

Even if he's ready on 4/1, we wouldn't see him in Boston this season unless they fast tracked him to the pen.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

As long as he isn't going to recreate the 2020 starting rotation, I'm fine with it.

 

One pundit already said not paying ERod is a bad sign, meaning Bloom won't be offering any pitcher $80 million. Maybe not, but the Red Sox' rotation now needs at least two bonafide starters. Hoping Sale will be better than this year and that Eovaldi won't be a year older and that a converted reliever won't go Daniel Bard circa 2012 may be beyond optimistic. The Seabolds and Winckowskis will get their shots, but true contenders need at least seven legit starters.

[moonslav59]

One pundit already said not paying ERod is a bad sign, meaning Bloom won't be offering any pitcher $80 million. Maybe not, but the Red Sox' rotation now needs at least two bonafide starters. Hoping Sale will be better than this year and that Eovaldi won't be a year older and that a converted reliever won't go Daniel Bard circa 2012 may be beyond optimistic. The Seabolds and Winckowskis will get their shots, but true contenders need at least seven legit starters.

 

It's hard to know.

 

Maybe Bloom likes some other pitcher better.

 

Maybe he likes getting the draft pick and finding an equal or better pitcher somewhere/somehow else.

[jacksonianmarch]

This was a good deal for Eddy. It is hard for a pitcher to bet on themselves. All it takes is one poorly thrown pitch and it's over. He gets the long term guarantee that will make him rich beyond his wildest dreams while also giving him the flexibility to jump back on the market at 30 should he shake off the covid rust the next two years. He also goes to a park that is historically one of the stingiest for HRs. I think this will end up being a 2 year deal, ultimately

[moonslav59]

This was a good deal for Eddy. It is hard for a pitcher to bet on themselves. All it takes is one poorly thrown pitch and it's over. He gets the long term guarantee that will make him rich beyond his wildest dreams while also giving him the flexibility to jump back on the market at 30 should he shake off the covid rust the next two years. He also goes to a park that is historically one of the stingiest for HRs. I think this will end up being a 2 year deal, ultimately

 

I do, too, but the money he got proves GMs look beyond ERA and see that after he shook off the "rust" early in the season, he got back into form.

[Old Red]

It's hard to know.

 

Maybe Bloom likes some other pitcher better.

 

Maybe he likes getting the draft pick and finding an equal or better pitcher somewhere/somehow else.

 

I think E Rod wanted to leave Boston, and if not I think this is a bad move. I know he butted heads with Cora a few times last year. E Rod proved one important thing, and that was he could pitch in Boston, and that is a big thing that no one mentions. We’ll see how he is replaced, and if this turns out as a good move for the Sox, but as of now I don’t think it is.

[jacksonianmarch]

I do, too, but the money he got proves GMs look beyond ERA and see that after he shook off the "rust" early in the season, he got back into form.

 

To an extent. If team's believed in his second half performance over his first, he would have gotten a 9 figure guarantee. If he truly is a 3.5 FIP player with 10+K's per 9 and a low BB rate, then he's a $20-$25 mil AAV guy.

[moonslav59]

To an extent. If team's believed in his second half performance over his first, he would have gotten a 9 figure guarantee. If he truly is a 3.5 FIP player with 10+K's per 9 and a low BB rate, then he's a $20-$25 mil AAV guy.

 

Looking beyond ERA does not mean ignoring it or ignoring the first third of the season, or ignoring he had serious COVID health issues from 2019 that could possibly linger on for years.

 

The opt out is a big plus for ERod and shows the Tigers valued him highly.

[jacksonianmarch]

Looking beyond ERA does not mean ignoring it or ignoring the first third of the season, or ignoring he had serious COVID health issues from 2019 that could possibly linger on for years.

 

The opt out is a big plus for ERod and shows the Tigers valued him highly.

 

I agree. I think ERod was expecting a 9 figure pay day. When he saw one wasn't out there, he hedged his bets on a long term deal should his body betray him yet also gave himself the chance to hit the market again should his body hold up. It is a win win for both teams. Honestly, the Tigers don't need him for more than two years. Their minor league and rookie pitching depth is really solid. They need a guy who can show them what it takes to be a champion

[moonslav59]

I think E Rod wanted to leave Boston, and if not I think this is a bad move. I know he butted heads with Cora a few times last year. E Rod proved one important thing, and that was he could pitch in Boston, and that is a big thing that no one mentions. We’ll see how he is replaced, and if this turns out as a good move for the Sox, but as of now I don’t think it is.

 

I'm not sure we know ERod's thought or motives, and you often question people for making statements they can not support with facts.

 

I think Detroit offered more than the Sox were prepared to offer. He may or may not be happy about leaving the team that set him on course to make millions and gave him a big fat ring on his finger.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think the sox would have loved the 5 year deal at that price for ERod. I dont think Bloom would have authorized that opt out. It places the risk entirely on the team with no massive upside should he right the ship

[moonslav59]

I agree. I think ERod was expecting a 9 figure pay day. When he saw one wasn't out there, he hedged his bets on a long term deal should his body betray him yet also gave himself the chance to hit the market again should his body hold up. It is a win win for both teams. Honestly, the Tigers don't need him for more than two years. Their minor league and rookie pitching depth is really solid. They need a guy who can show them what it takes to be a champion

 

Yes, the Tigers could have a great rotation as early as 2022. If they add Correa or Semien, they can compete with the White Sox.

[Old Red]

I'm not sure we know ERod's thought or motives, and you often question people for making statements they can not support with facts.

 

I think Detroit offered more than the Sox were prepared to offer. He may or may not be happy about leaving the team that set him on course to make millions and gave him a big fat ring on his finger.

 

It’s just an opinion that he wanted to leave, and if Detroit can offer more money than Boston could then it doesn’t look like much money will be spent again this off season. The contract he got from Detroit with an opt out after 2/28 million was not a bad contract. Like I said time will tell if this was a good move for the Sox.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Our last images of ERod will be him pointing to his wrist saying his time is worth as much as Correa's, and Alex Cora disagreeing: "No! No! NOOO!"

[mvp 78]

Actually there's some confusion here on my part still. But I believe the compensation comes after the 2nd competitive balance round, which would put the pick somewhere around 75.

 

Yes, my original assertion that it was pick 57 was wrong. It's the pick after Competitive Balance Round B, so pick 70.

[mvp 78]

One pundit already said not paying ERod is a bad sign, meaning Bloom won't be offering any pitcher $80 million. Maybe not, but the Red Sox' rotation now needs at least two bonafide starters. Hoping Sale will be better than this year and that Eovaldi won't be a year older and that a converted reliever won't go Daniel Bard circa 2012 may be beyond optimistic. The Seabolds and Winckowskis will get their shots, but true contenders need at least seven legit starters.

 

Maybe they just want to pay one guy a little more than ERod? I'd rather Stroman instead of ERod even if I'm paying more.

[mvp 78]

I think E Rod wanted to leave Boston, and if not I think this is a bad move. I know he butted heads with Cora a few times last year. E Rod proved one important thing, and that was he could pitch in Boston, and that is a big thing that no one mentions. We’ll see how he is replaced, and if this turns out as a good move for the Sox, but as of now I don’t think it is.

 

A lot of things I've read point towards his comfort level with Miggy and that the two of them are really close.

[moonslav59]

It’s just an opinion that he wanted to leave, and if Detroit can offer more money than Boston could then it doesn’t look like much money will be spent again this off season. The contract he got from Detroit with an opt out after 2/28 million was not a bad contract. Like I said time will tell if this was a good move for the Sox.

 

On the surface $28M/2 looks like a good deal for Detroit, and it is. It's basically $18.4M for the QO he could have gotten and just $9.6M for year two.

 

Have they announced the actual pay structure?

[Old Red]

On the surface $28M/2 looks like a good deal for Detroit, and it is. It's basically $18.4M for the QO he could have gotten and just $9.6M for year two.

 

Have they announced the actual pay structure?

 

All I’ve heard is 77M total with 28M the first 2 years, and the opt out.

[moonslav59]

All I’ve heard is 77M total with 28M the first 2 years, and the opt out.

 

I just read that. He does havd another $2M he can earn in incentives, but it seems light for the 2 years.

 

(We have to remember the value of the lost draft pick, too.)

Edited November 15, 2021 by moonslav59

[Old Red]

Maybe they just want to pay one guy a little more than ERod? I'd rather Stroman instead of ERod even if I'm paying more.

 

I think Stroman is overrated, and has been a 500 pitcher in his career, and who knows if he can handle pitching in Boston, or not like E Rod could.

[moonslav59]

I think Stroman is overrated, and has been a 500 pitcher in his career, and who knows if he can handle pitching in Boston, or not like E Rod could.

 

I have serious doubts about Stroman, Ray, gausman and Rodon.

 

I think we trade for a better pitcher making much less money.

 

This will allow us to sign some good RP'ers and maybe even a surprise, everyday player. (Semien? Baez? Schwarber?)