10/5 WC Game vs Yankess

[moonslav59]

If Stanton’s shot off Bra had been a few feet higher, and tied up the game would you have thought it was a good move then to take Nate out?

 

If he’d left Nate in and Stanton homered, would you have thought it was a good move?

 

Wel’ll always only know one side’s results, and hindsight talk will always be speculative, but hey, that’s one thing this site is for.

 

IMO, if Stanton HR’d off Brasier I’d have thought, well I got that one right or equal, at worst, but I’d still think Cora gets way more right that I do and most other managers, but that’s just my opinion.

 

If they left Eovaldi in, and Stanton HRd I’d have sympathized with those that felt he should have been yanked, but also trusted Cora knows more than we do...

[Old Red]

You answered two ways. I wanted to know which one you want. I still am not sure, but you are right: why should I care?

 

I said he’s here now, and not going anywhere, and I’m fine with that. Final answer. As usual always nice to chat with you, and I can’t believe you haven’t commented on me saying I was wrong last night.

[Bellhorn04]

If he’d left Nate in and Stanton homered, would you have thought it was a good move?

 

Wel’ll always only know one side’s results, and hindsight talk will always be speculative, but hey, that’s one thing this site is for.

 

IMO, if Stanton HR’d off Brasier I’d have thought, well I got that one right or equal, at worst, but I’d still think Cora gets way more right that I do and most other managers, but that’s just my opinion.

 

If they left Eovaldi in, and Stanton HRd I’d have sympathized with those that felt he should have been yanked, but also trusted Cora knows more than we do...

 

Let's face it, we all have our moments of recoiling in horror when a manager yanks a guy who has been pitching well.

 

But it does seem a little weird to be complaining about the manager after beating the Yankees 6-2.

[Swiharts Ghost]

You answered two ways. I wanted to know which one you want. I still am not sure, but you are right: why should I care?

 

Hard to believe this is a topic today ? Guy needs to be manager of the year after the ups downs and ultimately triumph over a very loaded Yankees team .I came here tonight to just to give my congratulations to every Redsox fan here it’s been an absolute roller coaster ride and I’m still hopeful it’s far from over .positive vibes here on out we need every single fan rowing toward one goal .

[Old Red]

If he’d left Nate in and Stanton homered, would you have thought it was a good move?

 

Wel’ll always only know one side’s results, and hindsight talk will always be speculative, but hey, that’s one thing this site is for.

 

IMO, if Stanton HR’d off Brasier I’d have thought, well I got that one right or equal, at worst, but I’d still think Cora gets way more right that I do and most other managers, but that’s just my opinion.

 

If they left Eovaldi in, and Stanton HRd I’d have sympathized with those that felt he should have been yanked, but also trusted Cora knows more than we do...

 

If Cora would have left Nate in to face Stanton, and he homered yes I would have thought it was the right move. I still say he had a better chance to get him out than Bra. Didn’t you say earlier you would have left him in to, or was that someone else?

[moonslav59]

If Cora would have left Nate in to face Stanton, and he homered yes I would have thought it was the right move. I still say he had a better chance to get him out than Bra. Didn’t you say earlier you would have left him in to, or was that someone else?

 

Yes, I said I’d have left him in, and there is no way of knowing what the right move was.

 

The near homer off Brasier does not prove anything.

 

I disagreed with the call, but not Cora. He knows more than both of us combined and then some... IMO, of course.

[Old Red]

Yes, I said I’d have left him in, and there is no way of knowing what the right move was.

 

The near homer off Brasier does not prove anything.

 

I disagreed with the call, but not Cora. He knows more than both of us combined and then some... IMO, of course.

 

Wasn’t Cora the one who made the call, or am I missing something?

[moonslav59]

Wasn’t Cora the one who made the call, or am I missing something?

 

Obviously, yes.

[Old Red]

 

Obviously, yes.

 

Well if Cora made the call, and you disagreed with the call then you disagreed with Cora.

[moonslav59]

Well if Cora made the call, and you disagreed with the call then you disagreed with Cora.

 

No, I agree with Cora, even if my opinion was differing, because I don’t know and can never know if my opinion was right.

 

Lol

[Old Red]

 

No, I agree with Cora, even if my opinion was differing, because I don’t know and can never know if my opinion was right.

 

Lol

 

Well like I said earlier it’s been nice chatting with you, and we’ve battered things around enough today, so let’s agree, where we agree, and disagree where we disagree, and move on to Tampa Bay.

[Maxbialystock]

You make it sound I was the only one saying to leave EO in last night, and I wasn’t. You guys are good going back, and looking at things, so go back, and look at how many said to leave him in. I guess guys have to pitch a perfect game to be allowed to stay in, and that is why Rizzo hit the home run, because it was his 3rd AB. Must have been why Judge hit that little dribbler to Bogey on his 3rd AB. Was was the excuse for Bra giving up that shot of the wall to Stanton on his first time facing him, or Whitlock giving up the homer on his fist time facing him. Pitchers are going to give up hits, and homers no matter how many times they batter. The last time EO faced the Yankees had nothing to do with last nights game, so like I said about everyone commenting last night said to leave EO in, so I guess they must all be wrong too.

 

I was not part of the discussion when Eovaldi was pulled. For the better part of this season, I have preferred leaving guys in to reduce the strain on the bullpen. I almost went ape when Pivetta was pulled after 6.2 innings of a no-hitter, but later learned he was more than ready to leave the game.

 

I went even more ape last year when I learned that Kevin Cash pulled Snell in the 6th inning of the 6th game of the World Series, a game which the Rays had to win and in which Snell was dominating the Dodgers lineup. After the game Cash said he pulled Snell because that was his plan before the game and because with one out in the 6th, the Dodgers Barnes had singled and the top of the Dodgers order was coming to bat for--wait for it--the third time. So, out went Snell, in came Anderson, Mookie doubled, and both he and the guy who singled then scored and put the Dodgers ahead, 2-1. They won the game 3-1 and the WS, and I thought Cash was an idiot. I learned later I was in the minority and still am. Cash is considered to be one of the best managers in MLB.

 

The new reality in MLB is that bullpens have never been more important. Last night Cora was knee deep in good relievers thanks to the return of Whitlock and the availability of Houck, et al. Sunday night when Sale went sour, he used six relievers including Pivetta and ERod, and just one guy, Richards, stunk. The other five pitched 5.2 scoreless innings.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Final WC words on Boston's elimination of New York, rigor mortis version: for Yankee fans making excuses, complaining how Stanton's two shots off the Monster would've been homers in any other park...

 

... Red Sox fans' immediate and forever-after responses should be: 1) Stanton's actual HR past the Pesky pole wouldn't have been out in most parks (while Plawecki's double off the bullpen was gone in the Stadium); and 2). if the Wall wasn't there in '78, no one would have ever heard of Bucky Dent... Yaz was drifting back to catch the pop-up and just ran out of room.

[jad]

Blessedly I missed this discussion. So the RS make the post-season by thumping their arch rivals in a win or go home game, allowing only two runs, playing extremely well on defense (from what I saw), and now is the time for some posters to call for Cora's head? Can't we argue instead about Grady Little and Posada's pop-up?

 

EDIT: OMG I see we are. OK. How about whether Wakefield should have pitched to Boone or how long Lonberg should have been left in in 1967? Maybe Yaz should have tried to go left field in 1978 against Gossage?

Edited October 7, 2021 by jad

[S5Dewey]

Blessedly I missed this discussion. So the RS make the post-season by thumping their arch rivals in a win or go home game, allowing only two runs, playing extremely well on defense (from what I saw), and now is the time for some posters to call for Cora's head? Can't we argue instead about Grady Little and Posada's pop-up?

 

EDIT: OMG I see we are. OK. How about whether Wakefield should have pitched to Boone or how long Lonberg should have been left in in 1967? Maybe Yaz should have tried to go left field in 1978 against Gossage?

 

Yes. Alll of this. ^

 

Good Lord. Some of us come here and bicker about what was the right thing to do in any situations after Cora's moves are successful. It's pretty obvious that Cora made the right choices! - because what he did worked. Duh.

Sometimes there's more than one "right choice" and maybe...just maybe... things would have worked out the same had Cora not pulled those pitchers when he did - or maybe they wouldn't have. We don't know. All we know for sure is that what he did worked and that's good enough for me. (And this is coming from a guy who posted that I was concerned that sooner or later Cora would put someone out there who couldn't do the job).

[TylerD]

Game day!!!!!