A Realistic View at 2022: Part I

[dgalehouse]

Renfroe + 5 players.

 

I heard about a shrewd trader who got six shiny new quarters for just one wrinkled old five dollar bill.

[moonslav59]

It's evidence that this poster provides relevant information but is rarely here to make a point.

 

You might think you're not making a point, but the assumption was obvious.

[moonslav59]

I heard about a shrewd trader who got six shiny new quarters for just one wrinkled old five dollar bill.

 

Renfroe was a least a shiny 50 cent piece.

 

Some might argue he was a five dollar bill like beni.

[harmony]

You might think you're not making a point, but the assumption was obvious.

If the goal was to make a point the undermining informaton would have been withheld.

 

Objectivity is a heavy cross to bear.

[moonslav59]

If the goal was to make a point the undermining informaton would have been withheld.

 

Objectivity is a heavy cross to bear.

 

Is than an opinion?

 

LOL

[notin]

Renfroe's play right up there with Manny's catch, high-fiving the fan, and doubling up the runner at first.

 

(And who was the guy--good hitter, horrible glove--who over-ran the ball in left, reached back, and caught it bare-handed with his throwing hand?)

 

Kevin Mitchell

[moonslav59]

Best OPS Streaks of 2021 with 150+ PAs (no overlapping streaks):

 

1.114 Bogey (150 PAs) 4/5-5/15

1.056 JD M (150 PAs) 4/3-5/11

1.031 Devers (161 PAs) 4/18-5/21

.971 Schwarber (150) 8/15-9/30

.956 Dalbec (222 PAs) 6/17-9/18

.949 Devers (240 PAs) 5/23-8/1

.932 Kike (232) 6/28-9/7

.922 Renfroe (259) 6/20-9/8

.893 JD M (233) 5/12-7/21

.880 Verdugo (170) 4/5-5/21

.879 Renfroe (155) 5/1-6/16

.873 Bogey (155) 5/19-7/1

.836 Arroyo (152) 4/10-7/17

.825 Devers (207) 8/10-10/3

.780 Verdugo (295) 5/28-8/25

.756 Plawecki (150) 4/3-9/6

.687 Vazquez (156) 4/4-5/23

.618 Marwin (176) 4/3-6/6

 

(I did the best I could. Some better streaks might be found by deeper research.)

 

Edited February 9, 2022 by moonslav59

[harmony]

Kevin Mitchell

[moonslav59]

Best Sox OPS Against Streaks in 2021 (35 IP+ with no overlaps)

 

.498 Barnes (40 IP) 2.48 ERA

.514 Ottavino (37) 1.96

.598 Houck (39) 2.97

.602 Pivetta (43) 3.16

.602 Taylor (45) 2.60

.613 Valdez (35) 3.82

.620 ERod (43) 3.12

.625 Eovaldi (48) 2.27

.631 Whitlock (38) 1.42

.631 Whitlock (35) 2.55

.638 Perez (37) 2.68

.647 Eovaldi (35) 3.63

.654 DHern (38) 2.82

.674 Eovaldi (59) 2.61

.697 Sale (35) 2.80

.707 Sawamura (37) 2.43

.726 Richards (43) 2.70

.753 ERod (38) 3.32

[mvp 78]

I never said anything about whether or not the evaluators were including Whitlock. I just said he was never part of the Red Sox farm. And to date, he hasn’t been…

 

These rankings include all players who haven't "graduated" yet, even if they are on the MLB team. You're wrong.

[mvp 78]

Renfroe was a least a shiny 50 cent piece.

 

Some might argue he was a five dollar bill like beni.

 

Beni is not a five dollar bill. If you ignore 2018, he's an average player at best.

[moonslav59]

Beni is not a five dollar bill. If you ignore 2018, he's an average player at best.

 

I was not the one who called him a 5 dollar bill, initially. I was just responding with the same terminology used by a previous poster.

 

Also, I was not aware a 5 dollar player was worth anything more than an average player.

 

Again, you twist and twirl and assume wrongly.

 

(I did not ignore anything. I was never high on Beni. I liked the trade and still do.)

 

[mvp 78]

Beni's 2021 is basically mid 30's Mike Stanley production.

[mvp 78]

I was not the one who called him a 5 dollar bill, initially. I was just responding with the same terminology used by a previous poster.

 

Also, I was not aware a 5 dollar player was worth anything more than an average player.

 

Again, you twist and twirl and assume wrongly.

 

(I did not ignore anything. I was never high on Beni. I liked the trade and still do.)

 

 

I was contributing to the discussion, not trying to say you were the one who stated he was a five dollar bill.

 

Again, you continue to get upset about every goddamn thing on here.

[moonslav59]

I was contributing to the discussion, not trying to say you were the one who stated he was a five dollar bill.

 

Again, you continue to get upset about every goddamn thing on here.

 

I'm not upset. Again, you assume wrongly.

 

And you said "If you ignore..." in a response to my post. That seems directed at me.

 

Maybe, if you think before you go off on another hyper critical post, this would not happen, and again, I am not upset or angry. In fact, I am highly content and relaxed.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

No one here said Benintendi is a superstar, though some may dislike him because he was once projected to be one. The comparison is that his WAR shows he's at least as good as Renfroe. One has more power but whiffs more, the other has more speed and is a better outfielder. The big difference fueling conjecture about their changing teams is that one makes twice as much money as the other... which may also be a reason why Hunter is on the move again, as he's due for a raise (but at three years older, maybe not equal to Andrew's salary).

[mvp 78]

No one here said Benintendi is a superstar, though some may dislike him because he was once projected to be one. The comparison is that his WAR shows he's at least as good as Renfroe. One has more power but whiffs more, the other has more speed and is a better outfielder. The big difference fueling conjecture about their changing teams is that one makes twice as much money as the other... which may also be a reason why Hunter is on the move again, as he's due for a raise (but at three years older, maybe not equal to Andrew's salary).

 

Yeah, I don't think Hunter is a five dollar bill either. They probably have the same amount of value. Per Baseball Trade Values, a trade of Renfroe for Beni would be accepted (though Beni has slightly higher value).

[moonslav59]

No one here said Benintendi is a superstar, though some may dislike him because he was once projected to be one. The comparison is that his WAR shows he's at least as good as Renfroe. One has more power but whiffs more, the other has more speed and is a better outfielder. The big difference fueling conjecture about their changing teams is that one makes twice as much money as the other... which may also be a reason why Hunter is on the move again, as he's due for a raise (but at three years older, maybe not equal to Andrew's salary).

 

It's hard to compare their defense. I shutter to think of Beni in RF.

 

Renfroe in Fenway's LF would not be all that bad.

 

I'd call Renfroe & Beni close to even. The 5 players/prospects obtained makes the deal more promising.

[mvp 78]

It's hard to compare their defense. I shutter to think of Beni in RF.

 

Renfroe in Fenway's LF would not be all that bad.

 

I'd call Renfroe & Beni close to even. The 5 players/prospects obtained makes the deal more promising.

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=rf&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2021&month=0&season1=2021&ind=0&team=7&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2021-01-01&enddate=2021-12-31

 

Interesting that the Royals think so little of Beni's defense that they kept him in LF and were forced to put Jorge Soler and Hunter Dozier in RF.

 

Beni was just a poor man's replacement for Alex Gordon and that's depressing AF.

[notin]

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=rf&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2021&month=0&season1=2021&ind=0&team=7&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2021-01-01&enddate=2021-12-31

 

Interesting that the Royals think so little of Beni's defense that they kept him in LF and were forced to put Jorge Soler and Hunter Dozier in RF.

 

Beni was just a poor man's replacement for Alex Gordon and that's depressing AF.

 

 

A Destitute Man’s replacement. Gordon had a 4 year stretch where he was worth 21.6 fWAR. In 5 full seasons, Benintendi has been worth less than half of that…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

A Destitute Man’s replacement. Gordon had a 4 year stretch where he was worth 21.6 fWAR. In 5 full seasons, Benintendi has been worth less than half of that…

 

Man, the Beni haters on here... Benintendi won the Gold Glove his first year, continuing a five-year string of fielding awards for KC leftfielders (though Beni had a positive dWAR, unlike Gordon in his last two seasons).

[mvp 78]

Man, the Beni haters on here... Benintendi won the Gold Glove his first year, continuing a five-year string of fielding awards for KC leftfielders (though Beni had a positive dWAR, unlike Gordon in his last two seasons).

 

His UZR/150 was worse than 9 out of 11 Alex Gordon seasons.

 

Negative Total Zone Arm Outs Above Average. 20th in Plus/Minus Fielding Runs Above Average. 120th in Range Factor per 9.

 

Beni catches everything that is hit to him, but he has a terrible arm and poor range.

[moonslav59]

I didn't hate Beni. I just was not thrilled by his play.

[dgalehouse]

A five dollar bill doesn't mean you are rich. Just that it's better than six quarters.

[moonslav59]

A five dollar bill doesn't mean you are rich. Just that it's better than six quarters.

 

What about 10 dollar bills, 20 dollar bills, 50 dollar bills and 100's?

 

I never equated a $5 bill as being anything special. (Ok, maybe when I was like 10.)

[moonslav59]

The All Sox OPS Team Under Henry (2003-2021):

 

500+ PAs

 

1. Betts .893 CF

2. Nomar .869 SS

3. Ortiz .956 DH

4. Manny .982 LF

5. Beltre .919 3B

6. JD .917 DH

7. J Bay .915 RF (yikes!)

8. AGon .895 1B

9.VMart .865 C

 

Bench: Youk .875, Nixon .857, VTek .784, Mueller .853 or Devers .847

 

SP (ERA-) 150+ IP

66 Pedro

67 Sale

83 Schilling

84 Lester

86 Price

88 Eovaldi

 

RP WHIP (50+ IP)

0.81 Uehara

0.91 Kimbrel

1.00 Pabelbon

1.04 B-H Kim

1.10 Whitlock

1.11 Bard

 

13th arm?

1.17 Foulke

93 Beckett

1.18 A Miller

92 ERod

91 Wright

93 Buch

1.17 Aceves

[moonslav59]

Best UZR/150's Under Henry (700+ Innings)

 

RF

19.5 Kapler

18.1 Betts

16.3 Victorino

14.6 Nixon

10.2 Nava

7.5 JD Drew

6.4 Cody Ross

 

CF

12.1 Kike

9.1 Crisp

6.3 JBJ

4.6 Ellsbury

 

SS

14.4 Alex Gonzalez

10.9 S Drew

6.5 Aviles

4.8 Cora

 

1B

11.3 AGon

9.5 Youk

6.3 T Shaw

4.2 Napoli

 

3B

11.2 Beltre

2.8 Youk

2.1 T Shaw

 

2B

9.1 Pedey

2.7 Holt

-4.0 Bellhorn

 

LF

2.1 Verdugo

2.0 J Gomes

1.0 Beni

[Bellhorn04]

A five dollar bill doesn't mean you are rich. Just that it's better than six quarters.

 

Unless one of the quarters is a collector's item.

[harmony]

The Red Sox remain at No. 20 in farm system rankings by columnist Keith Law at The Athletic:

 

https://theathletic.com/3112765/2022/02/07/mlb-2022-farm-system-rankings-keith-law-grades-all-30-teams-on-prospects-with-the-dodgers-at-no-1/

 

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From Wednesday's chat with The Athletic columnist Keith Law on his farm system rankings:

Andy R.

Feb 7

Klaw, great stuff as always. Is there a system you see as particularly high ceiling/high variance? Someone you wouldn't be surprised to see jumping either up or down a large distance in the midseason rankings?

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Keith Law

Feb 7

@Andy R. Red Sox, Yankees, Guardians all come to mind.

https://theathletic.com/3115040/2022/02/07/live-qa-keith-law-discusses-his-2022-mlb-farm-system-rankings/

 

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Edited February 9, 2022 by harmony

[notin]

Man, the Beni haters on here... Benintendi won the Gold Glove his first year, continuing a five-year string of fielding awards for KC leftfielders (though Beni had a positive dWAR, unlike Gordon in his last two seasons).

 

Why does comparing him to Gordon equate to hating Benintendi?