trade deadline

[a700hitter]

Erod is the guy. If he doesn't get it going again, it's deep doo-doo.

If ERod doesn’t step up, the Red Sox will need to buy tickets to get into a post season game. It will be a quick death spiral.

[notin]

I'm not going to knock Bloom about the deadline. I know his resources were limited. I am however disappointed in not acquiring a starting pitcher.

 

What's kind of funny in retrospect is all the excitement that got temporarily stirred up about Red Sox ownership 'pushing for Scherzer'. As it turned out it was a joke to think we had any chance. I wonder if that rumor was real.

 

 

At the time, it was exciting to see them so close for Scherzer and Berrios, but at the end when we saw what those pitchers went for, it became obvious that he was sitting at the $1,000 table with only $500 in chips.

 

The real disappointment was that, as far as we know, he didn’t pursue pitchers like Jon Gray, Jose Quintana, Chris Archer, etc. And as those pitchers didn’t go anywhere, we don’t even know if he could have topped any offers. Now maybe he felt Sale and Houck were already better options - which certainly could wind up being true - but that doesn’t negate the need for pitching depth, especially in the rotation.

 

It’s also kind of tough to tell if he could have topped the orders for Rizzo and Gallo, since I don’t know much about the prospects the Yankees moved, and the various sources for learning anything about them give insufficient information (to me, at least). But my first thoughts are they could have topped those offers, but I’m on the fence about whether or not they should have.

 

And my biggest disappointment is that they simply ignored Jon Schoop, which I concluded based on an article that everyone seemed to ignore Schoop. He seemed like some pretty low-hanging fruit…

[moonslav59]

Bloom did not fail at the deadline, so he has nothing to learn from this. His priority is still the long term sustainability of this team, while at the same time keeping this year's team competitive. He did exactly what he set out to do.

 

The kind of moves that the media and fans were looking for Bloom to make are the exact types of moves that will get the team in trouble.

 

After reading Bloom's comments after the trade deadline, I'm an even bigger fan than I was before. Thank goodness he is our GM.

 

100% Kimmi. 100%

[moonslav59]

At the time, it was exciting to see them so close for Scherzer and Berrios, but at the end when we saw what those pitchers went for, it became obvious that he was sitting at the $1,000 table with only $500 in chips.

 

The real disappointment was that, as far as we know, he didn’t pursue pitchers like Jon Gray, Jose Quintana, Chris Archer, etc. And as those pitchers didn’t go anywhere, we don’t even know if he could have topped any offers. Now maybe he felt Sale and Houck were already better options - which certainly could wind up being true - but that doesn’t negate the need for pitching depth, especially in the rotation.

 

It’s also kind of tough to tell if he could have topped the orders for Rizzo and Gallo, since I don’t know much about the prospects the Yankees moved, and the various sources for learning anything about them give insufficient information (to me, at least). But my first thoughts are they could have topped those offers, but I’m on the fence about whether or not they should have.

 

And my biggest disappointment is that they simply ignored Jon Schoop, which I concluded based on an article that everyone seemed to ignore Schoop. He seemed like some pretty low-hanging fruit…

 

I hear you, but if Schwarer plays 1B, there was no need for Schoop.

 

I, too had hoped we'd get a guy like Jon Gray. Maybe Bloom saw Sale replacing Richards, Houck replacing Perez and Gray as not much better than Pivetta, if at all better.

 

It will be interesting to see what they do with Richards and Perez, since we added pen depth, and Sawamuara and DHern will return from the IL, too.

[a700hitter]

I’ll be happy if Schwarber makes it back before September regardless of his position.

[mvp 78]

I hear you, but if Schwarer plays 1B, there was no need for Schoop.

 

I, too had hoped we'd get a guy like Jon Gray. Maybe Bloom saw Sale replacing Richards, Houck replacing Perez and Gray as not much better than Pivetta, if at all better.

 

It will be interesting to see what they do with Richards and Perez, since we added pen depth, and Sawamuara and DHern will return from the IL, too.

 

He's never played there before. When asked about it, Bloom just said it was to help the depth in the OF. Did he even mention Schwarber at 1b?

[moonslav59]

I’ll be happy if Schwarber makes it back before September regardless of his position.

 

So optimistic, you are.

[notin]

So optimistic, you are.

 

He’s also lying. He won’t be happy regardless of when Schwarber returns..

[moonslav59]

He’s also lying. He won’t be happy regardless of when Schwarber returns..

 

True, but I'm tired of calling him a liar.

[mvp 78]

True, but I'm tired of calling him a liar.

 

Then don't.

[moonslav59]

Then don't.

 

I haven't in a while.

 

It helped that he has posted less than before.

[mvp 78]

I haven't in a while.

 

It helped that he has posted less than before.

 

Just put him on ignore and be done with it if you think he doesn't provide any value to you.

[dgalehouse]

The loyalty to Bloom is impressive . Almost as if he can do no wrong. Personally. I would like to see him actually win something first.

[mvp 78]

The loyalty to Bloom is impressive . Almost as if he can do no wrong. Personally. I would like to see him actually win something first.

 

We are just plebes, unworthy of having our own opinions.

[notin]

The loyalty to Bloom is impressive . Almost as if he can do no wrong. Personally. I would like to see him actually win something first.

 

So still not impressed that a team many were saying would be lucky to win 75 games had won more than 60 before August?

[Bellhorn04]

The loyalty to Bloom is impressive . Almost as if he can do no wrong. Personally. I would like to see him actually win something first.

 

Yes, we get it. The truth is, Bloom has his detractors here, and even the loyalists question certain moves. He's not getting a free ride.

[mvp 78]

So still not impressed that a team many were saying would be lucky to win 75 games had won more than 60 before August?

 

Well, if they have lost 4 straight. If that continues, they will be lucky to get 75 wins.

[notin]

Yes, we get it. The truth is, Bloom has his detractors here, and even the loyalists question certain moves. He's not getting a free ride.

 

Failure to criticize everything means you’re just an apologist..

[notin]

Well, if they have lost 4 straight. If that continues, they will be lucky to get 75 wins.

 

Or they could be the first team in MLB history to lose 4 straight games at one point and still win more than 75!!

 

Or not..

[mvp 78]

Or they could be the first team in MLB history to lose 4 straight games at one point and still win more than 75!!

 

Or not..

 

Hmmm, interesting theory. See, they didn't get corner the market on names that start with "Sch." The failure to do so will have them on the outside looking in this offseason. Why didn't they just package Wilson/Chavis/Wong/Bazardo/Ward/Cordero to get Max? This is a failure on Bloom's part!

[oldtimer]

For whatever reason, the Sox did not improve the first base position and did not upgrade he starting pitching. Those are facts and the results have already begun to show up, as other teams did make improvements. Bloom is suggesting he did not wish to derail the long term objective of making the club consistently competitive. To do that he needed to maintain or imp-prove the strength in the minors and be mindful of the CBT. In effect we were willing to to sacrifice some marginal gain this season for some perceived improvement in future seasons. Some are critical of that approach as one never knows when we will be at the top of the division again. Others aren't critical and are of a mind the Sox didn't really have a strong chance of winning the WS this year anyway.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

For whatever reason, the Sox did not improve the first base position and did not upgrade he starting pitching. Those are facts and the results have already begun to show up, as other teams did make improvements. Bloom is suggesting he did not wish to derail the long term objective of making the club consistently competitive. To do that he needed to maintain or imp-prove the strength in the minors and be mindful of the CBT. In effect we were willing to to sacrifice some marginal gain this season for some perceived improvement in future seasons. Some are critical of that approach as one never knows when we will be at the top of the division again. Others aren't critical and are of a mind the Sox didn't really have a strong chance of winning the WS this year anyway.

 

I like to think of myself as more analytical than critical. We watch all the games, and look at all the players, and everyone knows our roster that fills out the batting order and pitching staff isn't quite as good as Houston's or Chicago's or now, Toronto's. Then again, don't we at least match up with the names on the field and in the line-up for defending AL champion Tampa?

 

But very few games in the standings separate any of these teams. So theoretically, don't any four of them have close to an equal chance to at least make it to the World Series?

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

One thing about the long 162 game schedule; it usually separates the pretenders from the real contenders.

[a700hitter]

He’s also lying. He won’t be happy regardless of when Schwarber returns..

So now you are a mind reader. You can read my mind and Bloom's mind too!

[Bellhorn04]

For whatever reason, the Sox did not improve the first base position and did not upgrade he starting pitching. Those are facts and the results have already begun to show up, as other teams did make improvements. Bloom is suggesting he did not wish to derail the long term objective of making the club consistently competitive. To do that he needed to maintain or imp-prove the strength in the minors and be mindful of the CBT. In effect we were willing to to sacrifice some marginal gain this season for some perceived improvement in future seasons. Some are critical of that approach as one never knows when we will be at the top of the division again. Others aren't critical and are of a mind the Sox didn't really have a strong chance of winning the WS this year anyway.

 

Nice summation, oldtimer.

[a700hitter]

I haven't in a while.

 

It helped that he has posted less than before.

I have been in the process of moving my home of 32 years to another state. That process is complete. Good news for you douche bag, I'll be posting much more regularly.

[moonslav59]

Fun, fun, fun!

[notin]

So now you are a mind reader. You can read my mind and Bloom's mind too!

 

It doesn’t take a mind reader to know you’re not happy

[Fan_since_Boggs]

A pretty good summary of the winners and losers from SI:

 

Losers

 

Boston Red Sox: Yes, Boston has been in first place for most of the season. But it still could have used some activity at this deadline—help at first base, the bullpen or extra rotation depth in case Chris Sale doesn’t have the smoothest return from the IL?—and didn’t do much. The Red Sox instead settled for picking up outfielder Kyle Schwarber, who’s currently injured, and reliever Hansel Robles, who’s having a lackluster season. Meanwhile, the Yankees, Rays and Blue Jays added to their rosters, ensuring this division will look much tougher the rest of the way. That’s not a disaster for the Red Sox. (While the Rays are just 1.5 games behind them, everyone else is much further back.) But it sure should make them uncomfortable, and depending on how this one plays out, it could easily end up looking like a missed opportunity.

https://www.si.com/mlb/2021/07/31/2021-trade-deadline-winners-losers

Edited August 2, 2021 by Fan_since_Boggs

[moonslav59]

A pretty good summary of the winners and losers from SI:

 

Not a word spoken about what was given up.

 

Kind of a one-sided view.