Barnes extended

[moonslav59]

I told you all it was highway robbery, and I meant it.

[Bellhorn04]

The hyperbolic highway robbery.

 

He's no Blake Treinen, that's for sure.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I was at yesterday's game. The bright spot on defense was when Schwarber rushed in from left field to tag out the final baserunner when the Rangers ran themselves out of a rally. Forget the excuses of the D not supporting Barnes -- it's not going to improve, and no team meeting is going to change bad hands or arms or lack of range. The reason Barnes is lousy this summer is because he can no longer put batters away. Ottavino was always inconsistent at this... but Whitlock still can do it -- for the most part.

 

The key to the last month just may be if Cora can find another strikeout reliever, whether it's Houck with his righty Sale stuff, or Robles' 98 mph brushbacks... yes, it is that desperate.

 

Texas deserved to lose because its closer threw an 0-2 pitch in the air to Devers. I said he'd swing at anything near his bat and all the pitcher had to do was roll the ball to home to end the game. Watching the replay from the centerfield camera angle, however, the pitch wasn't that bad -- slider on the outside corner -- but still Santana's fault because Rafie could reach it.

[Maxbialystock]

I was at yesterday's game. The bright spot on defense was when Schwarber rushed in from left field to tag out the final baserunner when the Rangers ran themselves out of a rally. Forget the excuses of the D not supporting Barnes -- it's not going to improve, and no team meeting is going to change bad hands or arms or lack of range. The reason Barnes is lousy this summer is because he can no longer put batters away. Ottavino was always inconsistent at this... but Whitlock still can do it -- for the most part.

 

The key to the last month just may be if Cora can find another strikeout reliever, whether it's Houck with his righty Sale stuff, or Robles' 98 mph brushbacks... yes, it is that desperate.

 

Texas deserved to lose because its closer threw an 0-2 pitch in the air to Devers. I said he'd swing at anything near his bat and all the pitcher had to do was roll the ball to home to end the game. Watching the replay from the centerfield camera angle, however, the pitch wasn't that bad -- slider on the outside corner -- but still Santana's fault because Rafie could reach it.

 

Good stuff.

[mvp 78]

On the HE CAN NO LONGER PUT BATTERS AWAY argument

 

K/9 2021

APR 16.07

MAY 14.40

JUN 14.73

JUL 7.88

AUG 16.88

 

BB/9 2021

APR 1.93

MAY 1.80

JUN 3.27

JUL 2.25

AUG 5.06

 

BABIP

APR 190

MAY 313

JUN 364

JUL 167

AUG 571

 

It's not that he can't put hitters away. He's striking out guys at a higher clip now. The problem is that he's putting too many runners on via BB and is giving up a lot of hard contact. His AUG WHIP of 2.44 is twice as high as any other month this year. Part of it is due to just baseball lol random and that his numbers are now trending back to career norms. This year, he had career highs in XBA, XSLG, XWOBA, K%, BB%, XERA. He wasn't going to keep up that pace. If he's can start locating his curveball a bit better again, he'll turn it around.

 

Saying "Barnes has been lousy this summer" is just false. He's been great. He's just sucked since August 1.

[mvp 78]

What did his previous outing vs Texas look like?

 

strikeout

strikeout

strikeout

[mvp 78]

3 of the 4 hits he gave up last night averaged 46 ft. They combined for a -4 launch angle.

[moonslav59]

3 of the 4 hits he gave up last night averaged 46 ft. They combined for a -4 launch angle.

 

I got roasted for pointing out the fact that Barnes needed to get 5-6 outs that inning.

 

I wasn't trying to claim Barnes was blameless, but our D sucks, badly. They need to share in the blame.

 

It bothers me, that when the game is on the line, we fell apart on the field. It was very awful-looking, and it kills a pitcher's psyche.

 

[mvp 78]

I got roasted for pointing out the fact that Barnes needed to get 5-6 outs that inning.

 

I wasn't trying to claim Barnes was blameless, but our D sucks, badly. They need to share in the blame.

 

It bothers me, that when the game is on the line, we fell apart on the field. It was very awful-looking, and it kills a pitcher's psyche.

 

 

I'm not worried about Barnes going forward. He's the same pitcher he has always been. He's the modern version of Bob Stanley.

[iortiz]

I'm not worried about Barnes going forward. He's the same pitcher he has always been. He's the modern version of Bob Stanley.

 

No.

 

This year he was a completely different pitcher until the second half. Command and Control haven't been there in the second half.

[mvp 78]

No.

 

This year he was a completely different pitcher until the second half. Command and Control haven't been there in the second half.

 

He was fine in July which is also part of the 2nd half.

[iortiz]

He was fine in July which is also part of the 2nd half.

 

Sure but point is that this year he has been a stud. His career before 2021 is a different story. Before August, he had been a different pitcher reason why they extended I guess.

 

Said that, lately he's been terrible due his lack of command and control. Will he regress to his career numbers? We'll see.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Technically summer is officially June 20 until September 22, so Barnes has only been lousy in part of this summer -- the part that matters most so far, namely when the first-place Red Sox blew the division lead.

 

iortiz astutely cites, "command and control" as the issue, and from my observation, Barnes has lost his curve when it matters. More are bouncing, less are snapping in the zone, and batters have been sitting on his fastball. And I'm not talking about Semien hacking first pitch, but Springer swinging from the heels on 3-2 because he knows dead red is coming.

 

In reverse, this is why Eovaldi continues to improve. In the past it seemed a mystery how a guy who throws 100 mph could get hit so much, but Eck and co. now rave about the mix of Nate's "five-pitch repertoire".

[mvp 78]

Technically summer is officially June 20 until September 22, so Barnes has only been lousy in part of this summer -- the part that matters most so far, namely when the first-place Red Sox blew the division lead.

 

iortiz astutely cites, "command and control" as the issue, and from my observation, Barnes has lost his curve when it matters. More are bouncing, less are snapping in the zone, and batters have been sitting on his fastball. And I'm not talking about Semien hacking first pitch, but Springer swinging from the heels on 3-2 because he knows dead red is coming.

 

In reverse, this is why Eovaldi continues to improve. In the past it seemed a mystery how a guy who throws 100 mph could get hit so much, but Eck and co. now rave about the mix of Nate's "five-pitch repertoire".

 

Speier is reporting today that Barnes' issues are due to locating his fastball. Barnes has said that he's leaving it out over the middle too much.

[MADSTORK]

What did his previous outing vs Texas look like?

 

strikeout

strikeout

strikeout

 

Vs a Double AA Lineup

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Speier is reporting today that Barnes' issues are due to locating his fastball. Barnes has said that he's leaving it out over the middle too much.

 

Batters should always look for the fastball, especially from a guy who throws hard. But when I face a pitcher who just bounced a curve, I'm expecting heat the rest of the at bat; especially, with men on base, and particularly, on third.

[moonslav59]

Vs a Double AA Lineup

 

Not a "fact."

[notin]

Vs a Double AA Lineup

 

Wow.

 

Not just a AA lineup, but a Double AA lineup…

[Bellhorn04]

Wow.

 

Not just a AA lineup, but a Double AA lineup…

 

STORK = Single A Troll.

[moonslav59]

Wow.

 

Not just a AA lineup, but a Double AA lineup…

 

Does that mean they were all AAAA players, or is my math wrong again?

[mvp 78]

Does that mean they were all AAAA players, or is my math wrong again?

 

Nope, that's an A^4 lineup.

 

Texas was running a 2A^2 lineup. Basically, they were combining two AA squads and forming a lineup to defeat the Red Sox.

[moonslav59]

Nope, that's an A^4 lineup.

 

Texas was running a 2A^2 lineup. Basically, they were combining two AA squads and forming a lineup to defeat the Red Sox.

 

I was always pretty good in Math in high school. I prided myself on never needing to take my math book home from school.

 

All this new math is killing me!

[notin]

Does that mean they were all AAAA players, or is my math wrong again?

 

 

It’s wrong. They secretly and illegally used 18 AA players…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

It’s wrong. They secretly and illegally used 18 AA players…

 

... or 6 AAA players...

[mvp 78]

It’s wrong. They secretly and illegally used 18 AA players…

 

Interesting when noting that moon stated Barnes needed to get 6 outs!

[mvp 78]

... or 6 AAA players...

 

Yes, if A = 3.

 

Now, if that's the case, Barnes could have to face 54 A players at some point. Then he'd have to get 18 outs to get through 1 inning.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Yes, if A = 3.

 

Now, if that's the case, Barnes could have to face 54 A players at some point. Then he'd have to get 18 outs to get through 1 inning.

 

Three batters just swung at strike three curves in the dirt and reached when the ball bounced to the backstop; now it's 21.

[MADSTORK]

STORK = Single A Troll.

 

Wash your pink hat my friend then maybe u will see the light

[Bellhorn04]

Dump the troll please.

[redsoxrules]

In 9 outings thing month his ERA is over 16. Based on Cora's post-game it sounds like they might try someone else at closer