Frenchy Sucks Bobby sucks .

[Bellhorn04]

Nobody was thrilled by the Perez signing, either.

 

To be honest, I don't think anyone was thrilled by any of Chaim's moves at the time LOL

[moonslav59]

To be honest, I don't think anyone was thrilled by any of Chaim's moves at the time LOL

 

True nuff.

 

Kike was overpaid.

 

Kluber was better than Richards.

 

Perez had already shown he wasn't even a very good #5.

 

Renfroe, Cordero, Marwin, Sawamura? LOL!

 

 

 

[notin]

To be honest, I don't think anyone was thrilled by any of Chaim's moves at the time LOL

 

A feeling that was greatly exacerbated by the first 3 games of the season...

[mvp 78]

To be honest, I don't think anyone was thrilled by any of Chaim's moves at the time LOL

 

They all felt like mediocre pickups at best. Even podcast guys were like "I guess we have Marwin now." The only real bright spot was taking two guys from the Yankees in the Rule V draft, both of which have played really well this year.

[Hugh2]

The thing is the small moves matter too. You have to put 25 guys on a roster and no one likes the moves that strengthen up the 22nd, 23rd, 24th, and 25th guy but that's just as important. A guy like Bloom is expert level with those types of moves because he comes from a market like Tampa. It will be interesting to see how he can do with that philosophy but the Sox purse, which to be fair we will need a couple of years.

[moonslav59]

They all felt like mediocre pickups at best. Even podcast guys were like "I guess we have Marwin now." The only real bright spot was taking two guys from the Yankees in the Rule V draft, both of which have played really well this year.

 

Last trade deadline, Bloom made some very good moves, but the team was in clear "sell mode."

 

It might not be so clear, this year, but here's a look at Bloom's in season moves, last year:

 

Signed Jack Godley, Jhonny Perada (minor league deal)

Acquired Dylan Covey (TBR)

Waiver pick-ups: Robert Stock (PHI), Andrew Triggs (SFG), Stephen Gonsalves (NYM), Deivy Grullon (PHI)

Trades:

Workman, Hembree & cash for Nick Pivetta & Connor Seabold

Moreland for Jeisson Rosarion & Hudson Potts

Pillar for Jacob Wallace

Osich for Zach Bryant

 

[mvp 78]

Last trade deadline, Bloom made some very good moves, but the team was in clear "sell mode."

 

It might not be so clear, this year, but here's a look at Bloom's in season moves, last year:

 

Signed Jack Godley, Jhonny Perada (minor league deal)

Acquired Dylan Covey (TBR)

Waiver pick-ups: Robert Stock (PHI), Andrew Triggs (SFG), Stephen Gonsalves (NYM), Deivy Grullon (PHI)

Trades:

Workman, Hembree & cash for Nick Pivetta & Connor Seabold

Moreland for Jeisson Rosarion & Hudson Potts

Pillar for Jacob Wallace

Osich for Zach Bryant

 

 

I think we were generally happy with the moves he made prior to November 2020. It's not that this offseason was "bad" just underwhelming.

[moonslav59]

I think we were generally happy with the moves he made prior to November 2020. It's not that this offseason was "bad" just underwhelming.

 

It seemed rather underwhelming at the time, but post-October...

 

The Martin Perez signing with a team option is looking like one of the best steals of the winter.

 

The Richards signing and his health has looked like a good signing, if not great. (He has a team option, too.)

 

The Rule 5 picks have been shockingly great: Whitlock (6th in IP on the team 1.73 ERA), Tyreque Reed (1.135 OPS at Greenville) & Kaleb Ort (0.82 ERA with Worcester as their closer)]

 

Josh Winckowski (Beni trade) has started 5 games at AA (1.33 ERA and 0.889 WHIP)

 

Signed Hunter Renfroe to $3.1M with 1 arb year left.

 

Signed Danny Santana to minor league deal with opt out for majors.

 

Traded for Rolando Hernandez © for Springs & Mazza

 

3 PTBNL for Cordero

 

Ho Hum:

Traded nothing for Adam Ottavino & Frank German plus cash

Signed Kike Hernandez ($7M x 2)

Signed Jack Lopez, Daniel Gossett to minors

Waiver pick up: John Schreiber (minors)

 

Ummm????

Signed Marwin Gonzalez to $3M x 1

Signed Matt Andriese to $1.85M with team option ($250K buyout)

Signed Sawamura to $1.2M x 2 with team option ($600K buyout)

Cordero for Beni & others

 

I'm happy with these moves, and they did nothing to hamper longer term plans.

[Bellhorn04]

I actually liked the Ottavino deal. Creative.

[moonslav59]

I actually liked the Ottavino deal. Creative.

 

I put it under Ho Hum, because it was rather questionable.

 

The money helped the Yanks and kept us from signing 1-2 other FAs.

 

If Frank German works out, it's a good deal.

 

If we make the playoffs in part because Ottavino did well, it's a good deal.

 

[notin]

I think we were generally happy with the moves he made prior to November 2020. It's not that this offseason was "bad" just underwhelming.

 

I didn’t find it underwhelming, but it certainly wasn’t overwhelming. I guess it’s best described as simply “whelming”...

[mvp 78]

Not having a complete OF to field certainly was an eyebrow raiser for me.

[moonslav59]

Not having a complete OF to field certainly was an eyebrow raiser for me.

 

Verdugo, Kike, Renfroe, Cordero and Marwin (JD in a pinch) was supposed to hold us over to Duran and maybe Santana.

 

This was also supposed to be a bridge year.

[mvp 78]

Verdugo, Kike, Renfroe, Cordero and Marwin (JD in a pinch) was supposed to hold us over to Duran and maybe Santana.

 

This was also supposed to be a bridge year.

 

It's more like a UHaul truck trying to drive down Storrow Drive year. Things were going well until all of a sudden...

[Bellhorn04]

It's more like a UHaul truck trying to drive down Storrow Drive year. Things were going well until all of a sudden...

 

The truck hit a little bump, that's all.

[mvp 78]

The truck hit a little bump, that's all.

 

 

"It's just a little stuck. If we gun it, we can get through the rest of the way."

[Hugh2]

Franchy hitting .379/.419/.897 with a 1.316 OPS in AAA.

 

BRING HIM UP!!!!!!

[Bellhorn04]

Franchy hitting .379/.419/.897 with a 1.316 OPS in AAA.

 

BRING HIM UP!!!!!!

 

Singing Frog.

 

Better than sucking there, though.

[Hugh2]

Singing Frog.

 

Better than sucking there, though.

 

Look at the stat line, he's obviously mlb ready

[Bellhorn04]

Look at the stat line, he's obviously mlb ready

 

Oh yes, I get that part.

[Hugh2]

Franchy might not ever be "mlb ready". some guys, sometimes just need time at the MLB level to sink or swim. Hard to live with a black hole in your lineup. I don't think it's a bad thing that Cordero is getting every day at bats, swinging well with confidence at AAA. I suspect he will get another shot at some point this year. It would be awesome to see this kid put it all together.

[moonslav59]

Franchy might not ever be "mlb ready". some guys, sometimes just need time at the MLB level to sink or swim. Hard to live with a black hole in your lineup. I don't think it's a bad thing that Cordero is getting every day at bats, swinging well with confidence at AAA. I suspect he will get another shot at some point this year. It would be awesome to see this kid put it all together.

 

Exactly, and no player should be definitively judged by any 100 PA sample size, especially after a shortened 2020 season.

 

Now, if a player had marginal numbers in the minors and exhibited very few plus skillsets before ever getting a chance in the bigs, then sometimes 100 PAs is the only chance they get, but Cordero had shown the skills earlier and had had some sporadic success in the bigs, already- in some very small sample sizes.

 

The kid deserved a hundred PAs or more.

 

It didn't work out, this time, but it is very likely he'll get another look.

[oldtimer]

Franchy might not ever be "mlb ready". some guys, sometimes just need time at the MLB level to sink or swim. Hard to live with a black hole in your lineup. I don't think it's a bad thing that Cordero is getting every day at bats, swinging well with confidence at AAA. I suspect he will get another shot at some point this year. It would be awesome to see this kid put it all together.

 

Pitching in 2021 generally utilizes a strong starter whose aim is to last twice through the lineup (5 or 6 innings) and then give way to hard throwing relievers to carry through. There seems to a plethora of guys who can reach the mid nineties and get good movement. Small wonder that is increasingly difficult for hitters to succeed. Add to that the shifting and the stats available to identify hitters flaws and it is a wonder when any hitters still put up good numbers. Only the truly gifted guys can do it and it helps to be experienced.

 

Guys like Franchy and Dalbec are up against it and may not ever succeed or perhaps gaining experience will start to contribute. I have been an advocate of trying some of our best and brightest prospects in the hope that one or more of them will demonstrate special abilities. Maybe they come up and struggle as Moncada did, only to develop at a later date. One can only guess. The alternative is to keep playing those who are essentially a black hole. I'm in favor of trying to improve with the main risk of swapping one black hole for another.

[Hugh2]

Pitching in 2021 generally utilizes a strong starter whose aim is to last twice through the lineup (5 or 6 innings) and then give way to hard throwing relievers to carry through. There seems to a plethora of guys who can reach the mid nineties and get good movement. Small wonder that is increasingly difficult for hitters to succeed. Add to that the shifting and the stats available to identify hitters flaws and it is a wonder when any hitters still put up good numbers. Only the truly gifted guys can do it and it helps to be experienced.

 

Guys like Franchy and Dalbec are up against it and may not ever succeed or perhaps gaining experience will start to contribute. I have been an advocate of trying some of our best and brightest prospects in the hope that one or more of them will demonstrate special abilities. Maybe they come up and struggle as Moncada did, only to develop at a later date. One can only guess. The alternative is to keep playing those who are essentially a black hole. I'm in favor of trying to improve with the main risk of swapping one black hole for another.

 

If anything, Franchys success at the AAA level is proof (not that anyone should have needed it) that you don't just scout a Milb stat line and declare a guy ready.

 

There can be many holes in a players game that an organization sees that we do not looking at a box score. But at the same time, sometimes a guy has nothing else to learn except how to adjust to MLB pitching.

[moonslav59]

If anything, Franchys success at the AAA level is proof (not that anyone should have needed it) that you don't just scout a Milb stat line and declare a guy ready.

 

There can be many holes in a players game that an organization sees that we do not looking at a box score. But at the same time, sometimes a guy has nothing else to learn except how to adjust to MLB pitching.

 

BINGO!

 

That is also why we can't just use a player like Duran's even shorter stat line to deem him "ML ready."

 

Again, I'm not saying he's not ML ready or very close to being so. Maybe Sox management would have called him up after the extra team control year deadline passed, just recently, if it weren't for the Olympic trial games. Maybe, not.

[Hugh2]

BINGO!

 

That is also why we can't just use a player like Duran's even shorter stat line to deem him "ML ready."

 

Again, I'm not saying he's not ML ready or very close to being so. Maybe Sox management would have called him up after the extra team control year deadline passed, just recently, if it weren't for the Olympic trial games. Maybe, not.

 

If the Sox thought Duran was ready they would not have let him go to the Olympic trial games. Santana is the guy, and you hope he can at least somewhat replicate his 2019. They didn't sign Santana to sit in Worcester all year, he was always first guy up.

 

I think after Santana Duran starts to get a look, maybe in August. If Santana is performing, or even if the offense picks up in other areas and it's not as much a concern I don't think we see Duran this year. But if Santana starts laying eggs all year then I could see them bring him up even if hes not ready but close to ready. I think the Sox plan on him being close to ready to ready by the end of this year. If they're in a situation where they don't need him he gets his cup of coffee in September.

[moonslav59]

If the Sox thought Duran was ready they would not have let him go to the Olympic trial games. Santana is the guy, and you hope he can at least somewhat replicate his 2019. They didn't sign Santana to sit in Worcester all year, he was always first guy up.

 

I think after Santana Duran starts to get a look, maybe in August. If Santana is performing, or even if the offense picks up in other areas and it's not as much a concern I don't think we see Duran this year. But if Santana starts laying eggs all year then I could see them bring him up even if hes not ready but close to ready. I think the Sox plan on him being close to ready to ready by the end of this year. If they're in a situation where they don't need him he gets his cup of coffee in September.

 

Totally agree.

 

It may not just be about Santana, though. Santana may end up winning the 1B job, if he does well.

 

Kike might end up being needed at 2B more than OF.

 

Renfroe may prove he needs to be platooned, as originally thought when we signed him.

 

Someone might get hurt. With the flexibility Kike, Santana and Marwin bring us, an injury at any position but catcher could open up a slot for Duran.

 

If Duran is ready, and we are still in the race, after the Olympic games, he may get the call, if any of the scenarios I listed come true.

[Larry Cook]

How weird is baseball?

 

Fraunchy gets hot and

 

Winckowski goes cold at Portland!

[moonslav59]

How weird is baseball?

 

Fraunchy gets hot and

 

Winckowski goes cold at Portland!

 

Over the whole season, the opps have a .517 OPS against Winckowski over 32 IP (2.25 ERA).

 

One bad game has not hurt his numbers all that much.

[Larry Cook]

Over the whole season, the opps have a .517 OPS against Winckowski over 32 IP (2.25 ERA).

 

One bad game has not hurt his numbers all that much.

 

I hope it is one bad game where his command was just off and not a sign that his stuff isn’t as robust as people thought!