Trade Time Capsules

[Thunder]

I was watching Padres-Dodgers last night, and as David Price started to cough up some runs and get the Padres started on their comeback, I realized how overall, I am content with the results of that trade. Sure, I would love to still have Mookie, but I am glad Price is LA's problem now, while Dugie is my favorite player on the current Red Sox roster. So, it got me thinking, why not take a look back at some Sox trades in recent history, and assess how they worked out for both teams.

 

Dodgers (2020): Betts and Price for Verdugo

 

As I said above, I'm very content with this deal now. Dodgers still "won" the trade, but not by as much as they originally thought. We have a baller in Dugie.

 

White Sox (2017): Moncada and Kopech for Sale

 

I truly think both sides are winners here. Kopech is blossoming into in ace (look at his numbers from his start yesterday), and Moncada has developed into an everyday 3B with a much lower K rate than when he arrived in the majors with the Sox

 

Brewers (2017): Shaw for Thornburg

 

Um yeah, let's not talk about this one...

 

 

Am I missing anything from these deals? What other trades can we dive into?

[moonslav59]

We won the Betts trade, too.

 

The Shaw trade only looked good for the Brewers for 1.5 years.

 

The Sale trade was great, but behind these...

 

To me, the best 3 Sox trades are:

 

Pedro for Carl Pavano & Tony Armas Jr.

 

The Dodger dump (not the Price one)

 

Derek Lowe & Jason Varitek for Heathcliff Slcobumb,

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Two from 2018: Steve Pearce for Santiago Espinal; Nate Eovaldi for Jalen Beeks.

 

Pearce was MVP of the '18 World Series. Eovaldi was the most valuable pitcher of the entire postseason. The Red Sox probably don't win it all without either.

 

Both deals are still winners for Boston. Espinal is a back-up infielder for Toronto, Beeks a relief pitcher for Tampa.

[moonslav59]

Two from 2018: Steve Pearce for Santiago Espinal; Nate Eovaldi for Jalen Beeks.

 

Pearce was MVP of the '18 World Series. Eovaldi was the most valuable pitcher of the entire postseason. The Red Sox probably don't win it all without either.

 

Both deals are still winners for Boston. Espinal is a back-up infielder for Toronto, Beeks a relief pitcher for Tampa.

 

That 2018 team was so great, we probably could have won without any 1-2 players, but yes, those were great under-the-radar trades.

 

Extending both might have been mistakes.

 

The Schilling trade was also a good one.

 

I loved the Nomar deal. We ended up getting Ellsbury and Lowrie as comp picks for OCab. Later, we got Melancon for Lowrie and Holt for Melancon. We also got Kopech as comp for Ellsbury, and he helped bring us Sale.

[notin]

I wouldn’t call Pearce and Eovaldi “under the radar.” We were all aware, both played big roles in October, and both signed new deals with Boston.

 

The biggest “under the radar” deadline acquisition in Red Sox history is far and away dealing Henri Stanley to the Dodgers for Dave Roberts...

[notin]

Two from 2018: Steve Pearce for Santiago Espinal; Nate Eovaldi for Jalen Beeks.

 

Pearce was MVP of the '18 World Series. Eovaldi was the most valuable pitcher of the entire postseason. The Red Sox probably don't win it all without either.

 

Both deals are still winners for Boston. Espinal is a back-up infielder for Toronto, Beeks a relief pitcher for Tampa.

 

The problem with calling Boston a “winner” in those deals is it implies Toronto and Tampa were losers. Exactly what did either team lose out on considering both Eovaldi and Pearce hit free agency three months after being dealt and both teams still have a Major League ball player on the roster?

[Thunder]

I loved the Nomar deal. We ended up getting Ellsbury and Lowrie as comp picks for OCab. Later, we got Melancon for Lowrie and Holt for Melancon. We also got Kopech as comp for Ellsbury, and he helped bring us Sale.

 

Wow, that is quite the tree of players. I did not know Ellsbury came from that trade. I bet the Yankees wish we never acquired Nomar, for more reasons than one

[Bellhorn04]

I was watching Padres-Dodgers last night, and as David Price started to cough up some runs and get the Padres started on their comeback, I realized how overall, I am content with the results of that trade. Sure, I would love to still have Mookie, but I am glad Price is LA's problem now, while Dugie is my favorite player on the current Red Sox roster. So, it got me thinking, why not take a look back at some Sox trades in recent history, and assess how they worked out for both teams.

 

Dodgers (2020): Betts and Price for Verdugo

 

As I said above, I'm very content with this deal now. Dodgers still "won" the trade, but not by as much as they originally thought. We have a baller in Dugie.

 

White Sox (2017): Moncada and Kopech for Sale

 

I truly think both sides are winners here. Kopech is blossoming into in ace (look at his numbers from his start yesterday), and Moncada has developed into an everyday 3B with a much lower K rate than when he arrived in the majors with the Sox

 

Brewers (2017): Shaw for Thornburg

 

Um yeah, let's not talk about this one...

 

 

Am I missing anything from these deals? What other trades can we dive into?

 

The Kimbrel deal has always been pointed to as a serious overpay in talent by Dave.

 

The X factor in that trade is Logan Allen, who is in the Guardians' rotation this year.

[moonslav59]

I wouldn’t call Pearce and Eovaldi “under the radar.” We were all aware, both played big roles in October, and both signed new deals with Boston.

 

The biggest “under the radar” deadline acquisition in Red Sox history is far and away dealing Henri Stanley to the Dodgers for Dave Roberts...

 

Under the radar in the sense that nobody expected them to lead us to a ring. They were just expected to be role players that maybe helped us fill some holes and get us over the top.

 

Neither had eye-popping numbers coming to Boston, but boy, they put some up, once here.

[notin]

The Kimbrel deal has always been pointed to as a serious overpay in talent by Dave.

 

The X factor in that trade is Logan Allen, who is in the Guardians' rotation this year.

 

And Allen has yet t become anything special, but right now he is better than Josh Taylor.

 

Of course, the trade that got us Taylor could also be viewed as a win, considering we got him for Deven Marrero...

[Thunder]

And Allen has yet t become anything special, but right now he is better than Josh Taylor.

 

Of course, the trade that got us Taylor could also be viewed as a win, considering we got him for Deven Marrero...

 

Not saying much when you look at what Taylor has done, but it sure beats Marrero, who is currently playing for a team called the Mariachis in Mexico

[mvp 78]

Peavy for Montas, Iglesias and prospects

[moonslav59]

And Allen has yet t become anything special, but right now he is better than Josh Taylor.

 

Of course, the trade that got us Taylor could also be viewed as a win, considering we got him for Deven Marrero...

 

The other thing about looking at trades like the Kimbrel one, years later is the fact that it might not really be about comparing how the players did after a trade, but the fact that we might very well likely had traded Margot, Guerra, Asuaje and Allen for someone else or for 2 other guys.

 

It's not that Kimbrel did poorly for us, but at the time of the trade, he was making near FA money. That's the part that rubbed me the wrong way. Why not just sign a closer?

 

(Now, the closer pay went up sharply, immediately after the trade, so that part was not as bad as it first looked.)

 

Margot took a long time to develop into a well-rounded player, but he'd be starting on this team, right now.

[notin]

Peavy for Montas, Iglesias and prospects

 

And one of those prospects we dealt was JB Wendelken, who is still pitching pretty well in the Oakland bullpen...

[mvp 78]

And one of those prospects we dealt was JB Wendelken, who is still pitching pretty well in the Oakland bullpen...

 

Didn't see his name listed originally.

 

TTraded by Chicago White Sox to Boston Red Sox as part of 3-team trade in which Detroit Tigers sent Brayan Villarreal to Boston Red Sox; Boston Red Sox sent Jose Iglesias to Detroit Tigers; Detroit Tigers sent Avisail Garcia to Chicago White Sox; and Boston Red Sox sent Jeffrey Wendelken, Francellis Montas and Cleuluis Rondon to Chicago White Sox (July 30, 2013).

[Thunder]

Peavy for Montas, Iglesias and prospects

 

This is one of the more underrated trades in recent memory IMO

[Bellhorn04]

This is one of the more underrated trades in recent memory IMO

 

Careful, we're going to bring S5 Dewey out of hiding.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The problem with calling Boston a “winner” in those deals is it implies Toronto and Tampa were losers. Exactly what did either team lose out on considering both Eovaldi and Pearce hit free agency three months after being dealt and both teams still have a Major League ball player on the roster?

 

I have no problem whatsoever calling Boston a winner in two trades for players who made huge contributions to winning the World Series. In exchange, the Red Sox gave up a back-up infielder and a relief pitcher.

[moonslav59]

I have no problem whatsoever calling Boston a winner in two trades for players who made huge contributions to winning the World Series. In exchange, the Red Sox gave up a back-up infielder and a relief pitcher.

 

Plus, just because we don't state the other team won, too, doesn't mean it's not so, or that we disagree with that perspective.

[Bellhorn04]

Plus, just because we don't state the other team won, too, doesn't mean it's not so, or that we disagree with that perspective.

 

Sometimes both teams win.

[moonslav59]

Sometimes both teams win.

 

Yess, and it's hard to judge, sometimes, because one team might be on a very restricted budget, so getting someone like Beeks at a fraction of the cost of Eovaldi and with many years of cheap team control in a big win, for them, but maybe wouldn't be for a team like the Sox.

[Thunder]

Manny and minor leaguers (Brandon Moss and Craig Hansen) for Jason Bay

 

 

Not an overly great win for either side, but I'm pleased with what we got out of Bay, especially since the careers of Moss and Hansen never really materialized

[notin]

Plus, just because we don't state the other team won, too, doesn't mean it's not so, or that we disagree with that perspective.

 

Well, the concept of "winning" does go hand in hand with the concept of "losing", usially on the opposite side of the same contest/match/game whatever. Trades are more difficult, because it can work out for both sides but that doesn't necessarily equate to a tie...

[notin]

Manny and minor leaguers (Brandon Moss and Craig Hansen) for Jason Bay

 

 

Not an overly great win for either side, but I'm pleased with what we got out of Bay, especially since the careers of Moss and Hansen never really materialized

 

Moss was an All Star...

[Thunder]

Moss was an All Star...

 

I feel the return we got was still worth it

[SoxHop]

Miller for E-Rod was a good trade for the Sox

[dgalehouse]

Five and a half years after being traded , Logan Allen has an MLB career record of 3 - 6 , with an ERA of 5.64 . Yet we still have folks checking the box scores daily , hoping that he does well so they can post a sarcastic " Thanks , Dave ."

[Bellhorn04]

Well, the concept of "winning" does go hand in hand with the concept of "losing", usially on the opposite side of the same contest/match/game whatever. Trades are more difficult, because it can work out for both sides but that doesn't necessarily equate to a tie...

 

Never heard of a win-win situation?

[Bellhorn04]

Miller for E-Rod was a good trade for the Sox

 

Damn good.

 

Thanks Ben!

[dgalehouse]

The other thing about looking at trades like the Kimbrel one, years later is the fact that it might not really be about comparing how the players did after a trade, but the fact that we might very well likely had traded Margot, Guerra, Asuaje and Allen for someone else or for 2 other guys.

 

It's not that Kimbrel did poorly for us, but at the time of the trade, he was making near FA money. That's the part that rubbed me the wrong way. Why not just sign a closer?

 

(Now, the closer pay went up sharply, immediately after the trade, so that part was not as bad as it first looked.)

 

Margot took a long time to develop into a well-rounded player, but he'd be starting on this team, right now.

 

If I gave you four cans of tomato soup in exchange for your Cadillac, you might say I overpaid because I could have gotten a half decent car for just three cans of soup . But in the end , I got the Cadillac and you got the tomato soup. I think I made out pretty well in the deal.