2021 MLB draft

[Hugh2]

Others said trade Swihart, because we had Vaz. Wish we'd have done that, while his stock was high.

 

Could a should a would a. You could say the same thing about guys like Mookie Betts and Xander Boagerts and they never would have got 1/2 the vale those guys added in the majors.

 

That’s the thing about prospects. You never really know when you’re selling high, you could actually be selling low.

[moonslav59]

Could a should a would a. You could say the same thing about guys like Mookie Betts and Xander Boagerts and they never would have got 1/2 the vale those guys added in the majors.

 

That’s the thing about prospects. You never really know when you’re selling high, you could actually be selling low.

 

I know. I was just jiving you, but I never was all that high on Swihart.

 

(I'm not thrilled with how Vaz handles the pitchers, either, but the coaching and manager can help that out a lot.)

[notin]

Notin’s Mock Draft (Top 4 picks)

 

1. Pitt takes Leiter. Cherington split himself pretty evenly between high school and college players in Boston, but Leiter’s upside, proximity, and being a legacy player makes him the most likely contributor.

2. Texas takes Jordan Lawlor. Plenty of talking heads like him at #1, so I can’t let him slide too far.

3. Detroit takes Henry Davis. The Tigers have a ton of young pitching, no catching, and need the most mature bat in the draft.

4. Boston takes Kumar Rocker. Many have him falling further, but if he gets this far, Bloom jumps at the chance.

 

So there’s your top 4. Book it. Feel free to go fill in names on the Wikipedia page...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Notin’s Mock Draft (Top 4 picks)

 

1. Pitt takes Leiter. Cherington split himself pretty evenly between high school and college players in Boston, but Leiter’s upside, proximity, and being a legacy player makes him the most likely contributor.

2. Texas takes Jordan Lawlor. Plenty of talking heads like him at #1, so I can’t let him slide too far.

3. Detroit takes Henry Davis. The Tigers have a ton of young pitching, no catching, and need the most mature bat in the draft.

4. Boston takes Kumar Rocker. Many have him falling further, but if he gets this far, Bloom jumps at the chance.

 

So there’s your top 4. Book it. Feel free to go fill in names on the Wikipedia page...

 

Does your post title mean you're mocking an order like this?

 

I like the Rocker selection, but don't think Bloom will pass on Mayer if he's available... especially since some believe he'll sign under slot (which is prob why Pitt takes him): https://rumbunter.com/2021/06/09/pittsburgh-pirates-marcelo-mayer-likely-go-first-overall/

[notin]

Does your post title mean you're mocking an order like this?

 

I like the Rocker selection, but don't think Bloom will pass on Mayer if he's available... especially since some believe he'll sign under slot (which is prob why Pitt takes him): https://rumbunter.com/2021/06/09/pittsburgh-pirates-marcelo-mayer-likely-go-first-overall/

 

I’m predicting it, but if Mayer is going under slot that could change a lot of things...

[mvp 78]

If Leiter is available at 4, I can't see the Sox passing on him.

[notin]

If Leiter is available at 4, I can't see the Sox passing on him.

 

I astill think he goes #1, although this Marcelo Mayer thing does make a lot of sense for a budget-conscious team like Pitt.

 

If Pitt takes Mayer, then Leiter will go to Texas at #2. Then Detroit might still make still make a surprise pick on Davis, but they probably take Lawlor instead. But I like Davis for Detroit, as he can get to the majors faster and be there for all there up and coming young pitchers like Mize, Manning and Skubal.

 

So if Lawlor and Rocker both fall to Boston, then who should they take?

[moonslav59]

If Leiter is available at 4, I can't see the Sox passing on him.

 

I don't see him making it to 4, but I'd be dumbfounded, if we pass on him.

[moonslav59]

I astill think he goes #1, although this Marcelo Mayer thing does make a lot of sense for a budget-conscious team like Pitt.

 

If Pitt takes Mayer, then Leiter will go to Texas at #2. Then Detroit might still make still make a surprise pick on Davis, but they probably take Lawlor instead. But I like Davis for Detroit, as he can get to the majors faster and be there for all there up and coming young pitchers like Mize, Manning and Skubal.

 

So if Lawlor and Rocker both fall to Boston, then who should they take?

 

I'm no draft expert, but I say college: Rocker.

 

I'm now hoping we get Leiter or Davis.

 

(That wish might change in the next hour.)

[notin]

I'm no draft expert, but I say college: Rocker.

 

I'm now hoping we get Leiter or Davis.

 

(That wish might change in the next hour.)

 

I am stuck on this Davis-Detroit thing. The Tigers have been loading up on pitchers the last few drafts and have no real hitters. That he is a catcher could just fast track him to MLB on that team. It's rare to see such a perfect fit in the MLB draft, which is why it will never happen. But I am sticking to my guns here.

 

I would lvoe to see the Sox take Rocker, but I get not taking a pitcher so high. It has not worked out for the Sox in recent years. Ball, Groome...

[moonslav59]

I am stuck on this Davis-Detroit thing. The Tigers have been loading up on pitchers the last few drafts and have no real hitters. That he is a catcher could just fast track him to MLB on that team. It's rare to see such a perfect fit in the MLB draft, which is why it will never happen. But I am sticking to my guns here.

 

I would lvoe to see the Sox take Rocker, but I get not taking a pitcher so high. It has not worked out for the Sox in recent years. Ball, Groome...

 

Weren't you a strong advocate on not drafting by need or what positions you already have well-stocked in your system?

[Hugh2]

Honestly, I’d be with any of the Lawlar, Mayer, House, Davis, Rocker, Leiter pool.

 

I think I’m starting to like Jobe a lot too. Higher risk as a high school arm, but he could end up better than Leiter/Rocker.

[mvp 78]

I astill think he goes #1, although this Marcelo Mayer thing does make a lot of sense for a budget-conscious team like Pitt.

 

If Pitt takes Mayer, then Leiter will go to Texas at #2. Then Detroit might still make still make a surprise pick on Davis, but they probably take Lawlor instead. But I like Davis for Detroit, as he can get to the majors faster and be there for all there up and coming young pitchers like Mize, Manning and Skubal.

 

So if Lawlor and Rocker both fall to Boston, then who should they take?

 

I'd take Rocker, but if Bloom prefers Lawlar I would understand.

[notin]

Weren't you a strong advocate on not drafting by need or what positions you already have well-stocked in your system?

 

I am, but I am operating on the premise that Al Avila isn’t.

 

And while Davis at 3 might be considered a reach by some, it really isn’t one. If Detroit does want him, it will be their only chance to take him...

[moonslav59]

I am, but I am operating on the premise that Al Avila isn’t.

 

And while Davis at 3 might be considered a reach by some, it really isn’t one. If Detroit does want him, it will be their only chance to take him...

 

I get that, but it's not like they don't want Leiter, either.

 

I doubt any GM uses positional needs as a big factor in determining who they take.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I get that, but it's not like they don't want Leiter, either.

 

I doubt any GM uses positional needs as a big factor in determining who they take.

 

Respectfully, I doubt many GMs don't consider organizational needs in the draft. I know a lot of people here and in front offices think it's logical to rank hundreds of players in a certain order, and then automatically pick whatever highest number is remaining when it's their turn... but not every human being has the same logic. They don't all go to the same school of analytics, and are not always under the same pressures, depending on city and owners. They're not all conservatives or gamblers or go by the same "unwritten" book.

 

For all we know, some club's pre-draft rankings of the top 100 players may very well take into consideration franchise needs that involve a number of different factors beyond position, such as signability, MLB ETA, personality/potential fan appeal, home park projections, etc, etc. Bloom constantly advocates considering all angles, and as Sox fans already know, is exhaustive in his preparation before making decisions. He also thinks outside the box like no other, ie. making Nick Yorke a first-rounder in 2020.

 

Maybe we should prepare to be surprised so we're not too surprised.

[moonslav59]

Respectfully, I doubt many GMs don't consider organizational needs in the draft. I know a lot of people here and in front offices think it's logical to rank hundreds of players in a certain order, and then automatically pick whatever highest number is remaining when it's their turn... but not every human being has the same logic. They don't all go to the same school of analytics, and are not always under the same pressures, depending on city and owners. They're not all conservatives or gamblers or go by the same "unwritten" book.

 

For all we know, some club's pre-draft rankings of the top 100 players may very well take into consideration franchise needs that involve a number of different factors beyond position, such as signability, MLB ETA, personality/potential fan appeal, home park projections, etc, etc. Bloom constantly advocates considering all angles, and as Sox fans already know, is exhaustive in his preparation before making decisions. He also thinks outside the box like no other, ie. making Nick Yorke a first-rounder in 2020.

 

Maybe we should prepare to be surprised so we're not too surprised.

 

I was thinking top few picks, but I did not say that.

 

Yes, towards the lower picks, things even out more, and needs play a role.

[Hugh2]

This is obviously conjecture but I’m thoroughly convinced the Sox top 4 is some combination of Davis/Leiter/Mayer/Lawlar. I think the pick is someone from that list.

[Hugh2]

And the more I think about it the more I like Davis.

[moonslav59]

This is obviously conjecture but I’m thoroughly convinced the Sox top 4 is some combination of Davis/Leiter/Mayer/Lawlar. I think the pick is someone from that list.

 

I think so, too.

 

I'm hoping for Leiter or Davis, but would be happy with any of these 4 or Rocker.

[Hugh2]

Thought it would be productive to steer the draft talk over here. Found this mock top ten from a year ago. Obviously outdated, but interested to see who’s in and who’s out.

 

 

 

 

1. Kumar Rocker, RHP, Vanderbilt

2. Brady House, 3B, Winder Barrow HS (GA)

3. Jack Leiter, RHP, Vanderbilt,

4. Jaden Hill, RHP, LSU

5. Jud Fabian, CF, Florida,

6. Jordan Lawlar, SS, Jesuit Prep HS (TX)

7. Luke Leto, SS, Portage Central HS (MI)

8. Alex Binelas, 3B, Louisville

9. Adrian Del Castillo, C, Miami

10. Ethan Wilson, LF, South Alabama

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Thought it would be productive to steer the draft talk over here. Found this mock top ten from a year ago. Obviously outdated, but interested to see who’s in and who’s out.

 

 

 

 

1. Kumar Rocker, RHP, Vanderbilt

2. Brady House, 3B, Winder Barrow HS (GA)

3. Jack Leiter, RHP, Vanderbilt,

4. Jaden Hill, RHP, LSU

5. Jud Fabian, CF, Florida,

6. Jordan Lawlar, SS, Jesuit Prep HS (TX)

7. Luke Leto, SS, Portage Central HS (MI)

8. Alex Binelas, 3B, Louisville

9. Adrian Del Castillo, C, Miami

10. Ethan Wilson, LF, South Alabama

 

Fair enough. I still like college guys like Hill, Fabian and Del Castillo as possible second-rounders. Interesting House listed at 3B, now SS. For some reason I'm skeptical about this year's first-round high school shortstops (prob due to the missing Covid year).

 

Even/if, in over 50 years, there have really only been five Hall of Fame first round infielders: Yount, Molitor, Larkin, Jones, Jeter.

[Hugh2]

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2021-mlb-mock-draft-one-month-to-go/

 

New Mock out, has all three top HS SS going 1-2-3.

 

1. Mayer

2. Lawlar

3. House

4. Leiter.

 

Click on the link and read, the rumor is Leiter is trying to price himself down to Boston and the feeling is mutual.

[mvp 78]

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2021-mlb-mock-draft-one-month-to-go/

 

New Mock out, has all three top HS SS going 1-2-3.

 

1. Mayer

2. Lawlar

3. House

4. Leiter.

 

Click on the link and read, the rumor is Leiter is trying to price himself down to Boston and the feeling is mutual.

 

I'm going to try to not get my hopes up. However, any guy that they grab at 4 is going to be really good.

[moonslav59]

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2021-mlb-mock-draft-one-month-to-go/

 

New Mock out, has all three top HS SS going 1-2-3.

 

1. Mayer

2. Lawlar

3. House

4. Leiter.

 

Click on the link and read, the rumor is Leiter is trying to price himself down to Boston and the feeling is mutual.

 

Dreamy!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2021-mlb-mock-draft-one-month-to-go/

 

New Mock out, has all three top HS SS going 1-2-3.

 

1. Mayer

2. Lawlar

3. House

4. Leiter.

 

Click on the link and read, the rumor is Leiter is trying to price himself down to Boston and the feeling is mutual.

 

I sincerely hope "down" means up, in that his demands may be unaffordable for teams with the top three picks. I certainly hope "down" doesn't imply some kind of cost-consciousness in Boston.

[Hugh2]

I sincerely hope "down" means up, in that his demands may be unaffordable for teams with the top three picks. I certainly hope "down" doesn't imply some kind of cost-consciousness in Boston.

 

KG: Word is Leiter is trying to price himself down to Boston and wants to land there. Word is that Boston would love that as well. Thus, a match made in heaven.

 

EL: Yup.

[notin]

Sticking to my guns with

 

1. Leiter

2. Lawler

3. Davis

4. Rocker

[notin]

But as the word is out about Mayer’s willingness to sign for underslot, he does make a ton of sense as the first pick…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

But as the word is out about Mayer’s willingness to sign for underslot, he does make a ton of sense as the first pick…

 

Especially in Picksburg...