A Realistic View at 2021: Part II

[notin]

Ockimey is only ahead of Casas if they needs someone immediately.

 

 

Not sure he is even then.

 

If the Sox need a 1b immedaitely, like Dalbec just retires tomorrow to dedicate his life to saving baby eels (he doesn't hear the letter "s" very well), the Sox still won't call up Ockimey. Not even on a dare. Not even if Chavis also retires to become a fireman's dalmatian trainer. And if all 3 super utility guys move to Australia to hunt Australians. Even then, no Ockimey. Even then, they still call up Yairo Munoz first...

[Nick]

Not sure he is even then.

 

If the Sox need a 1b immedaitely, like Dalbec just retires tomorrow to dedicate his life to saving baby eels (he doesn't hear the letter "s" very well), the Sox still won't call up Ockimey. Not even on a dare. Not even if Chavis also retires to become a fireman's dalmatian trainer. And if all 3 super utility guys move to Australia to hunt Australians. Even then, no Ockimey. Even then, they still call up Yairo Munoz first...

 

Where can I donate to save baby eels? Doing my part to keep Dalbec playing baseball.

[notin]

Where can I donate to save baby eels? Doing my part to keep Dalbec playing baseball.

 

Just send your check or money order to notin@talksox.com. I'll forward it to the proper personnel...

[mvp 78]

Because Casas is NOT ML ready.

 

He may be more MLB ready than Ockimey though. If they promoted Ockimey it's just to have him fed to the fire.

[mvp 78]

Just send your check or money order to notin@talksox.com. I'll forward it to the proper personnel...

 

Did you get my venmo?

[mvp 78]

Not sure he is even then.

 

If the Sox need a 1b immedaitely, like Dalbec just retires tomorrow to dedicate his life to saving baby eels (he doesn't hear the letter "s" very well), the Sox still won't call up Ockimey. Not even on a dare. Not even if Chavis also retires to become a fireman's dalmatian trainer. And if all 3 super utility guys move to Australia to hunt Australians. Even then, no Ockimey. Even then, they still call up Yairo Munoz first...

 

I disagree about Munoz. He's been playing terribly in AAA this year.

[notin]

Did you get my venmo?

 

Yes. Judging by your contribution, you do not care about baby eels.

[notin]

I disagree about Munoz. He's been playing terribly in AAA this year.

 

So has Ockimey. But at least Munoz has a mild track record in MLB...

[Bellhorn04]

I'm with you on this.....it's just simple math. Dalbec is hitting about .300 vs left handed pitching. I believe Santana can play 1B and he's a switch hitter. At some point, I'm very willing to move away from 'player development' to team first for this team. Dalbec hitting vs righty issue can be addressed at another time. I think he has all of June to figure this out before he's platooned.

 

It's incredible to me both Dalbec and Chavis struggle (Cordero also) with pitch recognition. I'd like to see Dalbec become more aggressive with first pitch. All three of these guys seem dead in water with 2 strikes, pitchers can expand the strike zone knowing they'll chase it. Not sure how to develop pitch 'recognition'.

 

It's one thing to show Chavis what the high fastball outside the zone looks like with a replay, I think what's needed is a video of those pitches from his perspective, ie have him wear a camera looking at the pitchers. Maybe this can be done during special batting practice. Have someone throw nothing but boarderline high strikes zone pitches. Just a thought.

 

Hitting major league pitching is really hard, and it's only getting harder.

 

I think one of the Jays announcers said there are now over 100 MLB pitchers averaging 96 and up on their fastball.

[moonslav59]

Not sure he is even then.

 

If the Sox need a 1b immedaitely, like Dalbec just retires tomorrow to dedicate his life to saving baby eels (he doesn't hear the letter "s" very well), the Sox still won't call up Ockimey. Not even on a dare. Not even if Chavis also retires to become a fireman's dalmatian trainer. And if all 3 super utility guys move to Australia to hunt Australians. Even then, no Ockimey. Even then, they still call up Yairo Munoz first...

 

Ockimey is ahead of Casas, right now. He may be behind others, including Munoz, but he is ahead of Casas, today- even without the Olympics.

[moonslav59]

He may be more MLB ready than Ockimey though. If they promoted Ockimey it's just to have him fed to the fire.

 

Ockimey kills righties.

 

Wow, that happens to be the platoon we need for Dalbec,

[Hugh2]

Ockimey kills righties.

 

Wow, that happens to be the platoon we need for Dalbec,

 

7 At bats is a pretty small sample size this year. If you look at his career Milb spits the best he's ever done VS. LHP was a .786 OPS back in 2017 in Salem. Also, his defense is 1B only, and he's not really even that great at 1B. I think Ockimey is more of an emergency depth option at this point. If the Sox were looking at needing Ockimey to stay up in the bigs, they'd likely make a move and sign someone else.

 

I also think Casas would pass Ockimey on the depth chart very soon, some time this year.

[moonslav59]

7 At bats is a pretty small sample size this year. If you look at his career Milb spits the best he's ever done VS. LHP was a .786 OPS back in 2017 in Salem. Also, his defense is 1B only, and he's not really even that great at 1B. I think Ockimey is more of an emergency depth option at this point. If the Sox were looking at needing Ockimey to stay up in the bigs, they'd likely make a move and sign someone else.

 

I also think Casas would pass Ockimey on the depth chart very soon, some time this year.

 

I didn't even look at Ockimey's small 2021 sample size, and the split to look at is vs RHPs- not LHPs.

 

Dalbec struggles vs RHP.

 

Okimey kills RHPs and always has at least done well.

 

.898 in 287 ABs (not PAs) in 2019 AAA

 

.968 in 205 ABs in 2018 A & AA

 

.844 in 241 ABs in 2017 A+

 

.831 in 334 in 2016 A

 

.825 in 153 in 2015 A-

 

Dalbec in the minors vs RHPs:

 

.794 in 2019 (260 ABs at AA)

 

.970 in 2018 (247 A + AA)

 

.753 in 2017 (17 at A)

 

I also think Casas will pass Ockimey, this year, but he hasn't, yet and may not.

 

He's also playing in the Olympics, so Ockimey is a head of him at this moment..

[mvp 78]

7 At bats is a pretty small sample size this year. If you look at his career Milb spits the best he's ever done VS. LHP was a .786 OPS back in 2017 in Salem. Also, his defense is 1B only, and he's not really even that great at 1B. I think Ockimey is more of an emergency depth option at this point. If the Sox were looking at needing Ockimey to stay up in the bigs, they'd likely make a move and sign someone else.

 

I also think Casas would pass Ockimey on the depth chart very soon, some time this year.

Agree. That's why I said he'd be brought up only if there was an immediate need. He's far from knocking the door down.

[moonslav59]

Agree. That's why I said he'd be brought up only if there was an immediate need. He's far from knocking the door down.

 

We have an immediate need for a platoon at 1B, but Santana & Marwin are already on the ML roster.

 

Marwin is hitting very poorly and has been all year. He may end up below Cordero, at this rate.

 

I've been Santana's number one cheerleader, but I know this could all be a house of cards for him. Then again, maybe he gives us a 2018-like season, and we are all clamoring for him to be re-signed.

 

I'd give Chavis a shot before Ockimey, despite the wrong splits- actually, Chavis has hit RHPs(.730) slightly better than LHPs (.728) in limited ML action.

 

Chances are Ockimey never plays for the big team. I get that.

 

One reason I hype him so much was that he was my "sleeper prospect" years ago. I'm being selfish.

[Nick]

We have an immediate need for a platoon at 1B, but Santana & Marwin are already on the ML roster.

 

Marwin is hitting very poorly and has been all year. He may end up below Cordero, at this rate.

 

I've been Santana's number one cheerleader, but I know this could all be a house of cards for him. Then again, maybe he gives us a 2018-like season, and we are all clamoring for him to be re-signed.

 

I'd give Chavis a shot before Ockimey, despite the wrong splits- actually, Chavis has hit RHPs(.730) slightly better than LHPs (.728) in limited ML action.

 

Chances are Ockimey never plays for the big team. I get that.

 

One reason I hype him so much was that he was my "sleeper prospect" years ago. I'm being selfish.

 

I'm just not willingly to dismiss any players right now. Looks like Oakimey has proven track record hitting versus right handed pitchers. Assuming he's on our 40 man roster, why the hell not?

Look under every rock to find a gem. Sometimes you're surprised. Maybe we should have signed someone like Moreland, a left handed hitter costing $2M or less.

 

I think we have 4 hitters struggling year to date, Codero, Dalbec, Marwin and Renfroe. I'm not really wowed by Arroyo's bat. They all have reason for being on the roster. Do we do something when our 2-6 hitters drop off? Not saying they will. They are carrying the offense.

Edited May 27, 2021 by Nick

[moonslav59]

I'm just not willingly to dismiss any players right now. Looks like Oakimey has proven track record hitting versus right handed pitchers. Assuming he's on our 40 man roster, why the hell not?

Look under every rock to find a gem. Sometimes you're surprised. Maybe we should have signed someone like Moreland, a left handed hitter costing $2M or less.

 

I think we have 4 hitters struggling year to date, Codero, Dalbec, Marwin and Renfroe. I'm not really wowed by Arroyo's bat. They all have reason for being on the roster. Do we do something when our 2-6 hitters drop off? Not saying they will. They are carrying the offense.

 

Neither Casas nor Ockimey are on the 40 man roster.

 

I seriosly doubt Ockimey is added. My only point was he's a head of casas, right now, even without the Olympics which surely puts him ahead.

 

Santana, Marwin and then Chavis are next in line- perhaps in that order.

 

If we decide to add someone to the 40 to platoon at 1B, who knows when and who it might be: Ockimey, Munoz or Casas.

 

A September call up might be their best hope.

 

Casas will be rule 5 in December, so adding him, late in the year might make him jump over others, assuming all are doing well vs RHPs.

 

[mvp 78]

@redsoxstats

Brewer and Brandon Brennan are the current 40-man options to be recalled, with Brennan's stuff seemingly much better. Could also see a 40-man roster move for Kevin McCarthy or Kaleb Ort, both have been good. Orrrr maybe it's something completely different, we shall see.

[moonslav59]

@redsoxstats

Brewer and Brandon Brennan are the current 40-man options to be recalled, with Brennan's stuff seemingly much better. Could also see a 40-man roster move for Kevin McCarthy or Kaleb Ort, both have been good. Orrrr maybe it's something completely different, we shall see.

 

How long is Bazardo out for?

[Hugh2]

That's the thing, Ockimey is not on the 40 man roster. And if I'm losing a player to make room for someone, it's going to someone like Duran later this year. I'd honestly rather let it ride with Dalbec and let him give him some more time because I'd want to platoon him at 1B.

 

There's going to be a 40 man crunch at some point, some of this stuff works itself out with injuries but I suspect some deadline moves will be made as well.

[mvp 78]

How long is Bazardo out for?

 

This is in regards to Cordero demotion to AAA.

 

Unsure about Bazardo. He has not been as advertised this year.

[mvp 78]

That's the thing, Ockimey is not on the 40 man roster. And if I'm losing a player to make room for someone, it's going to someone like Duran later this year. I'd honestly rather let it ride with Dalbec and let him give him some more time because I'd want to platoon him at 1B.

 

There's going to be a 40 man crunch at some point, some of this stuff works itself out with injuries but I suspect some deadline moves will be made as well.

 

There's no 40 man crunch. There are a ton of guys they could dump without issue.

[mvp 78]

Also, they could place Hudson Potts on 60 Day IL because they are probably not worried about his service time. That would free up a roster spot. You wouldn't want to do that with Mata as he is a much higher profile prospect.

 

I do wonder how long they'll hold onto Jay Groome.

[Nick]

Also, they could place Hudson Potts on 60 Day IL because they are probably not worried about his service time. That would free up a roster spot. You wouldn't want to do that with Mata as he is a much higher profile prospect.

 

I do wonder how long they'll hold onto Jay Groome.

 

Not advocating mind you, but if you are playing the percentages, you probably come out ahead by trading away high draft picks before they fail. We can't get much for Groome right now but maybe we could have in the year he was drafted. I'm advocating trading Groome his first year for say 3-1 deal with younger players coming back, not a veteran. Expand the chances of success. Trey Ball, who?

[Hugh2]

There's no 40 man crunch. There are a ton of guys they could dump without issue.

 

Never underestimate how horrible the bottom of other teams' 40 man rosters are. I wouldn't lose any sleep if we lost Franchy for example, but he'd get scooped up somewhere. I still think he has a better chance at a productive MLB career than Ockimey does.

 

But, lets be honest, if enough guys went down in enough time to where the Sox actually had to call a guy like Ockimey up, they've conceivably moved guys from the 40 man to the DL, so there is no issue. But, I still wouldn't want Ockimey replacing anyone on this 40 man now.

[mvp 78]

@DevJake

My guess is that they DFA someone and call up Kaleb Ort.

 

I'm pulling for Ort, but I don't see it yet.

[mvp 78]

Never underestimate how horrible the bottom of other teams' 40 man rosters are. I wouldn't lose any sleep if we lost Franchy for example, but he'd get scooped up somewhere. I still think he has a better chance at a productive MLB career than Ockimey does.

 

But, lets be honest, if enough guys went down in enough time to where the Sox actually had to call a guy like Ockimey up, they've conceivably moved guys from the 40 man to the DL, so there is no issue. But, I still wouldn't want Ockimey replacing anyone on this 40 man now.

 

We heard so much about how they won't move Brice because he didn't have options. Every other team passed on him once waived...

[Hugh2]

Not advocating mind you, but if you are playing the percentages, you probably come out ahead by trading away high draft picks before they fail. We can't get much for Groome right now but maybe we could have in the year he was drafted. I'm advocating trading Groome his first year for say 3-1 deal with younger players coming back, not a veteran. Expand the chances of success. Trey Ball, who?

 

I don't think guys like Groome and Ball have a ton of value right after they're drafted. A bird in hand is worth two in the bush. If those guys were good enough to get an elite return early in their careers they would have been #1 picks, guys like Harper.

 

I'd also rather trade 3 lesser prospects for 1 higher ceiling guy any day.

[Nick]

Baseball has always been intriguing from numbers sense.

 

We know how Bloom will run this organization.

 

I always come up with STUPID ideas. My latest.....

 

Can you put a major league team without a minor league affiliates if the league rules permit? My idea is you have 40 man roster and say maybe have a team in the independent league or beg minor league teams to borrow your players for a fee.

 

You build a 26 man roster strictly through free agency. Can you save any money by limiting personnel side? As an example you have no need for scouts other than ones that scout major league talent. Are there enough savings to have a major league budget of say $250M? You draft players and give them $10K bonus and then trade them for a veteran. $8M per player for 26 players works out to $208M.

 

You're GM and basically you scour available talent in major leagues. Sign free agents and acquire players via trades. Anyone have any idea how much it costs a major league team to scout and operate minor league affiliates? (I'm assuming it's just payroll, everything else is paid by the minor league team).

[Nick]

@DevJake

My guess is that they DFA someone and call up Kaleb Ort.

 

I'm pulling for Ort, but I don't see it yet.

 

I'm with you on him....I've read some good stuff on him. Another Yankee.....