Beni traded to Royals

[Old Red]

With Verdugo, Kike and Renfroe, where were you going to play Beni last year?

 

But what about a couple million dollars? At any rate if Beni was kept there would have been no Renfroe.

[Bellhorn04]

They sold low. That’s the point. Very low.

 

It looks that way now. But last year he sucked up until September (his OPS was .699 on Sept. 7.)

[Bellhorn04]

But what about a couple million dollars? At any rate if Beni was kept there would have been no Renfroe.

 

That's the whole point of my question, yes. Renfroe was as good as Beni or better last year, so we didn't miss Beni.

[moonslav59]

It looks that way now. But last year he sucked up until September (his OPS was .699 on Sept. 7.)

 

So, he's basically had 2 straight months of good hitting (Sept '21 and April '22), and that's enough to cry about?

 

Renfroe did as well as Beni, last year. This is Beni's last year of control.

 

Only Winckowski has shown any promise, so far, but the other prospects were far-away to begin with.

 

I'd take Renfroe & Winckoswki for Beni, even now.

 

True, counting Renfroe as part of the deal is pushing the envelope, but it was obvious getting Renfroe was done to replace Beni.

[Old Red]

That's the whole point of my question, yes. Renfroe was as good as Beni or better last year, so we didn't miss Beni.

 

I agree with you, but my point all along is that the Red Sox should never be worried about a couple million dollars.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I agree with you, but my point all along is that the Red Sox should never be worried about a couple million dollars.

 

I agree a hundred percent, and felt this way ever since it was mentioned as the reason for the trade. It never made sense for the amount the Big Market Sox saved, and I never believed the popular narrative here that it was because Renfroe was on their radar. Bloom was already letting Bradley walk, and needed outfielders, period. Remember, Kike's main position, according to Cora, was second base.

[moonslav59]

I agree a hundred percent, and felt this way ever since it was mentioned as the reason for the trade. It never made sense for the amount the Big Market Sox saved, and I never believed the popular narrative here that it was because Renfroe was on their radar. Bloom was already letting Bradley walk, and needed outfielders, period. Remember, Kike's main position, according to Cora, was second base.

 

We can all wish as much as we want that $3M should not matter, but when a reset priority is in place, and maybe even when it is not, it has and does matter- like it or not.

 

I also think a high priority was rebuilding farm depth.

 

To me, even if Winckowski and all the other prospects we got for Beni never amount to squat, I don't see this trade as one to cry about.

 

The goal, that winter was to stay under the tax line and rebuild the farm. The plan was to replace Beni with Renfroe and Cordero and hopefully get something from a prospect or two down the road.

 

2 hot months from beni should not change the balance all that much, and the jury is still out on our return values.

[Old Red]

We can all wish as much as we want that $3M should not matter, but when a reset priority is in place, and maybe even when it is not, it has and does matter- like it or not.

 

I also think a high priority was rebuilding farm depth.

 

To me, even if Winckowski and all the other prospects we got for Beni never amount to squat, I don't see this trade as one to cry about.

 

The goal, that winter was to stay under the tax line and rebuild the farm. The plan was to replace Beni with Renfroe and Cordero and hopefully get something from a prospect or two down the road.

 

2 hot months from beni should not change the balance all that much, and the jury is still out on our return values.

 

Once again reset priority are your words, and you have no clue.

[mvp 78]

Good news is that they can just sign Benintendi this offseason if they really want him back.

[Old Red]

Good news is that they can just sign Benintendi this offseason if they really want him back.

 

I would say to much money, but then again they took JBJ back for to much money on a contract that they never would have given him in the first place. It used to be that the Red Sox had no problem producing good OF, and it wasn’t to long ago they had a home grown OF, which was pretty good, but it seems at the moment the OF cupboard is pretty bare.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

 

The goal, that winter was to stay under the tax line and rebuild the farm. The plan was to replace Beni with Renfroe and Cordero and hopefully get something from a prospect or two down the road.

 

 

The Red Sox celebrated the reset, and Bloom has consistently said he's into farming. But no one in the org has ever publicly stated "the plan was to replace Beni with Renfroe..." They don't even play the same position. If it was all part of some master outfield plan, maybe Kike was signed to replace Beni, and Renfroe to replace JBJ. But that was never stated, either.

[notin]

Good news is that they can just sign Benintendi this offseason if they really want him back.

 

I had very high hopes for Benintendi after 2018, but really, outside of that one year he’s been a sub-800 OPS corner outfielder. He’s not a bad player, but he’s really not someone I miss and three hot weeks this year don’t necessarily change anything.

 

We have other outfielders we can try…

[notin]

Good news is that they can just sign Benintendi this offseason if they really want him back.

 

I had very high hopes for Benintendi after 2018, but really, outside of that one year he’s been a sub-800 OPS corner outfielder. He’s not a bad player, but he’s really not someone I miss and three hot weeks this year don’t necessarily change anything.

 

We have other outfielders we can try…

[moonslav59]

The Red Sox celebrated the reset, and Bloom has consistently said he's into farming. But no one in the org has ever publicly stated "the plan was to replace Beni with Renfroe..." They don't even play the same position. If it was all part of some master outfield plan, maybe Kike was signed to replace Beni, and Renfroe to replace JBJ. But that was never stated, either.

 

So, they have to state it to be true?

 

We signed Renfroe months before the Beni trade and had Verdugo, already. Ceratinly having Renfroe made trading Beni easier, despite them playing Renfroe in RF and Verduog in LF. The fact that they played different corner OF positions does not change the fact that having Renfroe factored into the Beni deal.

 

I think the original plan was to have Kike at 2B, and playing CF was the back up plan for him. The OF was supposed to be some mix of Cordero/Marwin (LF?), Verdugo/Kike (CF?) and Renfroe (RF). I think that's how they started the 2021 season.

 

Yes, one could argue Cordero/Marwin replaced Beni and Renfroe replaced JBJ, indirectly. Either way, having Renfroe made trading Beni more reasonable.

[Old Red]

I had very high hopes for Benintendi after 2018, but really, outside of that one year he’s been a sub-800 OPS corner outfielder. He’s not a bad player, but he’s really not someone I miss and three hot weeks this year don’t necessarily change anything.

 

We have other outfielders we can try…

 

Outside of Duran who?

[mvp 78]

I would say to much money, but then again they took JBJ back for to much money on a contract that they never would have given him in the first place. It used to be that the Red Sox had no problem producing good OF, and it wasn’t to long ago they had a home grown OF, which was pretty good, but it seems at the moment the OF cupboard is pretty bare.

 

It'd look better if Duran was ready. The guys behind him (Bleis, Rafaela, Jimenez) are still a long ways away.

[moonslav59]

It'd look better if Duran was ready. The guys behind him (Bleis, Rafaela, Jimenez) are still a long ways away.

 

Fitzy can play OF.

[notin]

Outside of Duran who?

 

How many other options do we need?

[notin]

It'd look better if Duran was ready. The guys behind him (Bleis, Rafaela, Jimenez) are still a long ways away.

 

I am ok giving Duran another chance.

 

He’s already on the 40 man and he’s getting older…

[moonslav59]

I am ok giving Duran another chance.

 

He’s already on the 40 man and he’s getting older…

 

Agreed, but don't bring him up to sit on the bench.

 

The ideal situation would be to platoon JBJ and someone else, so Duran can play, but they're all lefties, except Kike, and I'm a long way from advocating platooning him.

 

It looks like Franchy might be securing a platoon with Dalbec, and Cordero can be used in the OF, too.

[Old Red]

How many other options do we need?

 

Kike certainly hasn’t secured a starting position to me, so I would say 2 options are better than 1.

[notin]

Agreed, but don't bring him up to sit on the bench.

 

The ideal situation would be to platoon JBJ and someone else, so Duran can play, but they're all lefties, except Kike, and I'm a long way from advocating platooning him.

 

It looks like Franchy might be securing a platoon with Dalbec, and Cordero can be used in the OF, too.

 

 

As much as I like Bradley, I could understand benching him to give Duran a shot…

[Old Red]

Agreed, but don't bring him up to sit on the bench.

 

The ideal situation would be to platoon JBJ and someone else, so Duran can play, but they're all lefties, except Kike, and I'm a long way from advocating platooning him.

 

It looks like Franchy might be securing a platoon with Dalbec, and Cordero can be used in the OF, too.

 

Franchy is no 1B just because he is playing there. He dropped an easy throw, and doesn’t look good going after balls in the dirt. If anything put him out in the OF where he belongs.

[moonslav59]

As much as I like Bradley, I could understand benching him to give Duran a shot…

 

He'd probably still play in a defensive replacement roll, but yes, he seems like the easier choice. Also, as badly as Kike is doing, he's still 100 points higher than JBJ.

[JDavis76]

He'd probably still play in a defensive replacement roll, but yes, he seems like the easier choice. Also, as badly as Kike is doing, he's still 100 points higher than JBJ.

 

The sox already have a danish, do they need a roll also?

[moonslav59]

The sox already have a danish, do they need a roll also?

 

You betta- Wacha- ya- self!

[a700hitter]

It looks that way now. But last year he sucked up until September (his OPS was .699 on Sept. 7.)

And he was still better than what we got in return.

[JDavis76]

you betta- wacha- ya- self!

 

lol

[moonslav59]

And he was still better than what we got in return.

 

It was pretty close.

 

2021

 

Renfroe

.816 OPS

114 wRC+

-3.1 UZR/150 and -1 DRS(-0.5 dWAR)

2.1 fWAR/2.3 bWAR

 

Beni

.766 OPS

102 wRC+

+5.5 UZR/150 & +7 DRS (+0.3 dWAR)

1.8 fWAR/ 2.4 bWAR

[a700hitter]

It was pretty close.

 

2021

 

Renfroe

.816 OPS

114 wRC+

-3.1 UZR/150 and -1 DRS(-0.5 dWAR)

2.1 fWAR/2.3 bWAR

 

Beni

.766 OPS

102 wRC+

+5.5 UZR/150 & +7 DRS (+0.3 dWAR)

1.8 fWAR/ 2.4 bWAR

We didn’t get Renfroe for Beni.