Beni traded to Royals

[Bellhorn04]

Don't forget Bazardo, Brasier & Sale and maybe Seabold, Feltman, Herrmann, Arauz and Ockimey/Casas.

 

And Workman, who pitched an inning for WooSox last night.

[moonslav59]

And Workman, who pitched an inning for WooSox last night.

 

I keep forgetting him.

 

He might belong near the top of the helpful list.

[mvp 78]

And Workman, who pitched an inning for WooSox last night.

 

So far, he has 3 appearances with 3 IP, 1 H, 1ER, 3 BB, 5 K. Unless he makes a dramatic turn around, he's only getting called up if there's an injury.

[iortiz]

Don't forget Bazardo, Brasier & Sale and maybe Seabold, Feltman, Herrmann, Arauz and Ockimey/Casas.

 

yeah count them too. Specially Sale who has been saying over and over again that his recovery is progressing pretty well.

 

Help will come, that's for sure.

[iortiz]

Is there any kind of timetable on Houck?

 

Well last thing I read about it is that this injury is a minor thing and is expected to return very soon.

[a700hitter]

Khalil Lee has k’d in his first 7 MLB ABs. He has looked helpless.

[moonslav59]

Khalil Lee has k’d in his first 7 MLB ABs. He has looked helpless.

 

Good thing we didn't trade Beni for him and a couple PTBNLs.

[a700hitter]

Good thing we didn't trade Beni for him and a couple PTBNLs.

i was updating and addressing the discussion of whether Lee has been a disappointment as a prospect.

[Maxbialystock]

Khalil Lee has k’d in his first 7 MLB ABs. He has looked helpless.

 

Actually, I think he is now 8 for 8 on K's. Kid, 22, must have a great glove.

[a700hitter]

Actually, I think he is now 8 for 8 on K's. Kid, 22, must have a great glove.

Mets are decimated with injuries. They also have .103 hitting Cameron Maybin in the lineup.

[mvp 78]

i was updating and addressing the discussion of whether Lee has been a disappointment as a prospect.

 

He is graded as a current 30 hit tool, 55 raw power, 55 speed, 45 field. The problem is that his current game power is 35.

 

He's only played 6 games above AA and has never really hit for a high average. Maybe his power comes along and makes up for it?

 

FWIW, ZiPS/Steamer had him only playing part of the year in MLB and performing pretty horribly.

[notin]

Actually, I think he is now 8 for 8 on K's. Kid, 22, must have a great glove.

 

He struggled in ST, too, but let's not forget he didn't play much at all in 2020. Thy're also rushing him due to a rash of OF injuries and very little depth below MLB.

 

I doubt the Sox miss him, but others have struggled early on as well. Yoan Moncada struck out 12 times in his first 19 AB's for Boston. (And yeah, supposedly Lee is a very good defensive player.)

[notin]

i was updating and addressing the discussion of whether Lee has been a disappointment as a prospect.

 

His stock might fall, but it doesn't impact Boston. The list of potential PTBNLs has been agreed upon for months now...

[a700hitter]

He is graded as a current 30 hit tool, 55 raw power, 55 speed, 45 field. The problem is that his current game power is 35.

 

He's only played 6 games above AA and has never really hit for a high average. Maybe his power comes along and makes up for it?

 

FWIW, ZiPS/Steamer had him only playing part of the year in MLB and performing pretty horribly.

i don’t put much faith in the new fangled metrics. I know a college kid who is a legitimate pitching prospect, but He would never make the bigs as a hitter. However, many scouts rely on these new metrics on bat speed, the time the bat is in hitting zone etc. I may have misstated it, but the point is that the kid is very high on the charts of those new metrics. There is a little problem, however, ... he can’t track a pitch long enough to be a good hitter. He’s completely overpowered by plus heat and can’t recognize breaking pitches early enough not to bite at the ones in the dirt.

[a700hitter]

His stock might fall, but it doesn't impact Boston. The list of potential PTBNLs is has been agreed upon for months now...

You were telling me that he is a prospect. I said that I had heard that he has been a major disappointment. I wasn’t arguing that other point in regard to Lee.

[notin]

i don’t put much faith in the new fangled metrics. I know a college kid who is a legitimate pitching prospect, but He would never make the bigs as a hitter. However, many scouts rely on these new metrics on bat speed, the time the bat is in hitting zone etc. I may have misstated it, but the point is that the kid is very high on the charts of those new metrics. There is a little problem, however, ... he can’t track a pitch long enough to be a good hitter. He’s completely overpowered by plus heat and can’t recognize breaking pitches early enough not to bite at the ones in the dirt.

 

Part of the new metrics does involve separating things you can teach a player from things you can't. It doesn't always work, and no method ever will. But some teams prefer the raw tools, knowing it is easier to teach a kid to recognize pitches than it is to teach him to run faster...

[notin]

You were telling me that he is a prospect. I said that I had heard that he has been a major disappointment. I wasn’t arguing that other point in regard to Lee.

 

And he was/is by every scouting bureau that rates prospects for MLB...

[a700hitter]

And he was/is by every scouting bureau that rates prospects for MLB...

And that must be why Bloom said no.

[a700hitter]

Part of the new metrics does involve separating things you can teach a player from things you can't. It doesn't always work, and no method ever will. But some teams prefer the raw tools, knowing it is easier to teach a kid to recognize pitches than it is to teach him to run faster...

You can’t teach a kid to see the ball. And you can’t judge that unless you see the kid play.

[Bellhorn04]

That start by Lee isn't necessarily a kiss of death, of course. Moncada's big league start was similar.

[mvp 78]

That start by Lee isn't necessarily a kiss of death, of course. Moncada's big league start was similar.

 

Moncada played much better in MiLB though. Lee doesn't have Moncada's upside.

 

Someday he could be a viable MLBer. Today is not the day.

[notin]

You can’t teach a kid to see the ball. And you can’t judge that unless you see the kid play.

 

I’m sure they saw him play. He’s been scouted to death, like most prospects.

 

He’s struggling now. He was a BA top 100 prospect in 2019, and then didn’t play in 2020 and hasn’t been ranked since. He may never crack anyone’s list again, but that’s the Mets’ problem now. The bottom line for Boston is the Mets wanted him badly enough to give up a PTBNL that Bloom wanted. And this winter, the two teams agreed on a list of candidates. And that list isn’t going to change if Lee flops completely and strikes out in his next 100 at bats. The Sox sold high on a guy they controlled for mere seconds.

[mvp 78]

Former Red Sox prospect Khalil Lee.

[notin]

And that must be why Bloom said no.

 

One story is he heard that Mets GM Zack Scott was really high on Lee, so he acquired him for the sole purpose of flipping him to the Mets, presumably for something they had that he liked...

[moonslav59]

i was updating and addressing the discussion of whether Lee has been a disappointment as a prospect.

 

I didn't take it any other way.

[a700hitter]

I’m sure they saw him play. He’s been scouted to death, like most prospects.

 

He’s struggling now. He was a BA top 100 prospect in 2019, and then didn’t play in 2020 and hasn’t been ranked since. He may never crack anyone’s list again, but that’s the Mets’ problem now. The bottom line for Boston is the Mets wanted him badly enough to give up a PTBNL that Bloom wanted. And this winter, the two teams agreed on a list of candidates. And that list isn’t going to change if Lee flops completely and strikes out in his next 100 at bats. The Sox sold high on a guy they controlled for mere seconds.

or maybe the guy Bloom wanted was Winckowski and the PTBNL is a bag of balls. Seems like a distress sale price for a top prospect, not selling high.

[notin]

or maybe the guy Bloom wanted was Winckowski and the PTBNL is a bag of balls. Seems like a distress sale price for a top prospect, not selling high.

 

Little hard to say when we don't know who is on the list.

 

Obviously he did want Winckowski as well. It's not so unbelievable that the reason Lee was flipped for a PTBNL is that the Sox wanted some extra time to evaluate a few prospects since there was no minor league season in 2020 for a lot of players. I've predicted the prospect he targeted from former second round pick JT Ginn, but as this is Bloom, it's probably someone I have never heard of that Bloom has his own fascination with for some reason.

[mvp 78]

Little hard to say when we don't know who is on the list.

 

Obviously he did want Winckowski as well. It's not so unbelievable that the reason Lee was flipped for a PTBNL is that the Sox wanted some extra time to evaluate a few prospects since there was no minor league season in 2020 for a lot of players. I've predicted the prospect he targeted from former second round pick JT Ginn, but as this is Bloom, it's probably someone I have never heard of that Bloom has his own fascination with for some reason.

 

Spin rate.

[Larry Cook]

Little hard to say when we don't know who is on the list.

 

Obviously he did want Winckowski as well. It's not so unbelievable that the reason Lee was flipped for a PTBNL is that the Sox wanted some extra time to evaluate a few prospects since there was no minor league season in 2020 for a lot of players. I've predicted the prospect he targeted from former second round pick JT Ginn, but as this is Bloom, it's probably someone I have never heard of that Bloom has his own fascination with for some reason.

 

I will say this. These new analytics guys that hang’em Chaim has brought in appear to be crunching the algorithms correctly, because we have had way more wins this past offseason than last offseason.

[moonslav59]

I will say this. These new analytics guys that hang’em Chaim has brought in appear to be crunching the algorithms correctly, because we have had way more wins this past offseason than last offseason.

 

They were there, last winter, too.

 

We got Brice based on spin rate, right?