Yankees 2021 Season Thread

[d-money]

7 runs in the 9th inning? Yikes . The game’s on chapman though. He walks 3 hitters unreal.

[Bellhorn04]

It sure likes like Chapman's amazing start to the season was Spider Tack-related, doesn't it?

[notin]

It sure likes like Chapman's amazing start to the season was Spider Tack-related, doesn't it?

 

If there is a pitcher who should be using stuff to get a better grip on the ball, it’s Chapman. The man could use his fastball to kill a water buffalo….

[Bellhorn04]

If there is a pitcher who should be using stuff to get a better grip on the ball, it’s Chapman. The man could use his fastball to kill a water buffalo….

 

He got off to such a ridiculously good start this year. Now he's one of the Before and After Spider Tack poster guys.

[Thunder]

He got off to such a ridiculously good start this year. Now he's one of the Before and After Spider Tack poster guys.

 

Meanwhile Barnes looked nasty on Tuesday night

[notin]

He got off to such a ridiculously good start this year. Now he's one of the Before and After Spider Tack poster guys.

 

Possibly true. I’m just saying if he was using, I’d let him go back to it for safety reasons. Anyone who throws 105mph should be allowed to do everything possible to control that lethal object. Otherwise Yankee games could turn into a bloody version of Clue, but with less mystery. “It was Aroldis Chapman…. In Yankee Stadium …. With the fastball.”…

[notin]

As I didn’t watch SportsCenter last night, was yesterday the first time in MLB history where two teams put up 7 runs in the first inning and both lost? The Cubs also jumped out to a 7-0 lead on the Brewers after 1 and then gave up 15 unanswered runs…

[bkzwhitestrican]

Not sure if it's spider tack related since his spin rates are still the same. Maybe he was using something else for grip like sunscreen though. In either case, Chapman has had a rough patch like this almost every season where we think he's done and then he returns to form. I'd expect the same. Just sucks when it's happening.

[moonslav59]

I would agree the left-right thing is a little overblown.

 

Their offense stinks because:

 

-One-dimensional approach.

-Not hitting with RISP.

-Guys like Torres and Frazier have been mammoth disappointments (which many Yankee fans blame on management for screwing around with them).

-Zero help from outside the org or the farm. Cash brings in guys like Bruce and Odor and they're awful.

 

I agree with everything, here, but Cashman did bring in Paxton, then Cole, then Kluber. Much of the pen is from ‘outside.” Stanton was a major get and has done well this year when playing.

[Bellhorn04]

I agree with everything, here, but Cashman did bring in Paxton, then Cole, then Kluber. Much of the pen is from ‘outside.” Stanton was a major get and has done well this year when playing.

 

My post was only about the offense and why it's so bad this year.

[dgalehouse]

I don't know about spider tack , but they really should check Chapman for steroids. He is really jacked. Looks like former Mr. Olympia , Lee Haney.

[notin]

I would agree the left-right thing is a little overblown.

 

Their offense stinks because:

 

-One-dimensional approach.

-Not hitting with RISP.

-Guys like Torres and Frazier have been mammoth disappointments (which many Yankee fans blame on management for screwing around with them).

-Zero help from outside the org or the farm. Cash brings in guys like Bruce and Odor and they're awful.

 

Also leading MLB with 81 GIDP in 80 games…

[notin]

I don't know about spider tack , but they really should check Chapman for steroids. He is really jacked. Looks like former Mr. Olympia , Lee Haney.

 

Safe bet he was the subject of a random test at some point.

 

Also, Lee Haney is in his 60s. Not sure that’s a compliment;)

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Hal came out today, claimed he was upset, etc., but I'm not sure how convincing he was. He also said that Cashman and Boone are safe and that he doesn't anticipate the Yankees acting as sellers at the trade deadline.

 

Speaking of trades:

Yankees acquire Tim Locastro from Diamondbacks as season crumbles

https://nypost.com/2021/07/01/yankees-trade-for-diamondbacks-outfielder-tim-locastro/

[moonslav59]

I don't know about spider tack , but they really should check Chapman for steroids. He is really jacked. Looks like former Mr. Olympia , Lee Haney.

 

True, he did not add much on offence last winter, but I think almost every single knowledgable baseball person felt the offence was not going to be an issue. He had added key pieces to the current offence over previous seasons.

 

This is not an attempt by me to take Cashman off the hook. I’ve been thinking he needs to go for several years.

 

I think Boone is more to blame for this years mess.

[dgalehouse]

Rather than stand up and face the music today , the tired and beaten Yanks conveniently, and somewhat prematurely, postponed today's game. The preferred to get some rest and get ready for New York's new favorite team , the Mets.

[dgalehouse]

All is well . Tim Locastro is flying in from Arizona , ala Mighty Mouse . " Here I come to save the day."

[Bellhorn04]

It could be the Yankees are just going through one of those phases where nothing goes right. The Red Sox franchise has certainly had 'em.

[jacksonianmarch]

It could be the Yankees are just going through one of those phases where nothing goes right. The Red Sox franchise has certainly had 'em.

 

That’s the thing. This seems very 2019 Red Sox where the team was immensely talented yet played like s***. We just don’t have the benefit of just having won a title

[Bellhorn04]

I'm also looking at the fact the Yankees haven't finished below .500 since 1992. That's an impressive streak. The law of averages says that eventually, you're going to have a spell where nothing goes right.

[moonslav59]

That’s the thing. This seems very 2019 Red Sox where the team was immensely talented yet played like s***. We just don’t have the benefit of just having won a title

 

Exactly, but we still won 84, which is lower than the Yankee pace, as of now.

 

If you guys finish below .500 with this team on paper, it will be monumental.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

That’s the thing. This seems very 2019 Red Sox where the team was immensely talented yet played like s***. We just don’t have the benefit of just having won a title

 

The big difference is that Boston thought it was set, returning the same veteran five-man starting rotation that had just won the World Series. This year's Yankees decided to let their #2, 3 and 4 starters walk, replace them with rehabs and retools, and stampede the entire AL? New York also opted not to address weaknesses at major defensive positions at shortstop and catcher, banking -- as usual -- on Torres and Sanchez to bash in more runs than they let in.

 

I said it all winter, and I still can't believe that so many expert pundits fell for it.

[moonslav59]

The big difference is that Boston thought it was set, returning the same veteran five-man starting rotation that had just won the World Series. This year's Yankees decided to let their #2, 3 and 4 starters walk, replace them with rehabs and retools, and stampede the entire AL? New York also opted not to address weaknesses at major defensive positions at shortstop and catcher, banking -- as usual -- on Torres and Sanchez to bash in more runs than they let in.

 

I said it all winter, and I still can't believe that so many expert pundits fell for it.

 

Letting Happ walk was very understandable. Replacing him with a choice between several up and coming in-system arms seemed fine.

 

Paxton, not so much, but still, e wasn't a model of durability. Replacing him with Taillon looked good, to me.

 

Replacing Tanaka with Kluber was a huge gamble.

 

The thing is, keeping Tanaka, Paxton and Happ would not have worked out either- just as us keeping our 2018 rotation for 2019 did not work.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Letting Happ walk was very understandable. Replacing him with a choice between several up and coming in-system arms seemed fine.

 

Paxton, not so much, but still, e wasn't a model of durability. Replacing him with Taillon looked good, to me.

 

Replacing Tanaka with Kluber was a huge gamble.

 

The thing is, keeping Tanaka, Paxton and Happ would not have worked out either- just as us keeping our 2018 rotation for 2019 did not work.

 

I'm not disagreeing with any of your points, but it still boggles my mind that so many in the industry felt Cole and a rotation of IFs made New York -- not just a better team -- but heavy favorites to win the pennant. It's not like the Yanks were adding Jimmy Key, Doc Gooden and Kenny Rogers... or even Ed Figueroa, Dock Ellis, Ken Holtzman and Doyle Alexander...

[moonslav59]

I'm not disagreeing with any of your points, but it still boggles my mind that so many in the industry felt Cole and a rotation of IFs made New York -- not just a better team -- but heavy favorites to win the pennant. It's not like the Yanks were adding Jimmy Key, Doc Gooden and Kenny Rogers... or even Ed Figueroa, Dock Ellis, Ken Holtzman and Doyle Alexander...

 

What other teams had better rotations on paper before opening day?

 

I liked the Yankee rotation more than the Sox, but I did feel it was closer than many thought it was.

 

I think most liked Kluber over Richards.

 

Taillon over Pivetta

 

German > Perez

 

Montgomery vs ERod was a big unknown

 

Cole >>> Eovaldi

 

King/Garcia> Houck/Seabold

[moonslav59]

In April, most everyone thought the Yanks did a fine job with their pitching staff over the winter. They had a 3.09 ERA in April. May's 3.33 ERA was pretty good, too. Their June ERA is horrific: 4.96, including Cole's 4.65 June ERA (German 7.27 & Taillon 6.14).

 

The Yankee rotation has a 4.06 ERA with an OPS against of .704 (95 OPS+).

 

Starter ERAs listed in order of most IP as a starter (24 IP+ unless listed)

2.66 Cole

4.06 Montgomery

4.50 German

5.43 Taillon

3.04 Kluber

5.47 King (24 IP)

6.48 Garcia (8 IP)

 

Sox team ERA by month:

3.59 April

4.46 May

4.29 June

 

Starters: 4.50 ERA and .769 OPS against (114 OPS+)

3.41 Eovaldi

4.43 Pivetta

4.96 Richards

5.83 ERod

4.04 Perez

4.82 Houck (9.1 IP)

 

The Yankee starters still look better on paper, unless you subtract Kluber.

[Bellhorn04]

What other teams had better rotations on paper before opening day?

 

I liked the Yankee rotation more than the Sox, but I did feel it was closer than many thought it was.

 

I think most liked Kluber over Richards.

 

Taillon over Pivetta

 

German > Perez

 

Montgomery vs ERod was a big unknown

 

Cole >>> Eovaldi

 

King/Garcia> Houck/Seabold

 

Sometimes the 'on paper' thing is quite meaningless. Kluber and Taillon were both big gambles with a huge range of possible outcomes. All you could really do was see what happens.

[notin]

Sometimes the 'on paper' thing is quite meaningless. Kluber and Taillon were both big gambles with a huge range of possible outcomes. All you could really do was see what happens.

 

As the saying goes “that’s why they don’t play the games on paper”…

[notin]

I'm not disagreeing with any of your points, but it still boggles my mind that so many in the industry felt Cole and a rotation of IFs made New York -- not just a better team -- but heavy favorites to win the pennant. It's not like the Yanks were adding Jimmy Key, Doc Gooden and Kenny Rogers... or even Ed Figueroa, Dock Ellis, Ken Holtzman and Doyle Alexander...

 

 

You’re showing your age

[Fan_since_Boggs]

That’s the thing. This seems very 2019 Red Sox where the team was immensely talented yet played like s***. We just don’t have the benefit of just having won a title

 

It could be worse, though. You could be like the Mets, who haven't won a title since 1986. Or the Tigers who haven't won since 1984. Or the Pirates who haven't won since 1979. The Orioles haven't won since 1983. The Yankees have won two titles in the 21st Century--2000 and 2009 and that is still better than most teams. The Dodgers and Royals recently got the monkey off their backs--the Dodgers hadn't won since 1988 and the Royals hadn't won since 1985.

 

World Series titles in the 21st Century:

Red Sox 4

Giants 3

Cardinals 2

Yankees 2

 

Every other team = one or less.