Bauer sweepstakes

[notin]

40 opt-out

45 opt-out

17

 

The AAV is 34 mill for 2021. It looks to me, though, that if Bauer opts out after Year Two, the Dodgers will get stuck with a 51 mill tax number for 2022, because the final figures will be 2 years and 85 mill.

 

Wouldn’t that make it a $42.5 mill tax hit?

[jacksonianmarch]

No, they’ll retroactively assign the difference in AAV and add it to the last year. Nice new wrinkle from the last CBA.

 

So his year 1 will cost $34 mil vs the AAV but will actually pay him $40 mil.

 

His year 2 will cost $34 mil to AAV but will pay him $45.

 

If he opts out after year two, his $34 mil cap hit would add the $6 mil from year 1 and the $11 mil from year two above the $34 mil AAV. His cap hit would actually be $51 mil

[Kimmi]

The Dodgers reset their tax penalty in 2018 and they have a very strong farm system.

 

Not saying that that makes spending all that money the right thing to do, but it certainly opens up more flexibility for them to do so.

 

 

Red Sox Stats

@redsoxstats

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Dodgers have the farm system that lets them make these moves. They have built an absolute machine that endlessly feeds in new top prospects to offset adding superstars. That's the dream.

 

 

^^This guy is my soulmate.

 

The Dodgers were also under the tax penalty limit in 2019. They currently have all the flexibility in the world, which is the exact opposite of what we have.

 

Bloom will get us there, I have no doubt.

[Kimmi]

Another tidbit I read this morning:

 

 

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@baseballquotes1

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Trevor Bauer is set to make more money in 2021 than three current teams have on their payroll!

 

Trevor Bauer's 2021 contract: $40 million

 

Cleveland Guardians 2021 payroll: $36.5 million

Pittsburgh Pirates 2021 payroll: $37.7 million

Baltimore Orioles 2021 payroll: $39.1 millon

 

 

That is crazy stuff.

[mvp 78]

Embarrassing

[Bellhorn04]

Red Sox Stats

@redsoxstats

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Dodgers have the farm system that lets them make these moves. They have built an absolute machine that endlessly feeds in new top prospects to offset adding superstars. That's the dream.

 

 

^^This guy is my soulmate.

 

The Dodgers were also under the tax penalty limit in 2019. They currently have all the flexibility in the world, which is the exact opposite of what we have.

 

Bloom will get us there, I have no doubt.

 

Friedman is knocking it out of the park.

 

What's interesting is that it really takes a championship to make everything worth it.

 

If the Dodgers hadn't come back from 3-1 against the Braves people would be making much of their continued title drought. And probably calling this Bauer signing 'desperate' and the like.

[moonslav59]

Another tidbit I read this morning:

 

 

Baseball Quotes

@baseballquotes1

· 13h

Trevor Bauer is set to make more money in 2021 than three current teams have on their payroll!

 

Trevor Bauer's 2021 contract: $40 million

 

Cleveland Guardians 2021 payroll: $36.5 million

Pittsburgh Pirates 2021 payroll: $37.7 million

Baltimore Orioles 2021 payroll: $39.1 millon

 

 

That is crazy stuff.

 

The Dodgers are clearly the Yankees of the Steinbrenner era.

 

I get the argument than once a team makes the playoffs there is an element of a "crap shoot," but seriously, what would the Sox have had to do, this winter, to come close to the same winning it all odds as the Dodger.

 

Even becoming the odd on favorite of winning the AL Championship would have taken mammoth spending and trading away of prospects.

 

When looking at the moves Bloom has made, and more importantly not made, this context is needed.

 

Bloom is moving us in the right direction and positioning our future spending budget in a positive way.

[Kimmi]

Friedman is knocking it out of the park.

 

What's interesting is that it really takes a championship to make everything worth it.

 

If the Dodgers hadn't come back from 3-1 against the Braves people would be making much of their continued title drought. And probably calling this Bauer signing 'desperate' and the like.

 

Agreed on both counts. As you know, I'm a strong believer in the 'playoffs are a crapshoot' notion. IMO, a GM's success really shouldn't be based on the team's success in the postseason and on WS Championships, but on regular season success and the strength of the team en route to the playoffs. That's not the way it usually works though.

 

It's a moot point now, but how would Mookie's signing be viewed if the Dodgers did not win a championship during the entire contract? How would Dombrowski's moves be viewed if the Sox had not won in 2018?

[Kimmi]

The Dodgers are clearly the Yankees of the Steinbrenner era.

 

I get the argument than once a team makes the playoffs there is an element of a "crap shoot," but seriously, what would the Sox have had to do, this winter, to come close to the same winning it all odds as the Dodger.

 

Even becoming the odd on favorite of winning the AL Championship would have taken mammoth spending and trading away of prospects.

 

When looking at the moves Bloom has made, and more importantly not made, this context is needed.

 

Bloom is moving us in the right direction and positioning our future spending budget in a positive way.

 

The Sox are not currently in a place to make the all out moves. We'll get there, and we'll see Bloom make a big signing, but the timing is not right for that to happen now. IMO, Bloom is doing exactly what he needs to be doing.

[moonslav59]

The Sox are not currently in a place to make the all out moves. We'll get there, and we'll see Bloom make a big signing, but the timing is not right for that to happen now. IMO, Bloom is doing exactly what he needs to be doing.

 

Agreed, however signing someone like Odorizzi to 3 years fits into the plan, too, but maybe Bloom is not that high on him, so I won't bash him for passing on this years' 3+ year FAs.

 

If we don't start spending next winter, my tune may change.

[Kimmi]

Agreed, however signing someone like Odorizzi to 3 years fits into the plan, too, but maybe Bloom is not that high on him, so I won't bash him for passing on this years' 3+ year FAs.

 

If we don't start spending next winter, my tune may change.

 

I would not be opposed to signing Odorizzi, though I'm also fine if we don't sign him.

 

How much Bloom spends next year will depend on how things go this year and what moves can be made that benefit both the short and long terms. I'm still not sure we'll be in the 'all in' phase yet, which is not to say that we won't improve and remain competitive. With that said, I think it's likely that we exceed the first tax limit next year.

[notin]

I would not be opposed to signing Odorizzi, though I'm also fine if we don't sign him.

 

How much Bloom spends next year will depend on how things go this year and what moves can be made that benefit both the short and long terms. I'm still not sure we'll be in the 'all in' phase yet, which is not to say that we won't improve and remain competitive. With that said, I think it's likely that we exceed the first tax limit next year.

 

The thing is, if the Sox are really building for 2022, why wait? Their window is primarily built on Sale. So waiting too long is a bad, bad thing...

[Kimmi]

The thing is, if the Sox are really building for 2022, why wait? Their window is primarily built on Sale. So waiting too long is a bad, bad thing...

 

I'm thinking that the FO doesn't think of having a window built around Sale. They have said over and over again that their goal is sustainability. They are not just looking at what the team can do when Sale is with the staff. It all comes down to what makes sense for the short and long terms. Regardless of when they plan to go over the limit, they will need to be able to reset every 3 years or so (depending on the new CBA).

[moonslav59]

I would not be opposed to signing Odorizzi, though I'm also fine if we don't sign him.

 

How much Bloom spends next year will depend on how things go this year and what moves can be made that benefit both the short and long terms. I'm still not sure we'll be in the 'all in' phase yet, which is not to say that we won't improve and remain competitive. With that said, I think it's likely that we exceed the first tax limit next year.

 

I'm okay either way with Odorizzi, too.

 

I'm leaning towards thinking not going over the tax line is a very high priority. The only way that changes is if we not only look like we might be in line to make the playoffs at the trade deadline, but that we look like we could advance in the playoffs.

 

I think (and hope) we look at our window as being 2022 to 2024 and maybe beyond. Spend big in 2022 and look to maybe reset in 2025 or 2026. If we go over, this year, we may have to reset in 2024 or 2025 (a year earlier).

 

What year will we have a better chance at winning it all? 2021 or 2024/2025?

 

I can't imagine anyone thinking it's 2021.

 

I know 2024 is a long ways away, but I like our longer look much better than the shorter one.

[notin]

I'm okay either way with Odorizzi, too.

 

I'm leaning towards thinking not going over the tax line is a very high priority. The only way that changes is if we not only look like we might be in line to make the playoffs at the trade deadline, but that we look like we could advance in the playoffs.

 

I think (and hope) we look at our window as being 2022 to 2024 and maybe beyond. Spend big in 2022 and look to maybe reset in 2025 or 2026. If we go over, this year, we may have to reset in 2024 or 2025 (a year earlier).

 

What year will we have a better chance at winning it all? 2021 or 2024/2025?

 

I can't imagine anyone thinking it's 2021.

 

I know 2024 is a long ways away, but I like our longer look much better than the shorter one.

 

2024 is Alex Verdugo's option year. If the plan is to wait that long, it is already flawed...

[moonslav59]

2024 is Alex Verdugo's option year. If the plan is to wait that long, it is already flawed...

 

It's not about waiting until 2024. The plan could mean we win or are highly competitive by 2023 and maybe even 2022, but seriously. do you think we should have a better chance of winning in 2021 or 2024 or 2025?

 

The plan should be to continually improve over 2021 and sustain a better team than the 2021 one in 2024 and well beyond.

 

That's why not going over the tax line, now, can help 3 or 4 years down the line. It also lessens the tax hit each year along the way as our bracket is pushed back 1 more year.

 

I'm not saying we have to stay under in 2021, but there is a good reason to do so.

[Bellhorn04]

That's why not going over the tax line, now, can help 3 or 4 years down the line. It also lessens the tax hit each year along the way as our bracket is pushed back 1 more year.

 

Well, if there's no significant change to the system in the next CBA, and we go over in 2022, that would put us in the dreaded Year 3 in 2024.

 

With this 3 year system you're never very far from being in tax hell again.

 

Hopefully they change that a little.

[moonslav59]

Well, if there's no significant change to the system in the next CBA, and we go over in 2022, that would put us in the dreaded Year 3 in 2024.

 

With this 3 year system you're never very far from being in tax hell again.

 

Hopefully they change that a little.

 

Maybe teams will try to reset after year 2, to avoid year 3's. If that's the case, and we go over in year 2022, then maybe 2024 is a reset year.

 

BTW, the Yanks are favorites to make the WS, and they are resetting, this year, so a reset year need not be a rebuilding year.

[mvp 78]

Well, if there's no significant change to the system in the next CBA, and we go over in 2022, that would put us in the dreaded Year 3 in 2024.

 

With this 3 year system you're never very far from being in tax hell again.

 

Hopefully they change that a little.

 

They need a $60M floor first and foremost. I'm not super worried about the luxury tax, but it should probably go away as it is artificially deflating salaries.

[moonslav59]

They need a $60M floor first and foremost. I'm not super worried about the luxury tax, but it should probably go away as it is artificially deflating salaries.

 

Apparently, that's what many owners want- deflated salaries.

 

I hope it goes away and is replaced by a floor limit. Teams should be forced to spend a certain amount on player salary.

[Kimmi]

I'm okay either way with Odorizzi, too.

 

I'm leaning towards thinking not going over the tax line is a very high priority. The only way that changes is if we not only look like we might be in line to make the playoffs at the trade deadline, but that we look like we could advance in the playoffs.

 

I think (and hope) we look at our window as being 2022 to 2024 and maybe beyond. Spend big in 2022 and look to maybe reset in 2025 or 2026. If we go over, this year, we may have to reset in 2024 or 2025 (a year earlier).

 

What year will we have a better chance at winning it all? 2021 or 2024/2025?

 

I can't imagine anyone thinking it's 2021.

 

I know 2024 is a long ways away, but I like our longer look much better than the shorter one.

 

The goal is to get the team to the point where we are in a position to win it every year. Like the Dodgers are. We should not be thinking in terms of windows. Even when the team looks poised to go for it, big moves should not be made if they don't also have a long term benefit for us. Keep the 'window' from ever closing on us.

[notin]

They need a $60M floor first and foremost. I'm not super worried about the luxury tax, but it should probably go away as it is artificially deflating salaries.

 

Is that a high enough floor? Right now that gets you Trevor Bauer and 25 players making less than $1mill each...

[notin]

Maybe teams will try to reset after year 2, to avoid year 3's. If that's the case, and we go over in year 2022, then maybe 2024 is a reset year.

 

BTW, the Yanks are favorites to make the WS, and they are resetting, this year, so a reset year need not be a rebuilding year.

 

When compared to other sports, MLB owners have done an insane job of keeping salaries low.

 

Carson Wentz made $32mill AAV on his cotnract this year. His season is 10% as long as an MLB season. Also he sucks. Imagine how much he could make if he was good?

 

John Wall - extremely talented player, but not a name one thinks of as the NBA's elite - has a contract with an AAV of $42.7 million - higher than any contract in MLB history. Again, the season is only about one half of an MLB season. Also, in terms of durability, John Wall makes Nathan Eovaldi look like Nolan Ryan...

[Bellhorn04]

When compared to other sports, MLB owners have done an insane job of keeping salaries low.

 

Carson Wentz made $32mill AAV on his cotnract this year. His season is 10% as long as an MLB season. Also he sucks. Imagine how much he could make if he was good?

 

John Wall - extremely talented player, but not a name one thinks of as the NBA's elite - has a contract with an AAV of $42.7 million - higher than any contract in MLB history. Again, the season is only about one half of an MLB season. Also, in terms of durability, John Wall makes Nathan Eovaldi look like Nolan Ryan...

 

Have to look at total team payrolls too though.

[notin]

Have to look at total team payrolls too though.

 

Roster sizes do vary, so that needs to be accounted for...

[jad]

Just heard his comment about celebrations following HRs (he's all for it) and calling out pitchers who get butt-hurt and through at batters in retaliation.

Never liked him much.

Now I'm a fan.