Terrible terrible choice not to go hard after Morton .Lose out on Springer I’m out !!

[Swiharts Ghost]

LSorry folks I’m disgusted by the lack of talk of the obvious players this team needs to compete in 21 .Where the hell is the draw to even follow this gutterball team ? We need Springer more than anything else this winter .The future at pitching is not a concern for me .Get springer put some excitement back in this rain cloud team .Move Devers to 1b he’s a butcher at 3rd go get Arenado .Im done waiting Get me a ring !!!!!! If you want pitching Snell is the guy you go after period .Yup I want Springer I want Arenado and snell .!,, this is about rings period .You ain’t first your last Ricky Bobby .Devers Benny Chavis Mata are on the block .Bring in Lemeiuw lol yeah I spelt dat .Thats right now I want springer Snell Arenaudo And the ex Yankee .Or I’m a Ghost .I know I know it’s brilliant .Thankyou in advance !!!!! It’s sooooo much better with my input Booo Edited December 1, 2020 by Swiharts Ghost

[notin]

Is it spring training already?

[Bellhorn04]

LSorry folks I’m disgusted by the lack of talk of the obvious players this team needs to compete in 21 .Where the hell is the draw to even follow this gutterball team ? We need Springer more than anything else this winter .The future at pitching is not a concern for me .Get springer put some excitement back in this rain cloud team .Move Devers to 1b he’s a butcher at 3rd go get Arenado .Im done waiting Get me a ring !!!!!! If you want pitching Snell is the guy you go after period .Yup I want Springer I want Arenado and snell .!,, this is about rings period .You ain’t first your last Ricky Bobby .Devers Benny Chavis Mata are on the block .Bring in Lemeiuw lol yeah I spelt dat .Thats right now I want springer Snell Arenaudo And the ex Yankee .Or I’m a Ghost .I know I know it’s brilliant .Thankyou in advance !!!!! It’s sooooo much better with my input Booo

 

You are seriously f***ed in the head LOL

[moonslav59]

Where the hell is the draw to even follow this gutterball team ?

 

Please, find another team to follow, soon.

[jad]

Stop threatening to leave and ACT!

[Bellhorn04]

Stop threatening to leave and ACT!

 

It's the ones who threaten to leave who never do.

[mvp 78]

It's the ones who threaten to leave who never do.

 

It's better to burn out than to fade away.

[mvp 78]

And Springer hasn't even signed yet.

 

I don't believe Morton is worth 15M.

[notin]

And Springer hasn't even signed yet.

 

I don't believe Morton is worth 15M.

 

There are clear pros and cons to Morton, who has managed to hold a late career surge since he signed with Houston. On the plus side, he was a 6 fWAR pitcher as recently as 2019 and he is battle-tested in the post-season. On the downside, he is 37 years old. I don't think a heavy salary for a single season is all that outrageous for him. But the key being that it is for one season.

[mvp 78]

There are clear pros and cons to Morton, who has managed to hold a late career surge since he signed with Houston. On the plus side, he was a 6 fWAR pitcher as recently as 2019 and he is battle-tested in the post-season. On the downside, he is 37 years old. I don't think a heavy salary for a single season is all that outrageous for him. But the key being that it is for one season.

 

It's not outrageous, but I bet the Sox could do better getting two arms for that price, especially in this market.

[notin]

It's not outrageous, but I bet the Sox could do better getting two arms for that price, especially in this market.

 

They could defintely get 2 arms for that price, but will those two arms even combine for 6 fWAR?

[mvp 78]

They could defintely get 2 arms for that price, but will those two arms even combine for 6 fWAR?

 

I think you're expecting a little too much out of Morton.

 

Morton averaged 5.8 innings per start in 2019. He pitched 6 innings in 21 of 33 starts (64%).

 

Morton averaged 4.2 innings per start in 2020. He didn't pitch 6 innings in any start (0%).

 

He had a career year in 2019 as a 36 year old. I don't think he'll be doing that ever again.

[Bellhorn04]

Morton averaged 4.2 innings per start in 2020. He didn't pitch 6 innings in any start (0%).

 

A bit of Rays analytics mania involved there, perhaps.

[mvp 78]

A bit of Rays analytics mania involved there, perhaps.

 

Or that his WHIP went from 1.08 to 1.39? Or that his k rate was his lowest since 2015? Or that his LOB% was his worst since 2016? Or that his ERA- was 111? Or that his barrel% was his highest since it had ever been tracked?

 

But maybe it was because the Rays just went a little overboard with actually trying to win some regular season games? Maybe it had nothing to do with how Morton was actually pitching!

 

Snell didn't pitch 6 innings in any game either. However, Morton's declining metrics leave me to believe he won't be a 6 fWAR pitcher this year.

[notin]

A bit of Rays analytics mania involved there, perhaps.

 

Also, it was only 9 starts...

[notin]

Or that his WHIP went from 1.08 to 1.39? Or that his k rate was his lowest since 2015? Or that his LOB% was his worst since 2016? Or that his ERA- was 111? Or that his barrel% was his highest since it had ever been tracked?

 

But maybe it was because the Rays just went a little overboard with actually trying to win some regular season games? Maybe it had nothing to do with how Morton was actually pitching!

 

Snell didn't pitch 6 innings in any game either. However, Morton's declining metrics leave me to believe he won't be a 6 fWAR pitcher this year.

 

Or maybe it was becausde it was only 38 innings, and after almost no ST games...

[moonslav59]

And Springer hasn't even signed yet.

 

I don't believe Morton is worth 15M.

 

I thought $15 was high, too, for these times, but 1 year, low-risk deals are often higher.

[mvp 78]

Or maybe it was becausde it was only 38 innings, and after almost no ST games...

 

I'm leaning towards "he's not that good anymore."

 

There's no chance in hell he's getting 6 fWAR in 2021 either.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I thought $15 was high, too, for these times, but 1 year, low-risk deals are often higher.

 

Maybe Mort's postseason resume got a few contenders to bid up -- compared to the rest of the $8-11 Mil signings so far. Or maybe the Braves, sensing they're very close to a title, just pulled a Dombro targeting their guys and getting it done while other clubs are still assessing the market (and vaccine progress, and how that might affect budgets).

 

But I agree that Old Uncle Charlie isn't worth almost twice as much as way-under 30 ERod -- if the latter's indeed 100%...

 

Assuming the costs of Bauer and Snell are non-starters (so punny), how high will Bloom go for, say, Odorizzi? Maybe a better question is how much of a paycut will Jake settle for? He ain't gettin no 17.8 this winter... unless it's a two-year deal.

[mvp 78]

Maybe Mort's postseason resume got a few contenders to bid up -- compared to the rest of the $8-11 Mil signings so far. Or maybe the Braves, sensing they're very close to a title, just pulled a Dombro targeting their guys and getting it done while other clubs are still assessing the market (and vaccine progress, and how that might affect budgets).

 

But I agree that Old Uncle Charlie isn't worth almost twice as much as way-under 30 ERod -- if the latter's indeed 100%...

 

Assuming the costs of Bauer and Snell are non-starters (so punny), how high will Bloom go for, say, Odorizzi? Maybe a better question is how much of a paycut will Jake settle for? He ain't gettin no 17.8 this winter... unless it's a two-year deal.

 

MLB Trade Rumors says 3/39. They also said 1/8 for Morton.

 

Who the f*** knows at this point?

[moonslav59]

My guess is there will be some decent, but maybe not great, players available near the end of the off season that will be great bargains.

 

Watch Bloom wait and swoop.

[Bellhorn04]

My guess is there will be some decent, but maybe not great, players available near the end of the off season that will be great bargains.

 

Watch Bloom wait and swoop.

 

Will any of them be pitchers though?

[moonslav59]

Will any of them be pitchers though?

 

Maybe not any headliners, but maybe a couple.

[notin]

Will any of them be pitchers though?

 

Yes.

 

but bear in mind "bargains" does not always mean "difference makers"...

[moonslav59]

Yes.

 

but bear in mind "bargains" does not always mean "difference makers"...

 

They may, however, later be used in deadline trades to net us more prospects.

[Bellhorn04]

Yes.

 

but bear in mind "bargains" does not always mean "difference makers"...

 

So pretty much like the "bargains" Chaim scooped up for 2020 then.

[mvp 78]

So pretty much like the "bargains" Chaim scooped up for 2020 then.

 

If so, mlb.tv won't seem like a bargain in 2021.

[moonslav59]

I think a better quality "bargains" will be available late this winter- better than Perez & Plawecki.

[Bellhorn04]

I think a better quality "bargains" will be available late this winter- better than Perez & Plawecki.

 

I'm not sure it's a good idea to count on it. Every team needs pitching.

[Thunder]

The OP in this thread is why we can't have nice things