2021 Prospects

[moonslav59]

BA came out with their mid season top 100 today.

 

#27 Casas

#29 Duran

#68 Downs

 

Downs at #68 is going to piss off 700.

[Hugh2]

Downs at #68

 

Must be a bust. Maybe we can trade him for two bags of baseballs.

[moonslav59]

Must be a bust. Maybe we can trade him for two bags of baseballs.

 

Would you trade Downs straight up for Cedric Mullins (3 more years of team control) or Adolis Garcia (4 more yrs of control)?

 

BTV accepted both trades and have their values being very similar.

[Hugh2]

I don’t think those are bad trades at all. I might be a little reluctant to trade Downs for an outfielder. We don’t have a 2nd baseman in our future anytime soon if it isn’t Downs. I can see Duran inserting himself into left with Verdugo/renfroe in center/right.

 

Not that Duran/Mullins/Verdugo wouldn’t be a nice outfield either I just want to upgrade 2nd first. More than one way to skin a cat I suppose.

[moonslav59]

I don’t think those are bad trades at all. I might be a little reluctant to trade Downs for an outfielder. We don’t have a 2nd baseman in our future anytime soon if it isn’t Downs. I can see Duran inserting himself into left with Verdugo/renfroe in center/right.

 

Not that Duran/Mullins/Verdugo wouldn’t be a nice outfield either I just want to upgrade 2nd first. More than one way to skin a cat I suppose.

 

Renfroe is a FA after next year.

 

At 2B, we have Kike for one more year-same as Renfroe.

 

We have Arroyo for several years.

 

I know some don't like Arauz, but he's somewhat promising.

 

Munoz & Chavis are a long shots.

 

Nick Yorke is our #10 prospect and Matthew Lugo is not far behind.

 

After 2022, we have Verdugo & Duran in the OF. Jimenez may be close to the bigs by 2023, but I don't see 2B being any thinner than OF long term.

 

Edited June 7, 2021 by moonslav59

[moonslav59]

I don’t think those are bad trades at all. I might be a little reluctant to trade Downs for an outfielder. We don’t have a 2nd baseman in our future anytime soon if it isn’t Downs. I can see Duran inserting himself into left with Verdugo/renfroe in center/right.

 

Not that Duran/Mullins/Verdugo wouldn’t be a nice outfield either I just want to upgrade 2nd first. More than one way to skin a cat I suppose.

 

We'll know more about 2B and OF after 2021.

 

Maybe Arroyo solidifies the 2B job.

 

Maybe Duran comes up in August and bombs.

[mvp 78]

Update from last night:

 

Ort still dealing (k'd the side)

Bello is absolutely shoving (5.1, 9k, 0bb, 1r)

Cam Cannon still showing offensive life (4 hits)

Tyreque Reed is getting bored in Greenville (3 for 6)

Granberg continues to his hot streak (3 for 4)

Joe Davis has eclipesed the 1.000 OPS mark (3 for 5, 2 HR)

[Hugh2]

Bello just got promoted to Portland

[mvp 78]

Bello just got promoted to Portland

 

Well deserved.

[mvp 78]

Aside from the Mata/Ward injuries, this has been a very good year for Sox prospects. In a perfect world, Downs would start to heat up too. Hard to complain though.

[moonslav59]

Aside from the Mata/Ward injuries, this has been a very good year for Sox prospects. In a perfect world, Downs would start to heat up too. Hard to complain though.

 

Exactly. Only 3 things we wish could be better is just about a dream come true.

 

Several top and non top 100 prospects are looking very good or even great.

1.133 T Reed

.991 Duran

.952 Casas

.946 Marcus Wilson (Could he be given a shot?)

.762 Jimenez

.751 Rosario

 

OPS Against

.482 Scherff

.517 Winckowski

.546 K Ort

.584 Bello

.602 Aldo Ramirez

.655 Espinal

.694 Politi

[Hugh2]

Found this little tidbit about the Benintendi trade return interesting.

 

Chris Hatfield

@SPChrisHatfield

Terrific point by a @SoxProspects Forum poster, cdj: Red Sox Special Assistant, International & Amateur Scouting Chris Becerra was the Mets' director of int'l scouting when they signed Freddy Valdez. Red Sox were scouting Mets' system now, but that perspective likely was helpful.

[moonslav59]

Worcester won 11-4

 

Cordero & Munoz had 3 hits

 

Arauz had 2 w a HR. Same with Wilson.

 

Wong hit a granny

 

Weber went 7 allowing 2 runs.

 

 

Portland won 9-8.

 

Meneses with 2 hits, HR, 4 rbi

 

Politi got shelled.

 

[Bellhorn04]

Worcester won 11-4

 

Cordero & Munoz had 3 hits

 

Arauz had 2 w a HR. Same with Wilson.

 

Wong hit a granny

 

Weber went 7 allowing 2 runs.

 

 

Portland won 9-8.

 

Meneses with 2 hits, HR, 4 rbi

 

Politi got shelled.

 

 

Good old Ryan Weber.

[Bellhorn04]

This Cordero fellow is really lighting it up for the WooSox.

[Hugh2]

This Cordero fellow is really lighting it up for the WooSox.

 

If he's hitting good in AAA then certainly he can only help the big club.

[moonslav59]

This Cordero fellow is really lighting it up for the WooSox.

 

Maybe we could trade him straight up for that guy named Beni, who plays for the Royals.

[Hugh2]

Maybe we could trade him straight up for that guy named Beni, who plays for the Royals.

 

We might have to throw in 4 bags of baseballs.

[moonslav59]

soxprospects.com projects the newbies to be at these levels in 2022:

MLB Franchy Cordero (4 OF)

AAA Josh Winckowski (SP)

AA Grant Gambrell (SP)

A- Freddy Valdez (RF)

A- Luis de la Rosa (SP)

 

They also project Downs in MLB, on the bench, Duran starting in CF, Whitlock as one of our 6 starters and Houck in the pen. Casas in AAA with Rosario, Arauz, Pott, Wong and Wilson.

 

They go out of their way to say this is just speculation.

 

[Hugh2]

soxprospects.com projects the newbies to be at these levels in 2022:

MLB Franchy Cordero (4 OF)

AAA Josh Winckowski (SP)

AA Grant Gambrell (SP)

A- Freddy Valdez (RF)

A- Luis de la Rosa (SP)

 

They also project Downs in MLB, on the bench, Duran starting in CF, Whitlock as one of our 6 starters and Houck in the pen. Casas in AAA with Rosario, Arauz, Pott, Wong and Wilson.

 

They go out of their way to say this is just speculation.

 

 

If you notice it’s 26 guys plus Barnes/Acquisition/Chavis. They will make some moves and someone will be optioned, released, or traded.

[moonslav59]

If you notice it’s 26 guys plus Barnes/Acquisition/Chavis. They will make some moves and someone will be optioned, released, or traded.

 

Agreed.

 

I don’t see us having any serious roster crunch or Losing anyone special to rule 5, this winter.

[moonslav59]

On the farm, tonight...

 

Worcester 12-5

 

Cordero & Chavis both 3 for 4. Chavis with a HR/Cordero a 2B.

 

Wilson 2 for 5 with his 8th HR.

 

Mieses with a HR.

 

 

Portland 5-4

 

Meneses with a 2-run 2B

 

Duran 0-3

 

[moonslav59]

Duran (1-5) and Arauz with dingers, tonight.

Chavis 1-3 with a BB

Munoz 3-4

Downs 0-4

Ort with his 6th save (0.64 ERA)

 

AA

Casas 0-3, BB

Winckowski 5.2 6H 2 ER 1BB 5K (2.39 ERA)

[notin]

If you notice it’s 26 guys plus Barnes/Acquisition/Chavis. They will make some moves and someone will be optioned, released, or traded.

 

I’m predicting Chavis has less than 2 months left in the Sox organization...

[moonslav59]

I’m predicting Chavis has less than 2 months left in the Sox organization...

 

I agree.

 

I must have had him as part of a BTV trade dozens of times.

 

I still think he should be called up, but maybe they are afraid that might hurt his trade value.

 

I could see us trading Chavis and Groome for a better pitcher than Groome- hopefully with several years of team control.

 

I guess he could also be traded for a salary dump-type player.

 

[Bellhorn04]

I’m predicting Chavis has less than 2 months left in the Sox organization...

 

Makes sense. Chavis and Dalbec are so similar, and Dalbec has more potential, I think.

[mvp 78]

I’m predicting Chavis has less than 2 months left in the Sox organization...

 

I can see it. At some point, they need to determine if he's the best option at the bottom of their 40 man roster. Trade? DFA? We'll see.

[moonslav59]

Makes sense. Chavis and Dalbec are so similar, and Dalbec has more potential, I think.

 

Maybe Sox brass thought this would be a useful season to give several players a very long look to better determine who is a keeper and who is not.

 

Dalbec

Chavis

Cordero

Arroyo/Arauz/Munoz

 

Winning more games than expected out of the gate has made finding playing time for some of these guys much more difficult.

 

Only Arroyo has increased his value, and although Arauz has not lessened his, the rest seem to have.

 

If we keep winning, we may not allow enough ML playing time for some of these guys.

 

I can't see Chavis and Dalbec on the 40 by opening day 2022. Perhaps both are gone. I think Cordero, Arroyo and Arauz will be, if they are not traded. It's still early to know for sure.

[notin]

I can see it. At some point, they need to determine if he's the best option at the bottom of their 40 man roster. Trade? DFA? We'll see.

 

I’m going with trade.

 

My best guess is to Miami for Dylan Floro, because 1) the Marlins are loaded with young arms but desperately need hitters 2) Floro does offer the Sox a good bullpen upgrade and has postseason experience with the Dodgers and 3) it works out in BTV...

[Bellhorn04]

I’m going with trade.

 

My best guess is to Miami for Dylan Floro, because 1) the Marlins are loaded with young arms but desperately need hitters 2) Floro does offer the Sox a good bullpen upgrade and has postseason experience with the Dodgers and 3) it works out in BTV...

 

It's as good as done.