2020 Trade Deadline

[Larry Cook]

I see Beni is on the IL. Good idea but don't know who will come up as a replacement.

 

I think Duran deserves a shot. Maybe his speed can create some chaos on the base paths!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I think the 2021 rotation probably contains Eovaldi, Erod (hopefully), Perez, Hernandez and a free agent. Godley might be able to hang on as a depth starter or ERod insurance, but it's a bit early to tell. So if they add, say, Bauer to that mix, it looks a lot more resepctable. Especially when Sale comes back.

 

Now the bullpen is anybody's guess. Walden, Taylor, and Brice probably all return, if for no other reason than there is no one else left. And maybe Godley if he is not in the rotation. So hopefully they get something good when they trade Workman, Barnes and possibly Hembree and either Dalbec or Chavis...

 

Too many question marks to expect any semblance of respectability in '21. If Sale looks good a year from now, then we can have hopes that Bloom will make moves with an eye towards 2022. But I still think it will take something radical, like trading Bogaerts before he opts out in a package that nets someone like Luis Castillo (an All-Star pitcher under-30, controlled through '24).

 

However, the only way for the Sox to deal their best player -- again -- and stay competitive in the standings and turnstiles, would be to compensate with a major free agent signing... like Lindor. Cora would love that move, too.

[oldtimer]

Too many question marks to expect any semblance of respectability in '21. If Sale looks good a year from now, then we can have hopes that Bloom will make moves with an eye towards 2022. But I still think it will take something radical, like trading Bogaerts before he opts out in a package that nets someone like Luis Castillo (an All-Star pitcher under-30, controlled through '24).

 

However, the only way for the Sox to deal their best player -- again -- and stay competitive in the standings and turnstiles, would be to compensate with a major free agent signing... like Lindor. Cora would love that move, too.

 

Trading our best player is too radical for me. I prefer to make it back in smaller steps with 2022 being the real target. Give Bloom (room) a chance and see what he can come up with. Look at the Rays and see what can be done on a budget. The Sox have more resources, particularly if we get a reset this season.

[notin]

Too many question marks to expect any semblance of respectability in '21. If Sale looks good a year from now, then we can have hopes that Bloom will make moves with an eye towards 2022. But I still think it will take something radical, like trading Bogaerts before he opts out in a package that nets someone like Luis Castillo (an All-Star pitcher under-30, controlled through '24).

 

However, the only way for the Sox to deal their best player -- again -- and stay competitive in the standings and turnstiles, would be to compensate with a major free agent signing... like Lindor. Cora would love that move, too.

 

I know it’s just an example, but why would Cincinnati even think about trading Castillo for Bogaerts?

 

Any team acquiring an expensive MLB asset like Bogaerts isn’t going to give up MLB pitching to get him, unless that pitching is expensive or not controlled for much longer. Or has other, more serious issues.

 

If the Sox try a blockbuster like that, I could see Cleveland and their abundance of pitching as a more interesting target. But you still won’t get Bieber or Clevinger. But Civale and/or Plesac might be on play...

[mvp 78]

If they are going to trade for pitching, it'll most likely be high upside young arms. Really hard to trade for AS caliber arms.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I know it’s just an example, but why would Cincinnati even think about trading Castillo for Bogaerts?

 

Any team acquiring an expensive MLB asset like Bogaerts isn’t going to give up MLB pitching to get him, unless that pitching is expensive or not controlled for much longer. Or has other, more serious issues.

 

If the Sox try a blockbuster like that, I could see Cleveland and their abundance of pitching as a more interesting target. But you still won’t get Bieber or Clevinger. But Civale and/or Plesac might be on play...

 

That was just an example, but of a team on the verge of contention that could use a star shortstop to get them closer to the top. For a market like Cincy, a guy like Bogie, who is under contract at 20 mil per through 2026, may be more palatable than trying to sign soon-to-be-free agents Lindor, Corea or Story.

 

You've got to give up something to get something. I'm surprised no one has consulted the trade site yet...

 

(I thought about Cleveland, and how Clevinger and Pleasc may be suddenly available, since that organization doesn't tolerate nonsense)

[notin]

If they are going to trade for pitching, it'll most likely be high upside young arms. Really hard to trade for AS caliber arms.

 

Agreed. Unless they take back a questionable contract. Like Cueto or Arrieta.

 

If the Sox want some sort of blockbuster, the trading pieces might well be Bogaerts or Devers. Bogaerts has some appeal since many teams face potentially losing their All Star shortstop after 2021, including the Guardians, Dodgers, Rockies and Astros. (The Rockies do have internal replacements up the wazoo.) Or sooner, like the Angels.

 

Devers is the better trade piece, but is also much,much more difficult for Boston to replace. Dalbec has some pluses, but he is also more likely to be Russ Branyan 2.0 than Joey Gallo 2.0.

 

And, the team most in need of an upgrade at 3B given the name on this year's free agent list is the Dodgers (where Turner can but probably won't walk.) One thing we know about the Dodgers is they have absolutely no desire to trade their young arms. Even in the Betts trade, the Dodgers brought in a third team to get the young arm (Brusdar Graterol) for Boston. And even after Graterol failed his physical, the Dodgers reworks the deal so they could acquire Graterol. So while they should give up Dustin May plus for Devers, I have my doubts they would pull the trigger...

[moonslav59]

If they are going to trade for pitching, it'll most likely be high upside young arms. Really hard to trade for AS caliber arms.

 

You have to get lucky or give up a ton to get an AS pitcher or one that becomes one, later.

 

The Pedro, Schilling and Beckett deals all brought us a ring, but counting on those type of trades, these days, is not easy.

 

We will likely have to buy a pitcher via free agency in the next winter or two. Maybe, we can find a decent one via trade, and maybe Bloom can find a hidden gem.

[notin]

That was just an example, but of a team on the verge of contention that could use a star shortstop to get them closer to the top. For a market like Cincy, a guy like Bogie, who is under contract at 20 mil per through 2026, may be more palatable than trying to sign soon-to-be-free agents Lindor, Corea or Story.

 

You've got to give up something to get something. I'm surprised no one has consulted the trade site yet...

 

(I thought about Cleveland, and how Clevinger and Pleasc may be suddenly available, since that organization doesn't tolerate nonsense)

 

Like most teams, tolerance for nonsense with the Guardians varies with ability. If you're Clevinger or Plesac, you can get away with a lot more than, say, Adam Plutko. Clevinger is going nowhere. At least not until he commands real money.

 

I thought maybe Bogaerts to Cleveland for Northeastern alum Aaron Civale and RHRP James Karinchak, but I took the post down when I realized Lindor is a free agent after 2021, not 2020. I have my doubts they deal Lindor, who is their big draw. There are certainly reasons they should move him, I just don't think they will. And I think it hurts them that most teams that are losing All Star shortstops to free agency lose them at the same time as Lindor reaches the market. So why would the Dodgers or Astros trade for Lindor when they can play their own internal All Star for one more season and then try to sign him?

[notin]

You have to get lucky or give up a ton to get an AS pitcher or one that becomes one, later.

 

The Pedro, Schilling and Beckett deals all brought us a ring, but counting on those type of trades, these days, is not easy.

 

We will likely have to buy a pitcher via free agency in the next winter or two. Maybe, we can find a decent one via trade, and maybe Bloom can find a hidden gem.

 

 

 

Would you trade Devers to the Brewers for Hader, Corbin Burnes and minor league SS Bryce Turang?

 

The Brewers have no internal 3B hitting the pipeline, and lose (if that is not too strong a word here) Jedd Gyroko to free agency after this season. Sure, they could rework their infield with Luis Urias at 3B and Orlando Arcia at SS. But they shouldn't.

 

Hader is going to get very expensive in arbitration And Burnes has some upside but not the corresponding success in MLB yet. Turang is a high value piece who probably immediately becomes a top 3 prospect in the Sox system, and allows them to deal for more pitching or deal Bogaerts if need be. (Need shouldn't be.)

[mvp 78]

Would you trade Devers to the Brewers for Hader, Corbin Burnes and minor league SS Bryce Turang?

 

The Brewers have no internal 3B hitting the pipeline, and lose (if that is not too strong a word here) Jedd Gyroko to free agency after this season. Sure, they could rework their infield with Luis Urias at 3B and Orlando Arcia at SS. But they shouldn't.

 

Hader is going to get very expensive in arbitration And Burnes has some upside but not the corresponding success in MLB yet. Turang is a high value piece who probably immediately becomes a top 3 prospect in the Sox system, and allows them to deal for more pitching or deal Bogaerts if need be. (Need shouldn't be.)

 

Hader is still a reliever, correct? If you are moving Devers, you need starting pitching.

[notin]

Hader is still a reliever, correct? If you are moving Devers, you need starting pitching.

 

 

Burnes is a SP. Turang is another trade chip to get more pitching.

 

Tough to deal Devers for an established SP, since any team acquiring him will want to put their best team around him, which will include their SP.

 

And if the Sox have any weakness that rivals their pathetic rotation, it’s their bullpen. But at least their rotation can look forward to the potential returns of Sale and Rodriguez...

Edited August 13, 2020 by notin

[moonslav59]

Would you trade Devers to the Brewers for Hader, Corbin Burnes and minor league SS Bryce Turang?

 

The Brewers have no internal 3B hitting the pipeline, and lose (if that is not too strong a word here) Jedd Gyroko to free agency after this season. Sure, they could rework their infield with Luis Urias at 3B and Orlando Arcia at SS. But they shouldn't.

 

Hader is going to get very expensive in arbitration And Burnes has some upside but not the corresponding success in MLB yet. Turang is a high value piece who probably immediately becomes a top 3 prospect in the Sox system, and allows them to deal for more pitching or deal Bogaerts if need be. (Need shouldn't be.)

 

I'm not trading Devers, unless the return blows me away.

[notin]

I'm not trading Devers, unless the return blows me away.

 

Idoubt they move him. Dalbec maybe, but not Devers.

 

And for all the talk about how [pathetic the Sox rotation is, if Sale, Erod, and Darwinzon Hernandez all return next season, it can certainly improve by a substantial amount. Add in Eovaldi and Perez, and other than being overwhelmingly left-handed, is the rotation necessarily an area of weakness? Maybe realistically add one pitcher, since Sale is probably out until July.

 

Now the bullpen looks pathetic going forward. Especially if the Sox (as I predict) move Barnes and Workman. That leaves Hembree, Walden, Brice and Brasier atop the depth chart, whereas things would look a lot rosier if they were at the bottom of it...

[dgalehouse]

Bloom is doing a great job so far . ( Just ignore the scoreboard ) Really hit the ground running , so to speak . Traded the best player we have had in years . And signed some real " hidden gems " for the pitching staff. They call him " The Magic Man " for a reason .

[notin]

Bloom is doing a great job so far . ( Just ignore the scoreboard ) Really hit the ground running , so to speak . Traded the best player we have had in years . And signed some real " hidden gems " for the pitching staff. They call him " The Magic Man " for a reason .

 

Well, he inherited a pile of messy contracts and no farm system to speak of and was not allowed to spend any money. Not exactly an ideal situation. (In fact, probably about as bad of a situation any GM can be put in.)

 

Maybe the team had a better chance of keeping Betts if not for the extensions to Sale and Eovaldi. And if the Sox still had a few prospects to take on roles at minimum wage or to deal for cheaper MLB-caliber players.

If anyone anticipated immediate success, their wishes were unrealistic. Especially once the two best SP on the team went down, along with their best pitching prospect...

[dgalehouse]

Well, he inherited a pile of messy contracts and no farm system to speak of and was not allowed to spend any money. Not exactly an ideal situation. (In fact, probably about as bad of a situation any GM can be put in.)

 

Maybe the team had a better chance of keeping Betts if not for the extensions to Sale and Eovaldi. And if the Sox still had a few prospects to take on roles at minimum wage or to deal for cheaper MLB-caliber players.

If anyone anticipated immediate success, their wishes were unrealistic. Especially once the two best SP on the team went down, along with their best pitching prospect...

Excuses , excuses , excuses .

[mvp 78]

Bloom is doing a great job so far . ( Just ignore the scoreboard ) Really hit the ground running , so to speak . Traded the best player we have had in years . And signed some real " hidden gems " for the pitching staff. They call him " The Magic Man " for a reason .

 

He traded 60 games of Mookie for years of control for Verdugo/Downs/Wong. Seems ok to me.

[mvp 78]

Excuses , excuses , excuses .

 

Well, he couldn't re-sign Mookie or bring in other FA's if the owner won't open his checkbook.

[Nick]

So basically we have nothing in the pipeline when it comes to starting pitching? You'd think that would be topic #1 at their weekly meeting.

[mvp 78]

So basically we have nothing in the pipeline when it comes to starting pitching? You'd think that would be topic #1 at their weekly meeting.

 

It probably is. I think that's a problem that will take a few years to fix. If it was easy to get a great starting pitching pipeline, everyone would have one.

[notin]

It probably is. I think that's a problem that will take a few years to fix. If it was easy to get a great starting pitching pipeline, everyone would have one.

 

Well if the season lasts18 more days, the Sox reset becomes official and Bloom can spend again.

 

If he does, Trevor Bauer might be a good target. As I doubt Bauer maintains his "year to eyar" strategy throughout free agency, he should be on the Sox radar. And if the Sox can return to some of the big-spending ways, they should be among the frontrunners for his services.

 

One team potentially not among the frontrunner should be the Yankees, as they signed Gerrit Cole last year, creating two possible concerns. First, Cole takes up a substantial portion of their budget, and also apparently Cole and Bauer, despite being college teammates, apparently hate each other. Now, Bauer might be able to stomach Cole as a teammate again for the right price, but one has to wonder if going directly to Cole's rival (for the right price) also has some appeal to the rather vocal Bauer...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I don't think any GM is allowed to trade a starting position player for a reliever unless he's the last piece in a title run... even trading minor league starting position players for bullpen help is too risky (cough, Gleybar Torres).

 

There may even be an adage against trading for starting pitchers, since they're all one elbow tweak away from anchors you can't drop. I do think Cleveland will trade Lindor, though, as he becomes their own Betts' situation (hey, Boston: that's Cleveland, as in mid-market franchise...)

 

Regarding Bogaerts, how would diehard Sox fans feel about him if he didn't want to opt out after a few more years in suckitude? Sure, he's already got two rings and he loves Boston, but as much as we love him, do we really want a leader who's complacent? Can we realistically expect anyone in his prime to have the fire to gut it out and fly the phoenix out the ashes?

[Noles_1335]

Just curious... what will the next Devers contract look like and how will his health be perceived at that point?

[mvp 78]

Well if the season lasts18 more days, the Sox reset becomes official and Bloom can spend again.

 

If he does, Trevor Bauer might be a good target. As I doubt Bauer maintains his "year to eyar" strategy throughout free agency, he should be on the Sox radar. And if the Sox can return to some of the big-spending ways, they should be among the frontrunners for his services.

 

One team potentially not among the frontrunner should be the Yankees, as they signed Gerrit Cole last year, creating two possible concerns. First, Cole takes up a substantial portion of their budget, and also apparently Cole and Bauer, despite being college teammates, apparently hate each other. Now, Bauer might be able to stomach Cole as a teammate again for the right price, but one has to wonder if going directly to Cole's rival (for the right price) also has some appeal to the rather vocal Bauer...

 

That bit about Cole and Bauer would be good for the rivalry.

[mvp 78]

I don't think any GM is allowed to trade a starting position player for a reliever unless he's the last piece in a title run... even trading minor league starting position players for bullpen help is too risky (cough, Gleybar Torres).

 

There may even be an adage against trading for starting pitchers, since they're all one elbow tweak away from anchors you can't drop. I do think Cleveland will trade Lindor, though, as he becomes their own Betts' situation (hey, Boston: that's Cleveland, as in mid-market franchise...)

 

Regarding Bogaerts, how would diehard Sox fans feel about him if he didn't want to opt out after a few more years in suckitude? Sure, he's already got two rings and he loves Boston, but as much as we love him, do we really want a leader who's complacent? Can we realistically expect anyone in his prime to have the fire to gut it out and fly the phoenix out the ashes?

 

If Bogey leaves he's a traitor. If he stays he's complacent.

 

Quite the conundrum.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

If Bogey leaves he's a traitor. If he stays he's complacent.

 

Quite the conundrum.

 

I wouldn't see him as a traitor -- he's young, he's good and he's a winner. How could anyone blame him for wanting to play for a contender? He's already been candid about how "tough" it's been this summer, and they haven't even played 20 games yet.

 

Look, no one could have predicted a virus (that according to talking heads doesn't affect strong athletic types) to rob their actual ace from '19 of his entire season, or take down their two best young relievers... But the Sox suck and the front office deserves it, because they asked for it this year.

[mvp 78]

I wouldn't see him as a traitor -- he's young, he's good and he's a winner. How could anyone blame him for wanting to play for a contender? He's already been candid about how "tough" it's been this summer, and they haven't even played 20 games yet.

 

Look, no one could have predicted a virus (that according to talking heads doesn't affect strong athletic types) to rob their actual ace from '19 of his entire season, or take down their two best young relievers... But the Sox suck and the front office deserves it, because they asked for it this year.

 

It's hard for me to fault Bloom for this year. At best, they'd be .500. I think the decision to cut payroll and be stuck with old contracts is due to ownership.

[mvp 78]

@kileymcd

Sources: MLB is facilitating an Alternate Site video/data sharing system for clubs, with opt-in to share/receive. Will increase odds of trades leading up to the August 31st trade deadline, as Alternate Sites were a black box of information.

 

There's separate opt-ins for both data and video, as some Alternate Sites are limited in what the facility can accommodate. Clubs were instructed to share whatever info is recorded. Indications are about 2/3 of clubs have opted-in. Data/video flow to clubs hasn't started yet.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

It's hard for me to fault Bloom for this year. At best, they'd be .500. I think the decision to cut payroll and be stuck with old contracts is due to ownership.

 

I was definitely including the owners as part of the front office (if they're not sitting in it, then their Zoom faces are like Oz behind the curtain).

 

It's all been a perfect storm for Red Sox rivals (especially NY, whose own "cheating" report disappeared...) Start with Sale's elbow a year ago, then losing Cora, which I think has had a bigger effect on some players than we may never know. Boston is now without its All-Star Game starting pitcher from '17 /'18, its other ace pitcher from '19, its two leaders in innings pitched from '16-19, its two fastest young relievers from '19, and its best all-around player from the past half century...

 

We should give the Sox credit for actually winning 33% of their games so far. Ara-oooooooooooz!