2020 Trade Deadline

[harmony]

Dalbec is a good 3b, but the Gallo comps might be premature. While he could spot at 1b or in the OF, is he more valuable as a backup than the arm he might bring back?

Joey Gallo, who is less than 20 months older than Bobby Dalbec, is in his sixth MLB season after being a Top 10 prospect.

[moonslav59]

In 2021, maybe Downs can get a full season of AA ball. 2020 was always going to be a tank job. But if we look forward to 2021, does it make sense for Chavis to be part of the team? Same for Dalbec and Moreland.

 

Chavis isn’t a platoon option at 2b or 1b if we don’t get the LHH players at those position(s) to platoon with.

 

I had Chavis in nearly every trade values deal I submitted.

 

I also had Walden and Duran in many as I felt their stock was too high.

 

[harmony]

Joey Gallo, who is less than 20 months older than Bobby Dalbec, is in his sixth MLB season after being a Top 10 prospect.

Bobby Dalbec is a year younger than Will Middlebrooks was when the Red Sox traded the third baseman to San Diego for catcher Ryan Hanigan.

 

Middlebrooks, who had posted a .237/.284/.411/.695 line in 232 games with the Red Sox, came with three years of team control while Dalbec has six years of team control.

 

Do Dalbec and Middlebrooks have similar hitting profiles?

[mvp 78]

It’s impossible for me to know anything, but baseballtradevalues.com has the values for Chavis and Dalbec as nearly equal, and both about the same as Adam Civale

 

I just looked there and am surprised at how much trade value they allot to Chavis and Dalbec. Seems high to me. I mean, if the Rays wanted Chavis for Yarbrough, you make that trade right? If the Tigers wanted Chavis for Turnbull, you'd be dumb to turn it down, right?

[mvp 78]

Joey Gallo, who is less than 20 months older than Bobby Dalbec, is in his sixth MLB season after being a Top 10 prospect.

 

Nobody is saying he's as good as Gallo. Just saying he's a similar archetype. Jeez.....

[mvp 78]

Bobby Dalbec is a year younger than Will Middlebrooks was when the Red Sox traded the third baseman to San Diego for catcher Ryan Hanigan.

 

Middlebrooks, who had posted a .237/.284/.411/.695 line in 232 games with the Red Sox, came with three years of team control while Dalbec has six years of team control.

 

Do Dalbec and Middlebrooks have similar hitting profiles?

 

What would Middlebrooks' trade value have been in November 2012? Lower or higher than when he was traded during 2014?

[mvp 78]

I just traded Chavis/Dalbec/Barnes for Gallo. Now we don't have to talk about any of them anymore.

[mvp 78]

Nope, I rescinded my offer. I'm trading Barnes/Chavis for Kopech. Get it done Bloom.

[harmony]

The rebuilding Seattle Mariners traded for three members of their current starting rotation -- Marco Gonzales, Justus Sheffield and Justin Dunn -- all of whom remain under team control through 2025.

 

In July 2017 Seattle acquired lefthander Marco Gonzales from St. Louis in exchange for outfielder Tyler O'Neil, who then was a Top 40 prospect. Since the start of 2018 season Gonzales ranks 22nd among all pitchers in fWAR.

 

Coming off an 89-win season in 2018, the Mariners traded lefthander James Paxton to the Yankees for lefthander Justus Sheffield, righthander Erik Swanson and outfielder Dom Thompson-Williams. Sheffield has been inconsistent in the rotation but on Sunday pitched six shutout innings, giving up four hits while striking out seven and walking none.

 

In the same offseason Seattle traded closer Edwin Diaz, secondbaseman Robinson Cano and cash to the Mets for outfielder Jarred Kelenic, pitchers Justin Dunn and Gerson Bautista and spare parts. Dunn has struggled in the rotation but posted a quality start last night while Kelenic is a Top 12 prospect in baseball.

 

Meanwhile the Mariners drafted highly regarded college pitchers in the first rounds of the drafts in 2018, 2019 and 2020. Logan Gilbert, George Kirby and Emerson Hancock have all cracked at least one Top 100 prospect list.

 

The rebuild can be painful as evidenced by Seattle's 94 losses last year. But patience could pay off.

 

Or not.

[mvp 78]

Nobody gives a s*** about the Mariners, not even the people in Olympia.

[notin]

If you ignore Chavis' injury concerns (he's never played a full season professionally), I'd agree that the trade value would probably be a toss up between the two.

 

Be fair. Those weren’t all injuries. He does have a PED suspension too...

[mvp 78]

Be fair. Those weren’t all injuries. He does have a PED suspension too...

 

Oh yeah. Forgot about that one.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Been a rough year in so many ways .I want to give thanks to our Teachers who are about to embark on what seems a Moon mission .I would like to thank you folks here for a brief respite during a difficult emotionally draining time .The Redsox win or lose just brings me time to reflect on things not so earth shattering .Thankyou folks I truly don’t care if we are this bad so many great moments to last a lifetime we have shared . Night all

[Bellhorn04]

Been a rough year in so many ways .I want to give thanks to our Teachers who are about to embark on what seems a Moon mission .I would like to thank you folks here for a brief respite during a difficult emotionally draining time .The Redsox win or lose just brings me time to reflect on things not so earth shattering .Thankyou folks I truly don’t care if we are this bad so many great moments to last a lifetime we have shared . Night all

 

Very nice.

[jacksonianmarch]

Bobby Dalbec is a year younger than Will Middlebrooks was when the Red Sox traded the third baseman to San Diego for catcher Ryan Hanigan.

 

Middlebrooks, who had posted a .237/.284/.411/.695 line in 232 games with the Red Sox, came with three years of team control while Dalbec has six years of team control.

 

Do Dalbec and Middlebrooks have similar hitting profiles?

 

Dalbec has a .100 IsoPatience in the minors. He’s a three outcome hitter. Middlebrooks was different. He had zero patience. I think Dalbec provides a higher ceiling and the higher likelihood of having a longer big league career as his skill set translates well to today’s game

[moonslav59]

Dalbec has a .100 IsoPatience in the minors. He’s a three outcome hitter. Middlebrooks was different. He had zero patience. I think Dalbec provides a higher ceiling and the higher likelihood of having a longer big league career as his skill set translates well to today’s game

 

He's a plus defender, too, so that doesn't hurt.

[notin]

He's a plus defender, too, so that doesn't hurt.

 

But he is very blocked at his best position in Boston

[notin]

I just looked there and am surprised at how much trade value they allot to Chavis and Dalbec. Seems high to me. I mean, if the Rays wanted Chavis for Yarbrough, you make that trade right? If the Tigers wanted Chavis for Turnbull, you'd be dumb to turn it down, right?

 

I'd trade Dalbec for Turnbull yesterday. And given the Tigers surplus of pitching prospects and dearth of hitting prospects, they might consider it as well...

[notin]

I figure the Sox to defintely move Workman, and most likely Barnes and possibly Hembree as well. On the prospect front, the most likely trade bait figures to be Dalbec.

 

But what should they be trading for?

 

Starting pitchers are an obvious need, but also the most difficult to acquire. Based on today's roster and system, they are also to need a CF, assuming they are satisfied that Peraza can play 2B well enough to not prioritize the position. The rest of the lineup should be under control for one more year minimum, since the chances of them picking up Moreland's option are looking really, really obvious.

 

The rotation should return Eovaldi . I wouldn't call Perez a lockto return, but i would call his option likely, simply because right now the Sox have one returning starter. Sale and ERod are question marks. I like Godley so far, but I wouldn't call him a lock to return.

 

The bullpen without Barnes and Workman looks flat out pathetic. This is another major area of need...

[oldtimer]

I figure the Sox to defintely move Workman, and most likely Barnes and possibly Hembree as well. On the prospect front, the most likely trade bait figures to be Dalbec.

 

But what should they be trading for?

 

Starting pitchers are an obvious need, but also the most difficult to acquire. Based on today's roster and system, they are also to need a CF, assuming they are satisfied that Peraza can play 2B well enough to not prioritize the position. The rest of the lineup should be under control for one more year minimum, since the chances of them picking up Moreland's option are looking really, really obvious.

 

The rotation should return Eovaldi . I wouldn't call Perez a lockto return, but i would call his option likely, simply because right now the Sox have one returning starter. Sale and ERod are question marks. I like Godley so far, but I wouldn't call him a lock to return.

 

The bullpen without Barnes and Workman looks flat out pathetic. This is another major area of need...

 

The deadline will be reached in 19 days. After the Yankees, it should be obvious to all but the most die hard that the Sox are out of the playoffs so your points are well taken.

 

As for starters if Eovaldi can be counted on for an entire season in 2021, a big if, we have one starter. I do believe E-Rod will be whole and hope he is back. I would take Perez as a 4th or 5th starter. We may get a starter out of Mata or D-Hern. So we need at least one more quality starter through Trade or FA.

 

The BP wiil be a huge project and that is probably where we have to use our trade chips. While our existing BP will be broken up and younger arms brought in. Whatever happened to pitcher development. The best staffs have starters that can go 5 or 6 innings and then they can bring in numerous live arms that often shut you down. Hard to believe we get there in one year.

 

I believe we will need at least one outfielder to replace JBJ. He'll be too expensive for the value he brings.

 

Keeping Moreland is a good idea. He can platoon with one of our 3 young candidates for first. Chavis, Dalbec or Casas in 2022.

 

I would consider moving Downs up for second and back him up with a utility player. Take you choice, Peraza? Is Araz going to be our utility player for short and third? Dalbec coulc handle 3rd if he is with the team.

 

Don't know what will happen at DH. Reserve judgment until the trade deadline is passed.

[notin]

Downs has played 12 games above A ball. Casas has played 0 games above A ball. Neither should be on the radar for 2021.

 

Also Casas bats left-handed and is therefore not a good platoon partner with Moreland...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Downs has played 12 games above A ball. Casas has played 0 games above A ball. Neither should be on the radar for 2021.

 

Also Casas bats left-handed and is therefore not a good platoon partner with Moreland...

 

I just don't see any position player acquisitions, unless marketing feels the need for a splash signing (like maybe Springer). The only way the Red Sox can get back to respectability -- not even true contention -- but just 2019 mediocrity, is to restock the pitching staff with MLB talent. We can only hope ERod is ok, but how can anyone count on him when not even doctors or scientists know which end is up (is it Covid-19 or Covid-61)?

 

Right now I have more confidence of contributions in '21 from DHern and Taylor than ERod. Even with Eovaldi and Perez back, Boston will need three viable big league starters. There's no way the suddenly frugal owners will let Bloom splurge on three free agent pitchers, so expect a winter blockbuster... Tampa during Chaim's time always adhered to the old Branch Rickey adage of trading players a year too soon rather a year too late.

 

Everyone is on the block. Except maybe Arauz...

[notin]

I just don't see any position player acquisitions, unless marketing feels the need for a splash signing (like maybe Springer). The only way the Red Sox can get back to respectability -- not even true contention -- but just 2019 mediocrity, is to restock the pitching staff with MLB talent. We can only hope ERod is ok, but how can anyone count on him when not even doctors or scientists know which end is up (is it Covid-19 or Covid-61)?

 

Right now I have more confidence of contributions in '21 from DHern and Taylor than ERod. Even with Eovaldi and Perez back, Boston will need three viable big league starters. There's no way the suddenly frugal owners will let Bloom splurge on three free agent pitchers, so expect a winter blockbuster... Tampa during Chaim's time always adhered to the old Branch Rickey adage of trading players a year too soon rather a year too late.

 

Everyone is on the block. Except maybe Arauz...

 

In the right deal, I imagine anyone would be on the block. Even Devers. I just can't envision what that "right deal" would be...

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

The best chance of a parade in Boston this year is the BRUINS.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

In the right deal, I imagine anyone would be on the block. Even Devers. I just can't envision what that "right deal" would be...

 

In the recent past, the right deal was Pavano and Armas for Pedro Martinez, or Fossum, Lyons, DeLaRosa for Schilling, or Moncada and Kopech for Chris Sale. It's amazing how many borderline Hall of Fame pitchers the modern Red Sox acquired for prospects.

 

But all those trades came when Boston was a contender, and rebuilding also-rans could no longer afford their star players. The Dodgers, looking for a push over the top, swung one of those steals last winter.

 

The Sox are the rebuilding non-contender now. This time, they're going to have no choice but to give up quality for quantity. They already started the process moving Mookie; why stop now?

[notin]

In the recent past, the right deal was Pavano and Armas for Pedro Martinez, or Fossum, Lyons, DeLaRosa for Schilling, or Moncada and Kopech for Chris Sale. It's amazing how many borderline Hall of Fame pitchers the modern Red Sox acquired for prospects.

 

But all those trades came when Boston was a contender, and rebuilding also-rans could no longer afford their star players. The Dodgers, looking for a push over the top, swung one of those steals last winter.

 

The Sox are the rebuilding non-contender now. This time, they're going to have no choice but to give up quality for quantity. They already started the process moving Mookie; why stop now?

 

Well, the Sox also had a farm system with players other teams wanted, too. That's a bigger factor than whether or not they were contending. The Red Sox were not really all that great before they got Pedro, actually...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Well, the Sox also had a farm system with players other teams wanted, too. That's a bigger factor than whether or not they were contending. The Red Sox were not really all that great before they got Pedro, actually...

 

True, but they were one of the few clubs that could afford to pay a great player about to enter his prime. And as soon as they got him, they bowled him over with a longterm extension to secure his superstar services for a long time. The move basically ensured their status as a contender for the length of his contract --

 

...any of this sound familiar to current fans on opposite coasts?

[notin]

True, but they were one of the few clubs that could afford to pay a great player about to enter his prime. And as soon as they got him, they bowled him over with a longterm extension to secure his superstar services for a long time. The move basically ensured their status as a contender for the length of his contract --

 

...any of this sound familiar to current fans on opposite coasts?

 

But the bottom line - they had something to offer. I'm sure you heard the story about how upset George Steinbrenner was when the Red Sox acquired Pedro. Someone on his staff had to tell him "We could have had him if we had still had Tony Armas."

 

Right now, not sure what the Sox can offer or will offer. They do desperately need pitching. But I doubt they go all in for threee starters. Possibly just one big name, like Trevor Bauer. In the lineup, a lot depends on what happens with JDM.

 

But this team, as awful as it is, did win 118 games two years ago and should at some point get back Sale and hopefully Rodriguez. Those are both immense losses right now...

[notin]

True, but they were one of the few clubs that could afford to pay a great player about to enter his prime. And as soon as they got him, they bowled him over with a longterm extension to secure his superstar services for a long time. The move basically ensured their status as a contender for the length of his contract --

 

...any of this sound familiar to current fans on opposite coasts?

 

I think the 2021 rotation probably contains Eovaldi, Erod (hopefully), Perez, Hernandez and a free agent. Godley might be able to hang on as a depth starter or ERod insurance, but it's a bit early to tell. So if they add, say, Bauer to that mix, it looks a lot more resepctable. Especially when Sale comes back.

 

Now the bullpen is anybody's guess. Walden, Taylor, and Brice probably all return, if for no other reason than there is no one else left. And maybe Godley if he is not in the rotation. So hopefully they get something good when they trade Workman, Barnes and possibly Hembree and either Dalbec or Chavis...

[oldtimer]

I see Beni is on the IL. Good idea but don't know who will come up as a replacement.