Roenicke

[Dalas21000]

Why use so many relievers today again?why not let Brice pitch 2 or 3 innings...and just be done with it lol

[illinoisredsox]

Why?

 

Brice is a two pitch pitcher. Those guys typically don't fare well as starters unless one of those pitchers is a very plus pitch. Brice does not have a plus pitch.

 

Why use so many relievers today again?why not let Brice pitch 2 or 3 innings...and just be done with it lol

 

It's modern baseball. Relievers just don't seem to think they can pitch an inning (or part of one), sit down for 10 minutes while their team is batting, and then go back out and do it again. Part of it is the way they are used in the minors. The one's who can do it are generally recently converted starters.

 

Personally, it's something that ought to be worked on in a normal spring training. Pitch a guy for an out or 2, sit him down and send him back out again. That could be done in an exhibition game or in a simulated one. This year was not a normal spring training, so I'll give a pass on it this time around.

 

As for Brice, he looks like he could be a fairly reliable middle reliever, but he's been up and down for 5 years seasons for a reason. Three decent games does not warrant an expanded bullpen role.

[jacksonianmarch]

You’ve got guys who can go multiple days in a week and guys who can go multiple innings in a day. There are few guys who can do multiple innings in a day multiple times per week. Brice is a two pitch pitcher, one who doesn’t have a strong track record. If your goal is to foster success and confidence, you try and keep him to what he knows, which is short duration. As a two pitch, short relief guy, he’s going to serve up some meatballs as he gets tired. That 2 seamer will lose depth, the slider will spin. And then, at that point, you’ll all be blaming Roenicke for leaving him in

[mvp 78]

Brice’s offspeed pitch was ass last night.

[oldtimer]

Hitting major league pitching is tough with the starters equipped with 3 to 5 good pitches and usually high velo, then the pull pen can throw a ton of arms at you with over 95 mph velo and a couple of good pitches. With the advent of the home run or bust mentality one would think averages would be down. Still these are guys who are not looking HR and can hit to all fields. On the Sox, several of the players appear to have little enthusiasm for the game, so guys like Verdugo, Bogie, Vaz and Pillar who continue to battle and have a good attitude stand out.

 

Does Roenicke have to light a fire under some guys to get them to play or is he so laid back that he isn't a guy that can motivate players. Personally, I think the players should have the motivation without help as their careers depend on them playing with fire. Hit the ball or hit the road.

[Larry Cook]

Roenicke is playing out the string!

 

His over use of relievers could harm us next season.

[Bellhorn04]

Roenicke is playing out the string!

 

His over use of relievers could harm us next season.

 

What the hell does that mean?

[mvp 78]

What the hell does that mean?

 

Also, how could he possibly use the relievers less?

[Bellhorn04]

Also, how could he possibly use the relievers less?

 

Exactly. Plus how would burning out a few stiffs harm us next season?

 

It's a mystery on multiple levels.

[notin]

Exactly. Plus how would burning out a few stiffs harm us next season?

 

It's a mystery on multiple levels.

 

Not to mention, it’s already mid-August. There won’t be enough games this year to burn out the bullpen...

[mvp 78]

Not to mention, it’s already mid-August. There won’t be enough games this year to burn out the bullpen...

 

If these guys get worn out, just grab the other stiffs from Pawtucket.

 

It’s interesting that there was a story about Brian Johnson being the #4 guy on opening day, but he’s still in player pool purgatory.

[notin]

If these guys get worn out, just grab the other stiffs from Pawtucket.

 

It’s interesting that there was a story about Brian Johnson being the #4 guy on opening day, but he’s still in player pool purgatory.

 

I would think stories about Johnson bring the #4 guy were more about the state of the Sox rotation than about Johnson...

[Noles_1335]

What really needs to be assessed is the hitting coach.... at this rate we are going to be last in hitting

[mvp 78]

I would think stories about Johnson bring the #4 guy were more about the state of the Sox rotation than about Johnson...

 

But if he still can’t crack this rotation???

[notin]

But if he still can’t crack this rotation???

 

 

Oh Johnson is probably worthless.

 

If we had to look ahead a year, obviously starting pitching is the Sox top need, followed by bullpen. Then maybe whatever positions need filling. Not sure who from within has a shot at any position in 2021...

[Dalas21000]

Oh great now Vazquez and Devers are sitting....both have good numbers against Yarborough....Good job coach!

[Dalas21000]

And we're starting Ryan Brasier? This is gnna be bad lol

[Dalas21000]

O look..Benintendis leading off again....lol

[oldtimer]

O look..Benintendis leading off again....lol

 

Maybe Roenicke has seen something in practice. No one else is hitting in lead off and Devers is still out. What is he goinng to do?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Maybe Roenicke has seen something in practice. No one else is hitting in lead off and Devers is still out. What is he goinng to do?

 

Devers looks nothing like the hitter who continually improved from the second half of 2018 through last season. Injuries or weight issues aside, he is swinging at way too many pitches out of the zone, while pulling his head and missing strikes. There is no more approach to stay on the ball and take it to left with authority, and he looks befuddled, as if he keeps guessing wrong. Even his focus on defense has been inconsistent again.

 

Bottom line: Devers appears lost without Alex Cora. Reviving a young slugger who led the majors in extra bases is just another legitimate reason for the Sox to consider bringing back Cora. If they don't, don't be surprised if Devers is part of a blockbuster trade to revive the roster.

[Bellhorn04]

Devers looks nothing like the hitter who continually improved from the second half of 2018 through last season. Injuries or weight issues aside, he is swinging at way too many pitches out of the zone, while pulling his head and missing strikes. There is no more approach to stay on the ball and take it to left with authority, and he looks befuddled, as if he keeps guessing wrong. Even his focus on defense has been inconsistent again.

 

Bottom line: Devers appears lost without Alex Cora. Reviving a young slugger who led the majors in extra bases is just another legitimate reason for the Sox to consider bringing back Cora. If they don't, don't be surprised if Devers is part of a blockbuster trade to revive the roster.

 

They're not going to trade Devers. That would be the ultimate freak-out move.

Edited August 13, 2020 by Bellhorn04

[mvp 78]

Devers looks nothing like the hitter who continually improved from the second half of 2018 through last season. Injuries or weight issues aside, he is swinging at way too many pitches out of the zone, while pulling his head and missing strikes. There is no more approach to stay on the ball and take it to left with authority, and he looks befuddled, as if he keeps guessing wrong. Even his focus on defense has been inconsistent again.

 

Bottom line: Devers appears lost without Alex Cora. Reviving a young slugger who led the majors in extra bases is just another legitimate reason for the Sox to consider bringing back Cora. If they don't, don't be surprised if Devers is part of a blockbuster trade to revive the roster.

 

1. Don't trade players when they are struggling because the return wouldn't be as good as you need it to be.

2. I think JD and Devers are both struggling because of the changes to how the hitting coaches can interact with players and the limited interaction with legal in game video.

3. Also, this short season is really going to pronounce streaks both good and bad. The end of the year leader boards will probably look really weird this year.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

1. Don't trade players when they are struggling because the return wouldn't be as good as you need it to be.

2. I think JD and Devers are both struggling because of the changes to how the hitting coaches can interact with players and the limited interaction with legal in game video.

3. Also, this short season is really going to pronounce streaks both good and bad. The end of the year leader boards will probably look really weird this year.

 

The problem I worry about with #1 is that for guys who have won, sometimes they need a change of scenery to embrace new challenges. On the obverse, new players who haven't achieved a title goal often relish the chance to be part of a rebuild, hungering together for the ultimate payoff (pun intended).

 

Good point on #2; as for #3... JD hasn't really changed -- his swing is the same, doing damage on balls in the zone, flailing at off-speed stuff down and away. The guys who look lost mentally are Devers and Beni, but both are young enough to mature their games and hone their skills.

[notin]

1. Don't trade players when they are struggling because the return wouldn't be as good as you need it to be.

2. I think JD and Devers are both struggling because of the changes to how the hitting coaches can interact with players and the limited interaction with legal in game video.

3. Also, this short season is really going to pronounce streaks both good and bad. The end of the year leader boards will probably look really weird this year.

 

Unless you are a believer in that Arauz can maintain pace with Devers in RBIs over a full season...

[notin]

They're not going to trade Devers. That would be the ultimate freak-out move.

 

It's hard to match him up.

 

San Diego, for example, has the pitching prospects in Mackenzie Gore and Luis Patino. But they also have 3B locked up with Machado for the forseeable future. And they can't move Machado to SS, where they have Fernando Tatis. And they can't move Devers to 1B, because they have a lot of money tied up in Eric Hosmer at that position.

 

The Dodgers have youn pitcing prospects, and might need a 3B for next season. But Friedman appears unlikely to move any of them.

 

The Nats could use Devers at 3B. But they have no pitching prospects worth considering in a deal.

[mvp 78]

Unless you are a believer in that Arauz can maintain pace with Devers in RBIs over a full season...

 

I believe in the Secret of the Arauz.

[mvp 78]

One thing you can fault Bloom for:

 

https://twitter.com/PitchingNinja/status/1293949824979677185

[notin]

One thing you can fault Bloom for:

 

https://twitter.com/PitchingNinja/status/1293949824979677185

 

I already have. multiple times...

[Larry Cook]

Roenicke is a complete waste of oxygen!

[Swiharts Ghost]

Guy gets nothing from this team zip pull the plug NOW.I thought we could make it through this season without firing someone ....uhhhh no .The guy is nice but there is noooooo way you continue with this dumpster fire there is no improvement there is no way you continue with him managing this team .Bring in Tek Bring in Pedey just for Gods sake do something Chaim .What a disaster Chaim Bloom has left this team with Disgusting. Edited August 15, 2020 by Swiharts Ghost