Spring Training 2020

[Slasher9]

@joonlee

Chris Sale has been dealing with the flu that turned into a mild case of pneumonia during the last week and a half. Roenicke talked to him on the phone today, and said “he feels really good.” Sale will be re-evaluated on Friday.

 

for players weekend sale should roll with covid 19 on his back...

[mvp 78]

for players weekend sale should roll with covid 19 on his back...

 

Quarantine Sale.

[mvp 78]

@ChrisCotillo

The Red Sox are not sure if Dustin Pedroia will report to camp with the rest of the position players over the weekend:

[Slasher9]

The most comical scene Wednesday surrounded infield prospect Jeter Downs, acquired from the Dodgers, who became an overnight fan favorite and media darling, named after a certain Yankee icon who’s going to be inducted into the Hall of Fame in July.

 

“Hey Jeter!’’ one fan yelled. “You’re better than Derek!’’

 

If nothing else, one day, there really will be a Jeter cheered at Fenway Park.

 

“You get bombarded with this whole name thing,’’ said Downs, who grew up a Yankee fan with his father a Red Sox fan. “It’s pretty cool to be traded for arguably a top-five player in the game. I guess my mom knew what she was doing when she named me Jeter. She just liked how he was, the way he played the game, so she gave me the name.

 

“I obviously have the name, so I know of had to be a fan of his.’’

[moonslav59]

The most comical scene Wednesday surrounded infield prospect Jeter Downs, acquired from the Dodgers, who became an overnight fan favorite and media darling, named after a certain Yankee icon who’s going to be inducted into the Hall of Fame in July.

 

“Hey Jeter!’’ one fan yelled. “You’re better than Derek!’’

 

If nothing else, one day, there really will be a Jeter cheered at Fenway Park.

 

“You get bombarded with this whole name thing,’’ said Downs, who grew up a Yankee fan with his father a Red Sox fan. “It’s pretty cool to be traded for arguably a top-five player in the game. I guess my mom knew what she was doing when she named me Jeter. She just liked how he was, the way he played the game, so she gave me the name.

 

“I obviously have the name, so I know of had to be a fan of his.’’

 

He needs to renounce his Jeter fandom or be traded.

[notin]

The most comical scene Wednesday surrounded infield prospect Jeter Downs, acquired from the Dodgers, who became an overnight fan favorite and media darling, named after a certain Yankee icon who’s going to be inducted into the Hall of Fame in July.

 

“Hey Jeter!’’ one fan yelled. “You’re better than Derek!’’

 

If nothing else, one day, there really will be a Jeter cheered at Fenway Park.

 

“You get bombarded with this whole name thing,’’ said Downs, who grew up a Yankee fan with his father a Red Sox fan. “It’s pretty cool to be traded for arguably a top-five player in the game. I guess my mom knew what she was doing when she named me Jeter. She just liked how he was, the way he played the game, so she gave me the name.

 

“I obviously have the name, so I know of had to be a fan of his.’’

 

His Red Sox fan father named him Jeter? This could should be named Nomaah Downs!!

[mvp 78]

He needs to renounce his Jeter fandom or be traded.

 

Well, we were never able to trade thunder to another board.

[mvp 78]

@joonlee

Roenicke talked to Dustin Pedroia, who is still dealing with knee issues following his setback and won’t be reporting to Spring Training on Monday with the rest of the position players. #RedSox

[mvp 78]

@RedSox

Jeter reporting for #SoxSpring!

^ A tweet we never thought we’d send.

[mvp 78]

@Dan_Shaughnessy

Kevin pillar just arrived in Red Sox clubhouse

[mvp 78]

@PeteAbe

Attendance for the first #RedSox full-squad workout in recent years:

 

2017: 1,287

2018: 1,360

2019: 1,525

2020: 1,033

[Slasher9]

@PeteAbe

Attendance for the first #RedSox full-squad workout in recent years:

 

2017: 1,287

2018: 1,360

2019: 1,525

2020: 1,033

 

i think we will be seeing drops similar to this all season long.

[mvp 78]

Waiting on the panic move of re-signing Mookie this fall........

[Slasher9]

Waiting on the panic move of re-signing Mookie this fall........

 

that is the strategic move.

the panic move is when the jump duran into the show in june....

[a700hitter]

Waiting on the panic move of re-signing Mookie this fall........

Yep, as much as I think trading Mookie a year early was a mistake, it would be an even bigger mistake to outbid the field to sign him to a ridiculous long term deal. I just wanted to see Mookie one more year with the rest of the core squad and make a strong run on 2020.

[Kimmi]

Yep, as much as I think trading Mookie a year early was a mistake, it would be an even bigger mistake to outbid the field to sign him to a ridiculous long term deal. I just wanted to see Mookie one more year with the rest of the core squad and make a strong run on 2020.

 

I thought it made a lot of sense to keep Mookie this year and reset next year. That said, it also makes a lot of sense to do what the Sox did. Either way, I agree about not signing Mookie to a ridiculous long term dea.

[Elktonnick]

I thought it made a lot of sense to keep Mookie this year and reset next year. That said, it also makes a lot of sense to do what the Sox did. Either way, I agree about not signing Mookie to a ridiculous long term dea.

 

Obviously I wanted Mookie to remain in Boston this year unless the Red Sox were out of it at the trade deadline. However from a business standpoint it is equally obvious that the Red Sox are suffering huge backlash at the gate. At some point that backlash could be such that trading Mookie could become a huge financial mistake despite whatever LUX TAX savings. Right now ticket sales are down 15%, last week Kennedy said they were down 6%. If they drop 20 to 25%, that could be from about 600,000 to over 700,000 fans.(I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss such a possibility) That would be one hell of a financial hit especially if were to last for more than a one year.

 

Red Sox fans are not only pissed at the trade but also the increase in ticket prices. This could get real ugly

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Obviously I wanted Mookie to remain in Boston this year unless the Red Sox were out of it at the trade deadline. However from a business standpoint it is equally obvious that the Red Sox are suffering huge backlash at the gate. At some point that backlash could be such that trading Mookie could become a huge financial mistake despite whatever LUX TAX savings. Right now ticket sales are down 15%, last week Kennedy said they were down 6%. If they drop 20 to 25%, that could be from about 600,000 to over 700,000 fans.(I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss such a possibility) That would be one hell of a financial hit especially if were to last for more than a one year.

 

Red Sox fans are not only pissed at the trade but also the increase in ticket prices. This could get real ugly

 

If Mookie has a great year and the Sox have a crap year -- and the latter is reflected in fan support at the gate and on the tube -- Boston would have to pay more than Betts' camp ever asked before to bring him back. It may actually even be worth it to the brand, but they'd never admit that... so he's gone for good.

 

Now, what pitchers will be available by July for our (hallelujah) flexible payroll to invest in? I think guys from teams having disappointing years might be better bargains than young break-out arms from predicted non-contenders. Possible sellers: Cleveland, Cincinnati... Houston.

[vegasbob]

I have nothing against Verdugo, ok with the trade for all the reasons expressed by others, and would love him to have a great year and extended stint in Boston. But can he STFU until he can get on the field and actually play, then he can talk. This motormouth is very impressed with himself. Get healthy and then do something worth talking about Verdugo.

[Kimmi]

If Mookie has a great year and the Sox have a crap year -- and the latter is reflected in fan support at the gate and on the tube -- Boston would have to pay more than Betts' camp ever asked before to bring him back. It may actually even be worth it to the brand, but they'd never admit that... so he's gone for good.

 

Now, what pitchers will be available by July for our (hallelujah) flexible payroll to invest in? I think guys from teams having disappointing years might be better bargains than young break-out arms from predicted non-contenders. Possible sellers: Cleveland, Cincinnati... Houston.

 

I have nothing against the Dodgers, and would likely even root for them once the Sox are out of it, but I really hope they don't win the WS this year (unless they're playing against the Yankees). That is something that we would never hear the end of.

[notin]

If Mookie has a great year and the Sox have a crap year -- and the latter is reflected in fan support at the gate and on the tube -- Boston would have to pay more than Betts' camp ever asked before to bring him back. It may actually even be worth it to the brand, but they'd never admit that... so he's gone for good.

 

 

Based on what? Mookie wanting revenge?

 

The amount the Red Sox have to pay is based on what other teams are willing to pay, not based on their record from the previous year.

 

If no team is willing to pay him 12 years $360 million, they the price for the Red Sox doesn't increase over the original 12yr / $420mill demand. It goes down. Unless Mookie is willing to leave a ton of money on the table, which is the one thing he seems to have any reluctance to do....

[moonslav59]

Maybe the loss in revenue will be enough evidence to convince Sox management to offer Betts the best offer next winter.

 

With a reset under our belt, half of Price's contract off the books and maybe another $20+ M coming off the books after 2020 (JBJ, Pillar, Workman and options for Perez & Moreland), we are much better positioned to make such an offer, if we are so inclined to do so, than had we not made this deal.

 

The following winter sees us losing Pedey, Barnes and Hembree (hopefully not ERod).

 

I'm all for making a play for Betts, but the fact is, we'll be able to spend on something very useful for years to come.

[mvp 78]

I have nothing against the Dodgers, and would likely even root for them once the Sox are out of it, but I really hope they don't win the WS this year (unless they're playing against the Yankees). That is something that we would never hear the end of.

 

Because of Mookie or the cheating of previous years?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Based on what? Mookie wanting revenge?

 

The amount the Red Sox have to pay is based on what other teams are willing to pay, not based on their record from the previous year.

 

If no team is willing to pay him 12 years $360 million, they the price for the Red Sox doesn't increase over the original 12yr / $420mill demand. It goes down. Unless Mookie is willing to leave a ton of money on the table, which is the one thing he seems to have any reluctance to do....

 

We really don't know the actual numbers in the Sox' offers to Mookie or even if there were negotiations; most reports suggest there weren't any -- the only number ever attributed to Betts' camp was $420M, their price required to buy out his free agency. All we can do is speculate... but let's even say Boston caved in the past year and agreed to meet his asking AAV of $35M or even exceed it to $36M (say, 10 for $360) -- Whatever it was (if it was), Mookie still didn't sign.

 

Instead they traded his butt out of Boston. Now envision the Sox tank and trade all his buds like JBJ and JD and look like a non-contender for the next few rebuilding years. Meanwhile, Betts has another MVP-type year and goes far in the postseason on a team that has already finished first the last seven seasons without him. Both of these scenarios are certainly possibilities.

 

If the latter occurs, Mookie's asking price a year from now very well could be around half a billion dollars. It will definitely be higher than it was the last time the Sox talked to him. He may not get his asking price, but some team may deem his value -- at the then-current top of the market price -- at a higher number than what he once wanted from Henry to stay in Boston. And if the Red Sox really want him back, they may have no choice but to pay a premium above say, one single dollar more than his highest other offer.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

That was a long-ass reply which should've just read, "I'm fairly certain that in a year from now, Mookie's asking price will be higher than ever..." (which should be all we need to know about the chances of Boston re-signing him... except that it's fickle, mercurial Boston)

[Larry Cook]

Where does Myers play if we acquire him?

[moonslav59]

Where does Myers play if we acquire him?

 

1B, corner OF, DH. Weird acquisition, unless Bloom thinks the world of Quantrill.

 

Maybe we trade JBJ or Beni. Maybe we trade Chavis.

[moonslav59]

That was a long-ass reply which should've just read, "I'm fairly certain that in a year from now, Mookie's asking price will be higher than ever..." (which should be all we need to know about the chances of Boston re-signing him... except that it's fickle, mercurial Boston)

 

Betts can ask and demand all he wants, but the price will be set by the highest bid from a GM.

 

Once we know what that is, then we can haggle about the Sox not one upping that bid, or not.

 

The Sox are pretty good at valuing their own talent and offering a fair contract and not going much higher.

 

I still think we have a better chance by trading him, but that assumes we want to pay what it will take. I'm not sure we do or should, but to me, we should offer a big contract (maybe $400M/13) and then let the chips fall where they may.

[notin]

We really don't know the actual numbers in the Sox' offers to Mookie or even if there were negotiations; most reports suggest there weren't any -- the only number ever attributed to Betts' camp was $420M, their price required to buy out his free agency. All we can do is speculate... but let's even say Boston caved in the past year and agreed to meet his asking AAV of $35M or even exceed it to $36M (say, 10 for $360) -- Whatever it was (if it was), Mookie still didn't sign.

 

Instead they traded his butt out of Boston. Now envision the Sox tank and trade all his buds like JBJ and JD and look like a non-contender for the next few rebuilding years. Meanwhile, Betts has another MVP-type year and goes far in the postseason on a team that has already finished first the last seven seasons without him. Both of these scenarios are certainly possibilities.

 

If the latter occurs, Mookie's asking price a year from now very well could be around half a billion dollars. It will definitely be higher than it was the last time the Sox talked to him. He may not get his asking price, but some team may deem his value -- at the then-current top of the market price -- at a higher number than what he once wanted from Henry to stay in Boston. And if the Red Sox really want him back, they may have no choice but to pay a premium above say, one single dollar more than his highest other offer.

 

As far as we know, Betts’ price to every team is one dollar more than the next highest. Not sure why you’re singling out the Red Sox here or what Bradley and Martinez have to do with it...

[notin]

That was a long-ass reply which should've just read, "I'm fairly certain that in a year from now, Mookie's asking price will be higher than ever..." (which should be all we need to know about the chances of Boston re-signing him... except that it's fickle, mercurial Boston)

 

Unless teams don’t quite meet them. If that’s the case, expect a prolonged free agency for Betts that drags into February...