Spring Training 2020

[mvp 78]

@SoxProspects

Late lineup update: #SP60 Jeter Downs (ranked 2) is making his spring Red Sox debut playing shortstop and batting 3rd in place of C.J. Chatham. Promptly rips a base hit in his first AB.

[a700hitter]

@SoxProspects

Late lineup update: #SP60 Jeter Downs (ranked 2) is making his spring Red Sox debut playing shortstop and batting 3rd in place of C.J. Chatham. Promptly rips a base hit in his first AB.

Another little guy.

[mvp 78]

Another little guy.

 

Downs is 2 inches taller than Mookie.

[jad]

Another little guy.

 

Little guys rule!

 

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2020/02/21/blue-jackets-nathan-gerbe-travis-sanheim-fight-video

[Slasher9]

@SoxProspects

Late lineup update: #SP60 Jeter Downs (ranked 2) is making his spring Red Sox debut playing shortstop and batting 3rd in place of C.J. Chatham. Promptly rips a base hit in his first AB.

 

jeeeeetttttte!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Downs is 2 inches taller than Mookie.

 

Then he'll never break down, lose his strength, lose his speed, and lose his value. Sign Jeter for 10 years!

[mvp 78]

Huskies - 2

Baby Sox - 8

 

It's currently the 5th inning and my prediction is looking fantastic.

[a700hitter]

Why don't they play BC anymore?

[mvp 78]

Why don't they play BC anymore?

 

IDK. They didn't play them last year either.

[mvp 78]

Eagles are playing at ASU tonight.

[Kimmi]

They’ll go away for the most part once the games start.

 

But they will come back if the Dodgers win the WS.

[Kimmi]

Omg greatest post of 2020 by a mile ! Has to be said more often .

 

Thanks. You can click on the "multi-quote" button and have that post repeated with every one of your posts, like Moon did.

[Kimmi]

It's not unreasonable for Betts to ask for that much.

 

By the same token, it's not unreasonable for the Red Sox to not want to pay that much.

 

Yeah, it kind of is unreasonable for Betts to ask for that much.

[mvp 78]

Thanks. You can click on the "multi-quote" button and have that post repeated with every one of your posts, like Moon did.

 

Please God no.

[TylerD]

Thanks. You can click on the "multi-quote" button and have that post repeated with every one of your posts, like Moon did.

 

Lmao.

[oldtimer]

Yeah, it kind of is unreasonable for Betts to ask for that much.

 

To me the question is whether it makes sense to get every last penny a player can get. I sense that many young people would answer that it does. When does the idea of enough money to live comfortably with perfect security get realized, while other values also come are considered? How many fancy houses, cars, airplanes, vacations, jewelry, etc does one person need to make them happy?

 

When one player breaks the bank, other players have a lot less to divy up so perhaps the chance of winning goes down. Is winning important?

 

A player may choose an environment to live in and raise a family in, but does that choice get prioritized as much as the desire to get every last dollar?

 

I am older (old) and am comfortably off financially. I would suggest to any player that they should consider more than just the most money when they negotiate their contracts.

[jad]

To me the question is whether it makes sense to get every last penny a player can get. I sense that many young people would answer that it does. When does the idea of enough money to live comfortably with perfect security get realized, while other values also come are considered? How many fancy houses, cars, airplanes, vacations, jewelry, etc does one person need to make them happy?

 

When one player breaks the bank, other players have a lot less to divy up so perhaps the chance of winning goes down. Is winning important?

 

A player may choose an environment to live in and raise a family in, but does that choice get prioritized as much as the desire to get every last dollar?

 

I am older (old) and am comfortably off financially. I would suggest to any player that they should consider more than just the most money when they negotiate their contracts.

 

I agree with you, of course. The problem is that players (who at that level do not 'need' anything) do not see money as a commodity, but rather as a sign of their own worth. Thus, they want $1 more than player x. Where I worked, I know of senior colleagues who would make that specific demand to their bosses. But it's odd that fans complain about the salaries of entertainers--they do not complain about the money the owners make, nor how they 'acquired' (i.e., 'stole') the obscene amounts of money required to own a sports franchise as essentially a plaything.

[Elktonnick]

I agree with you, of course. The problem is that players (who at that level do not 'need' anything) do not see money as a commodity, but rather as a sign of their own worth. Thus, they want $1 more than player x. Where I worked, I know of senior colleagues who would make that specific demand to their bosses. But it's odd that fans complain about the salaries of entertainers--they do not complain about the money the owners make, nor how they 'acquired' (i.e., 'stole') the obscene amounts of money required to own a sports franchise as essentially a plaything.

I think to suggest that John Henry or for that matter any owner obtained the capital required to buy a major league franchise dishonestly without any shred of evidence is what is obscene.

Edited February 22, 2020 by Elktonnick

[jad]

I think to suggest that John Henry or for that matter any owner obtained the capital required to buy a major league franchise dishonestly without any shred of evidence is what is obscene.

 

Depends on your definition of honest. But to be clear, I don't believe anyone who amasses that kind of money came by it ethically. To claim they did is (to me) like claiming poor people deserve to be poor, or are so because they are not as smart, hard-working, or virtuous as those who are rich. (I have no real interest in investigating whether one greedy, self-interested billionaire is more or less awful than the next.)

I watch sports to escape all these considerations, but sometimes, it's unavoidable.

Edited February 22, 2020 by jad

[Bellhorn04]

Depends on your definition of honest. But to be clear, I don't believe anyone who amasses that kind of money came by it ethically. To claim they did is (to me) like claiming poor people deserve to be poor, or are so because they are not as smart, hard-working, or virtuous as those who are rich.

 

Henry made his fortune in the commodities market, didn't he?

 

What you seem to be saying is that shrewd investing/trading is a form of theft, even if it's done in a way that's perfectly legal.

[Elktonnick]

Depends on your definition of honest. But to be clear, I don't believe anyone who amasses that kind of money came by it ethically. To claim they did is (to me) like claiming poor people deserve to be poor, or are so because they are not as smart, hard-working, or virtuous as those who are rich. (I have no real interest in investigating whether one greedy, self-interested billionaire is more or less awful than the next.)

I watch sports to escape all these considerations, but sometimes, it's unavoidable.

 

What a wonderful sophomoric and smug attitude You obviously have absolutely no understanding of economics. While not all rich are virtuous neither are all the poor. Many of the poor are so because of extremely poor choices on their part. Many of the rich are so because of some excellent choices on their part. BTW Did Derek Jeter come by his fortune unethically.

[mvp 78]

@peteabe

 

Sox are planning for a more full-time role with the MLB team for Jason Varitek. Still working that out.

[notin]

Henry made his fortune in the commodities market, didn't he?

.

 

Nope. Lotto...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

What a wonderful sophomoric and smug attitude You obviously have absolutely no understanding of economics. While not all rich are virtuous neither are all the poor. Many of the poor are so because of extremely poor choices on their part. Many of the rich are so because of some excellent choices on their part. BTW Did Derek Jeter come by his fortune unethically.

 

We'll probably never know the answer to that question, since Jeter played in an era -- and on a team -- when many players enhanced performances through chemistry; the issue was so prevalent that all players from that time are still suspects.

 

It was very similar to the current era -- when traditions were enhanced by technology -- and where the article that exposed the problem identified it as happening "everywhere" (thus casting suspicion on players and teams with guys like Mookie Betts, Alex Bregman, and any club that Carlos Beltran played for...

[Elktonnick]

We'll probably never know the answer to that question, since Jeter played in an era -- and on a team -- when many players enhanced performances through chemistry; the issue was so prevalent that all players from that time are still suspects.

 

It was very similar to the current era -- when traditions were enhanced by technology -- and where the article that exposed the problem identified it as happening "everywhere" (thus casting suspicion on players and teams with guys like Mookie Betts, Alex Bregman, and any club that Carlos Beltran played for...

 

It is utter horse s*** to suggest that Jeter came about his salary as a player by unethical means

[notin]

It is utter horse s*** to suggest that Jeter came about his salary as a player by unethical means

 

He was a Yankee. That's unethical in my book...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

It is utter horse s*** to suggest that Jeter came about his salary as a player by unethical means

 

That's quite an opinion. I might counter using those same words to suggest that anyone in a particular era is not tainted or under suspicion by the culture in question.

[Elktonnick]

That's quite an opinion. I might counter using those same words to suggest that anyone in a particular era is not tainted or under suspicion by the culture in question.

The above statement makes absolutely no sense.

[cp176]

What a wonderful sophomoric and smug attitude You obviously have absolutely no understanding of economics. While not all rich are virtuous neither are all the poor. Many of the poor are so because of extremely poor choices on their part. Many of the rich are so because of some excellent choices on their part. BTW Did Derek Jeter come by his fortune unethically.

 

but but - we live in an era where wealthy people regardless of how they came by it, have to be dishonest cheats and should be willing to give what they have away. lol The only exception it seems is that anyone in the entertainment industry gets a free pass.

[a700hitter]

@peteabe

 

Sox are planning for a more full-time role with the MLB team for Jason Varitek. Still working that out.

Will they be stretching him out to see if he can fill the 5th spot in the rotation?