Mookie Betts and David Price have been traded to Dodgers

[Kimmi]

Really wish we could have gotten the Tampa analytics dept to come to Fenway.

 

Desperate Dave ran off all of our brightest and best and now all we have left are a few “D” players, a hand full of high school drop outs, a dozen developmentally challenged kids and a guy running the department who couldn’t get laid in a women’s prison!

 

No wonder Henry cheaped out and got them fake championship rings! Ouch!

 

Which is still way better than what the Yankees have accomplished!

[Kimmi]

We may ever see in this franchise going forward .You have the money you can trade other players .Become a legend overnight

 

No thank you.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm sure that Jax is very happy with Bloom being GM of the Red Sox and will extol Bloom's virtues loud and long. Bloom was the boss in Tampa Bay for 11 seasons and after walking around the stadium I realized that there are no flags flying there! They made one WS appearance in Bloom's first season in TB so it can be said that those weren't even his players. They won one more division championship two years later and were dispatched in 5 games in the ALDS by Texas. IOW other than that his first year the Rays didn't even appear in the WS during Bloom's tenure there.

 

Correction: Friedman was the Rays' head of baseball ops until being hired away by the Dodgers after the 2014 season.

[a700hitter]

Correction: Friedman was the Rays' head of baseball ops until being hired away by the Dodgers after the 2014 season.

Friedman was the star of the Ray FO. Bloom was their Cherington.

[notin]

We may ever see in this franchise going forward .You have the money you can trade other players .Become a legend overnight

 

You do realize which side has been more difficult when it comes to reaching an agreement?

[Kimmi]

He was perfectly reasonable. He said he wanted to test free agency to see what his worth was on the open market, and the owner in the best position to pay him that was JH. Now that we know JH values his bank account more than he values the best player in the league and probably the most popular player in Boston, we can act accordingly.

 

12 years $420 mil is not reasonable for Mookie. He is not Mike Trout, and that isn't even reasonable for Trout.

[jung]

Friedman was the star of the Ray FO. Bloom was their Cherington.

 

Now I am depressed!

 

You are of course correct. I just was not in the mood to be reminded.

[Kimmi]

It’d be worse if he backs out now.

 

Oh, it would be terrible if he backs out now, not only because of public perception, but what are Mookie and Price going to feel like being back with the Red Sox?

 

I don't see this deal not being completed.

 

The Dodgers are in a similar situation. They need this to get done.

[Kimmi]

Sox should have been more reasonable in their offer.

 

Ha.

[Kimmi]

Mostly laugh at the analogy...

 

^^^

[Kimmi]

300/10 is not reasonable for Betts. Pay him more!

 

Of course it's reasonable.

[jung]

Of course it's reasonable.

 

My numberS, MY NUMBERS for Mookie were 10/330 which likely translates in MLB terms to 10/360. Not a penny more, not a minute more and THAT IS AN OVERPAY IMO.

[Kimmi]

12/420??? Np way. That is ridiculously restrictive money for the business of baseball. Mookie IS NOT TROUT. Whether we like it or not, whoever owns the Red Soc would be working around that contract for over a decade.

 

Still and all, I don't like the idea that Mookie counter offered 10/300 with 12/420 and ...........we traded him. Just like that.

 

I completely agree with your first paragraph. Well said.

 

However, the Red Sox didn't trade Mookie "just like that". This is something that has been considered and reconsidered for several years now. The trade is not something the Sox would do lightly, despite all the media speculation to the contrary.

[Kimmi]

I guess you just don’t like good players.

 

Right, sensible people just don't like good players.

[jung]

I completely agree with your first paragraph. Well said.

 

However, the Red Sox didn't trade Mookie "just like that". This is something that has been considered and reconsidered for several years now. The trade is not something the Sox would do lightly, despite all the media speculation to the contrary.

 

By "just like that" I was referring to the fact that at least Mookie counter-offered. That should have been worth a counter from the Sox. By all accounts they did not counter but traded instead, errrrrr......tried to trade instead, errrrrrrr.......are in the middle of a trade instead, errrrrrr...........

[notin]

So your boss tells you "We don't think you're worth more than 75% of what others do." Your boss then, likely without consulting you, ships you off 3000 miles away for a year, not for your own good, but simply to save himself some money. After that year, your former boss says, "OK. Are you ready to talk now?" What would you do?

 

So your laughable claim is Mookie is being mistreated by the Red Sox, who are clearly showing they don’t appreciate him because they will not make him the highest paid athlete in the history of professional sports while also paying heavy league fines for no reason as well?

 

So are the Dodgers the team that respects and appreciates Betts in this scenario? The team saying “we want Mookie, but not enough to give up these unproven minor leaguers.” What do you think Mookie thinks about that? If your whole point is Mookie’s feelings, how do you suppose he’d answer the question “Hey Mookie, the Dodgers want you but want Gavin Lux more. What do you think? Also, same thing for Dustin May. Thoughts? Know what? They also won’t give up Keibert Ruiz for you despite his being blocked for the next five years. Does this feel like the respect you deserve? That the Dodgers value Keibert Ruiz as a backup catcher over you?”

[Kimmi]

Perhaps not as badly as the Red Sox want to get under the luxury tax threshold (and out from under some of the $96 million owed David Price).

 

If the deal fell through, it would be bad for both teams. Don't underestimate the Dodgers' need to get this done though. It's not only about getting Mookie, but they had other moving parts too, for which the deal falling through would not sit well.

[Kimmi]

A 13 year contract. Outstanding. How many dead years is that at the end.....3-4?

 

Or more.

[Kimmi]

At least you admit that the first 10 years would be worth it.

 

Nope.

[a700hitter]

This transaction has reflected very poorly on the Red Sox FO. It has been botched and now the Red Sox will be forced to get less than the weak package that was originally announced. They are now hanging out there as the desperate party — the motivated seller.

[Kimmi]

Trout’c contract has nothing to do with them sucking. That’s all.

 

Of course it does. Trout's contract greatly restricts the Angels in other areas.

[notin]

This transaction has reflected very poorly on the Red Sox FO. It has been botched and now the Red Sox will be forced to get less than the weak package that was originally announced. They are now hanging out there as the desperate party — the motivated seller.

 

Why do the Red Sox look bad here? The Twins were the ones trying to pawn off an injured pitcher.

 

And according to some reports, this deal falling apart has motivated a couple other teams to inquire about Mookie and, in some cases, Price...

[Kimmi]

I agree about the Maeda part for sure. Not getting the trade done makes the FO look rinky dink.

 

I would try to get the Dodgers to throw in a prospect as well.

[notin]

I would try to get the Dodgers to throw in a prospect as well.

 

I do wonder if Bloom wants Gonsolin. I can’t imagine the Dodgers balking there, unless they need to unload Maeda’s $3mill AAV to stay within their budget here...

[Kimmi]

I don't have an issue with building the farm. You just cannot go forward in the modern game with absolutely positively NOTHING down there. The rest of baseball knows it when you don't have anybody that can come up and play making league minimum which means you really don't have the means to fill in around the guys you are actually paying the big money. At that point MLB punishes you by making you overpay for middling talent, let alone prime players.

 

Either that or you get lucky enough to get into the situation the yankees were in with Chapman and you rake in a haul for the one player.

 

I just wish we would get somebody with a balanced approach. Lately we either end up with somebody totally into building the farm or somebody totally committed to using it up to the last man. Somebody in the middle would be a pleasant surprise.

 

I completely agree about the farm system. Bloom was brought in mostly to rebuild the farm, but I think, on the whole, he has a balanced approach. He will be balancing the short term goals with the long term goals.

[Kimmi]

My numberS, MY NUMBERS for Mookie were 10/330 which likely translates in MLB terms to 10/360. Not a penny more, not a minute more and THAT IS AN OVERPAY IMO.

 

Personally, I wouldn't do 10/300, but that's just me.

[harmony]

I would try to get the Dodgers to throw in a prospect as well.

And the Dodgers could ask the Red Sox to pay more of David Price's salary.

 

The Dodgers apparently did not veto the tentative deal.

[Kimmi]

By "just like that" I was referring to the fact that at least Mookie counter-offered. That should have been worth a counter from the Sox. By all accounts they did not counter but traded instead, errrrrr......tried to trade instead, errrrrrrr.......are in the middle of a trade instead, errrrrrr...........

 

I am glad they didn't counter.

 

Maybe the Sox heard Mookie's counter and saw the writing on the wall. No need to counter.

[jung]

I would try to get the Dodgers to throw in a prospect as well.

 

Said it early on....its on the Sox and Dodgers to recover this deal. I don't see other interested parties having much impact here. One unfortunate consequence of this mess is that if the actual trade particulars are accurate, everybody knows what the Sox and Dodgers were willing to do. I don't see how that plays to the Sox advantage. I still think this will end up being something the Sox and Dodgers work out. However, the Sox really don't have much leverage here.

 

On the bright side, players on teams have become somewhat minimally important. They play for the MLBPA now.

 

All by way of saying that in the old days the deal blowing up and the Sox having to take Mookie and Price back would have had some impact on the players involved. Mookie will go out and try to have a great year regardless of where he is. Price for his part might just be mouthier than normal in the press, alternately mouthing off and going silent enough to be his normal bound to be a jerk self.

 

It should not take much to get this done assuming both sides are still amenable. I have little doubt the Sox want to do this deal and I have little doubt that the Dodgers want to do the deal as well.

Edited February 9, 2020 by jung

[a700hitter]

Why do the Red Sox look bad here? The Twins were the ones trying to pawn off an injured pitcher.

 

And according to some reports, this deal falling apart has motivated a couple other teams to inquire about Mookie and, in some cases, Price...

I would be applauding our FO if they dumped an injured prospect for a rotation piece. The Twins don't look bad at all. Edited February 9, 2020 by a700hitter