Mookie Betts and David Price have been traded to Dodgers

[Bellhorn04]

What fans forget is that after 2018 the Red Sox front office said they'd like to keep all of Betts, Bogaerts and Sale but didn't think they could keep all 3 of them.

[moonslav59]

The choice was made before Bloom got there.

 

Of course, and DD saw the writing on the wall after '18.

 

No more propsect tardes were made.

 

No more big spending.

 

No deadline trades in 2019.

 

Bloom deserves a lot of blame for a bunch of bad choices, but yes, this was not his choice.

[moonslav59]

What fans forget is that after 2018 the Red Sox front office said they'd like to keep all of Betts, Bogaerts and Sale but didn't think they could keep all 3 of them.

 

The fact that it wasn't just Betts, but also half Price, no Porcello and no replacing their salaries for years, tells it all.

 

It wasn't, "We can do better with the $45M" (Betts and 1/2 Price,) it was "We ain't spending big for a while."

[Duran Is The Man]

The fact that it wasn't just Betts, but also half Price, no Porcello and no replacing their salaries for years, tells it all.

 

It wasn't, "We can do better with the $45M" (Betts and 1/2 Price,) it was "We ain't spending big for a while."

 

all i see is a greedy front office. i would not have had a problem with them trading just about anybody else but i think we all knew Mookie was a future HOFer and one of the greatest players ever to put on a Red Sox uniform. those kinda of players don't come around very often and when they do, you figure out a way to f***ing keep them. not trade them to the gotdamn Dodgers. i'm not about to boohoo for a greedy f***ing billionaire.

[moonslav59]

all i see is a greedy front office. i would not have had a problem with them trading just about anybody else but i think we all knew Mookie was a future HOFer and one of the greatest players ever to put on a Red Sox uniform. those kinda of players don't come around very often and when they do, you figure out a way to f***ing keep them. not trade them to the gotdamn Dodgers. i'm not about to boohoo for a greedy f***ing billionaire.

 

I don't blame you.

 

I think I suggested offering Mookie more than anyone I know ($400M/14,) so I totally agree.

 

It was a major blunder by JH & Co. I will never forgive him for that, but the 4 rings prevent me from calling for his replacement or calling him a bum.

 

If we don't win another ing for a while or get highly competitive, soon, my mind may change.

[jad]

You seriously think this was Bloom's idea to "make a mark?"

 

Well, since every other human I know who has gone into administration has tried to do that--put their stamp on the organization, 'make their mark'--then absolutely yes. I could rephrase what you just said "Do you seriously think Bloom was NOT trying to make a mark?" So yes, the Betts trade probably brought him more fame than anything else. (It was great to see the ovation Betts got; and especially good to see how much of it was coming from Red Sox players.)

Edited August 26, 2023 by jad

[moonslav59]

Well, since every other human I know who has gone into administration has tried to do that--put their stamp on the organization, 'make their mark'--then absolutely yes. I could rephrase what you just said "Do you seriously think Bloom was NOT trying to make a mark?" So yes, the Betts trade probably brought him more fame than anything else. (It was great to see the ovation Betts got; and especially good to see how much of it was coming from Red Sox players.)

 

Absolutely, no!

 

It's so obvious.

 

Like you profile photo, your hair must be in your eyes not to see what is clear.

[notin]

Well, since every other human I know who has gone into administration has tried to do that--put their stamp on the organization, 'make their mark'--then absolutely yes. I could rephrase what you just said "Do you seriously think Bloom was NOT trying to make a mark?" So yes, the Betts trade probably brought him more fame than anything else. (It was great to see the ovation Betts got; and especially good to see how much of it was coming from Red Sox players.)

 

1. Please name one MLB executive you know.

 

2. If Betts was a generational talent and a future Hall of Famer (which he is), he should have been extended before he had FIVE YEARS of service time. A player like that is extremely unlikely to sign anything with only one season left…

[Jasonbay44]

Fitting that Mookie is hurting the Sox tonight. At least they sent him to NL West So Sox will rarely see him

[jad]

1. Please name one MLB executive you know.

 

2. If Betts was a generational talent and a future Hall of Famer (which he is), he should have been extended before he had FIVE YEARS of service time. A player like that is extremely unlikely to sign anything with only one season left…

 

One of the bizzareries of sports boards is that the most bland and obvious statements (e.g., new employees try to do their jobs as best they can) are met with incomprehensible outrage and cryptic objections so subtle and abstruse only those who post two dozen times a day can understand them.

[Bellhorn04]

One of the bizzareries of sports boards is that the most bland and obvious statements (e.g., new employees try to do their jobs as best they can) are met with incomprehensible outrage and cryptic objections so subtle and abstruse only those who post two dozen times a day can understand them.

 

It is a somewhat heated point of debate as to who is to blame for trading Betts.

 

And it's obvious that we tend to pick sides with Red Sox executives just like we do with everything else.

 

The general consensus is that the decision to trade Mookie had to come from ownership, because they are the biggest stakeholders and we're talking about an enormously popular and talented player who commanded a massive, long-term contract.

 

But Bloom is the guy who pulled the trigger, so it's also natural that some are going to point to him as a culprit in the affair.

[moonslav59]

It is a somewhat heated point of debate as to who is to blame for trading Betts.

 

And it's obvious that we tend to pick sides with Red Sox executives just like we do with everything else.

 

The general consensus is that the decision to trade Mookie had to come from ownership, because they are the biggest stakeholders and we're talking about an enormously popular and talented player who commanded a massive, long-term contract.

 

But Bloom is the guy who pulled the trigger, so it's also natural that some are going to point to him as a culprit in the affair.

 

We don't really even know if Bloom was the one who "pulled the trigger." They might have forges his signature.

[notin]

It is a somewhat heated point of debate as to who is to blame for trading Betts.

 

And it's obvious that we tend to pick sides with Red Sox executives just like we do with everything else.

 

The general consensus is that the decision to trade Mookie had to come from ownership, because they are the biggest stakeholders and we're talking about an enormously popular and talented player who commanded a massive, long-term contract.

 

But Bloom is the guy who pulled the trigger, so it's also natural that some are going to point to him as a culprit in the affair.

 

Blaming Bloom is like blaming the Union privates for the Civil War. They didn’t send the orders. They weren’t even surround when it all started. But hey, they had guns with triggers…

[moonslav59]

Blaming Bloom is like blaming the Union privates for the Civil War. They didn’t send the orders. They weren’t even surround when it all started. But hey, they had guns with triggers…

 

It blows my mind to think someone can actually believe Bloom's thought process was basically this:

 

I want to make my mark on this team, immediately- like most GMs before me.

I think trading a generational talent who happens to be the most beloved Sox player in decades is a great idea.

I'll talk my basses into trading him by convincing them they can save a lot of money.

I'll even lessen our return value by insisting JH can put more money in his pocket by forcing LAD to take half Price, too.

I'm so happy I put my stamp on this team.

[notin]

It blows my mind to think someone can actually believe Bloom's thought process was basically this:

 

I want to make my mark on this team, immediately- like most GMs before me.

I think trading a generational talent who happens to be the most beloved Sox player in decades is a great idea.

I'll talk my basses into trading him by convincing them they can save a lot of money.

I'll even lessen our return value by insisting JH can put more money in his pocket by forcing LAD to take half Price, too.

I'm so happy I put my stamp on this team.

 

Once the 2019 season ended without Betts signed, he was hitting the market. No player even a tier or two less than his caliber extends after 5 years. Juan Soto wouldn’t extend during the fifth year. Manny Machado - not at all. Not for the Orioles. Not go out the Dodgers.

 

I would argue the crime was not having Betts locked up by then end of 2017 season. Once he absolutely destroyed MLB pitching throughout 2018 and ticked away some MVP hardware and was only two seasons from free agency and still young for that service time, he became very tough to sign…

[moonslav59]

Once the 2019 season ended without Betts signed, he was hitting the market. No player even a tier or two less than his caliber extends after 5 years. Juan Soto wouldn’t extend during the fifth year. Manny Machado - not at all. Not for the Orioles. Not go out the Dodgers.

 

I would argue the crime was not having Betts locked up by then end of 2017 season. Once he absolutely destroyed MLB pitching throughout 2018 and ticked away some MVP hardware and was only two seasons from free agency and still young for that service time, he became very tough to sign…

 

That does not fit their narrative. It has to be Bloom's fault, because DD brought us to the promiseland.

[Randy Red Sox]

As most of you know by now I don't cut Bloom much slack but his hands were really tied with Mookie. The blood belongs SOLELY on John Henry's hands.

It is a somewhat heated point of debate as to who is to blame for trading Betts.

 

And it's obvious that we tend to pick sides with Red Sox executives just like we do with everything else.

 

The general consensus is that the decision to trade Mookie had to come from ownership, because they are the biggest stakeholders and we're talking about an enormously popular and talented player who commanded a massive, long-term contract.

 

But Bloom is the guy who pulled the trigger, so it's also natural that some are going to point to him as a culprit in the affair.

[moonslav59]

As most of you know by now I don't cut Bloom much slack but his hands were really tied with Mookie. The blood belongs SOLELY on John Henry's hands.

 

He does NOT deserve slack on anything that was his doing. I agree on that.

 

I may apply more context to his record than you and others, but he deserves to be roasted for several choices made.

[jad]

It blows my mind to think someone can actually believe Bloom's thought process was basically this:

 

I want to make my mark on this team, immediately- like most GMs before me.

I think trading a generational talent who happens to be the most beloved Sox player in decades is a great idea.

I'll talk my basses into trading him by convincing them they can save a lot of money.

I'll even lessen our return value by insisting JH can put more money in his pocket by forcing LAD to take half Price, too.

I'm so happy I put my stamp on this team.

 

I don't really see anything in this post that a few weeks in a "Reading Comprehension" course or maybe 8 months in therapy shouldn't solve.

[notin]

One of the bizzareries of sports boards is that the most bland and obvious statements (e.g., new employees try to do their jobs as best they can) are met with incomprehensible outrage and cryptic objections so subtle and abstruse only those who post two dozen times a day can understand them.

 

So you’re saying you meant “Bloom was just trying to do his best” during the call that he traded Betts to put his stamp in the organization. Because I have to tell hou , when I read it felt like accusing the guy of putting his ego ahead of the team…

[notin]

I don't really see anything in this post that a few weeks in a "Reading Comprehension" course or maybe 8 months in therapy shouldn't solve.

 

When multiple people interpret your post the same way, the fault is likely not with the audience…

[notin]

As most of you know by now I don't cut Bloom much slack but his hands were really tied with Mookie. The blood belongs SOLELY on John Henry's hands.

 

I’m not putting it solely on Henry’s hands. I think Dombrowski is somewhat accountable for building a $240mill 84-win team that seemed to put the brakes on spending and for not locking Betts up much earlier…

[Bellhorn04]

I’m not putting it solely on Henry’s hands. I think Dombrowski is somewhat accountable for building a $240mill 84-win team that seemed to put the brakes on spending and for not locking Betts up much earlier…

 

The only way you can blame DD for not locking him up earlier is if you think DD had a lot of say in the size of the offers that were made. To me that's less likely than that Henry was the one determining that.

 

Nobody likes paying/overpaying elite talent more than DD.

[Bellhorn04]

I’m not putting it solely on Henry’s hands. I think Dombrowski is somewhat accountable for building a $240mill 84-win team that seemed to put the brakes on spending and for not locking Betts up much earlier…

 

We've been over this many times, but a sizable chunk of that $240 M payroll in 2019 consisted of players not acquired by DD.

Edited August 26, 2023 by Bellhorn04

[notin]

We've been over this many times, but the majority of that $240 M payroll in 2019 consisted of players not acquired by DD.

 

But the $300mill in future commitments covering 11 seasons to 3 oft-injured pitchers (whom totaled exactly 1 season of 110 IP to date) are all on DD…

[Bellhorn04]

But the $300mill in future commitments covering 11 seasons to 3 oft-injured pitchers (whom totaled exactly 1 season of 110 IP to date) are all on DD…

 

OK, but that's a different point.

[notin]

OK, but that's a different point.

 

Not to mention counting the arbitration salaries of Betts, Bradley, etc. as “not from DD” just because the players were already there is really not true…

[notin]

OK, but that's a different point.

 

Also it’s a very salient one. After the 2019 84-win, missed the postseason by a dozen games season, what was your outlook at the Sox future back then?

[notin]

The only way you can blame DD for not locking him up earlier is if you think DD had a lot of say in the size of the offers that were made. To me that's less likely than that Henry was the one determining that.

 

Nobody likes paying/overpaying elite talent more than DD.

 

Oh he absolutely likes overpaying. But if you can find the Sox Sign David Price in these board archives and waste precious life moments re-reading it, you’ll find one poster wishing he’d extended Betts instead of signing Price (and also hoping at a minimum, Price stayed healthy for 3 years and opted out)…

[dgalehouse]

Reading what Mookie said, he was surprised by the trade. He had still expected to sign with Boston. Bloom made the trade, so he has to be answerable for it. If Henry ordered him to trade Mookie, then Henry should own up to it and take the heat off Bloom. This was not just your ordinary bad trade. This was much worse.